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Old 04-02-2018, 01:21 PM
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Does my Colt MK IV 70 Govt. look factory engraved?

I recently purchased a Colt MK IV 70 Series Government that's engraved. The guy I bought it from was unsure of who engraved the gun. Does it look like factory engraving? Would it be worth getting the info through Colt archives?

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Old 04-02-2018, 04:30 PM
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No, not to me but I can't tell you why. I am not an expert...too much coverage maybe?
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Old 04-02-2018, 04:58 PM
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I'd say...yeah, no, maybe.
The scroll work looks like some I've seen that were factory engraved.
But then again an accomplished engraver could certainly mimic Colt's style.

Sometimes the boxes will have hand written notes on the end like 'full coverage' or what not. Do you have the box?
An archive letter is probably the only certain thing you can obtain that will prove yes or no.
If you do get it lettered and it does indeed confirm it's factory it will forever dispel anyone else's doubts should you decide to sell it.
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Old 04-02-2018, 07:05 PM
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I have never seen a factory-engraved Colt 1911 with the engraving done on matte-finished rounds like that. If it's full coverage the gun is normally given a full-polish Royal Blue on all surfaces. In addition the engraving itself looks a bit too simple to be from a Colt engraver. Not saying the gun doesn't look nice, because it does, but it's like no factory Colt I've ever known of.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:11 PM
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I agree that the engraving looks simpler than most Colt's. The base of the magazine is engraved and the frame is marked "H20". Perhaps this the engraver's signature?
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:42 PM
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Given that we are opining and I am feeling a bit whimsical, perhaps H20 is shorthand for the engravers name. Water/Waters.
Nice looking pistol BTW.
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Old 04-03-2018, 11:00 PM
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Colt had four levels of engraving; A B C D and I think D was fully engraved. Like the others I believe it is a copy of the Colt style. We do have an excellent engraver who posts his work here occasionally. He will likely have a professional opinion on it.

I personally love your pistol and the ivory (?) grips will really go well with it. Everyone should have a BBQ handgun.
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Old 04-03-2018, 11:17 PM
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Thanks guys. Unfortunately, I don't think the grips are ivory.

I'd love to get an idea of who engraved it.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:37 AM
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Not a typical Colt Style

The pattern is very wide which is a method used to cover a large surface quickly. Not a typical Colt technique. If a Colt Master did the work, they would have signed the work under the grips. BTW, the grips do appear to be appear but photos can be deceiving.
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Old 04-04-2018, 01:04 PM
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They look like real ivory to me, are there schreger lines at the ends? Herring bone cris- crossing lines?
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:24 PM
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They look like real ivory to me, are there schreger lines at the ends? Herring bone cris- crossing lines?
I took off the grips briefly and didn't see any lines. There aren't any markings on them.

I'm thinking about taking off the grips and taking them into a high-end antique shop near me to see if they're ivory. If they are, don't I need some sort of documentation to prove they're legal?
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:28 PM
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Sorry to say but I can attest than your Colt is not factory engraved.

I have been collecting engraved Colts for more than two decades (I am an Official Colt International Distributor) and my brother is one of the finest gun engravers in Europe so I can say a little word about engraved Colts.
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:44 PM
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Ehhh you don't know anything!

Just kidding lol. I think you're right. The engraving is well done but not quite good enough or as detailed as factory engraving.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:39 AM
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ian6161, look at the "ends" of the grips (easiest to see on the bottom of the grip) in bright light, if there are kriss crossing lines, it's real ivory. Sure looks like ivory to me.
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