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Old 02-05-2008, 06:06 AM
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1911 Grip screw size?




Anyone know what the official size of the grip screws are? I did a quick measure and they came out at - 4mm thread body, 6mm length and a .50 pitch thread. I measured them with my calipers and got - .255 L x .145 O.D. thread body. (Not exactly 4 & 6 mm.)

Are they actually metric, (which strikes me as a bit odd) or some other standard that I'm not familiar with?
A trivial subject I know, but any info on them is impossible to find.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:56 PM
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They are not metric. The original specification is ".150"-50 NS-2". The exceptions are the Chinese built guns, from what I read, and possibly Filipino built guns?
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:17 PM
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Grip screw threads for Norincos are the same as listed above. The grip screw bushings' exterior threads are metric however.
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Old 02-06-2008, 01:08 AM
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Wow, tis not your average screw, no wonder they're $o hard to find. Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:19 AM
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beware ebay screws, I bought 12 of them in SS with slotted heads and sent 7 back, they were not machined in the head area.
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Old 02-06-2008, 04:29 PM
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Wow, tis not your average screw, no wonder they're $o hard to find. Thanks.
In a large scale manufacturing setting there is not very much special about them.
#2 screws are normally 56 TPI, and while slightly harder to make than coarser threads they still get crancked out pretty easily.

Screw machines have been around a long time.
The price is driven more by volume than anything else.
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Old 02-07-2008, 05:16 AM
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In a large scale manufacturing setting there is not very much special about them.
#2 screws are normally 56 TPI, and while slightly harder to make than coarser threads they still get crancked out pretty easily.

Screw machines have been around a long time.
The price is driven more by volume than anything else.
Right, you can buy a pack of # 00 eyeglass screws for .99c at the drug store.

With the help of the internet, including this forum, I compiled and simplified some basic info for the "grip screw challenged" types like myself that I believe is correct.

Grip screw type/designation:
0.150 - 50 UNS - 2A

Shaft diameter:
.150

Shaft length:
.255

Thread pitch:
50 threads per inch.

Head Diameter:
.275

Nomenclature:

"50 UNS" = 50 threads per inch, Unified National Special thread profile.

"2A" = The Class Fit, amount of tolerance or tolerance and allowance specified.

The UNS series is a catch-all category for threads which have the American Standard form, but whose pitches are not in the Unified National Coarse (UNC) or Unified National Fine (UNF) series.


Feel free to correct as needed.

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Old 02-07-2008, 11:32 AM
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And I would add that ordnance spec is for them to be case hardened to "file hardness", though I haven't seen the carburizing depth, it wouldn't be more than 3-5 thousandths I wouldn't think. Most of what comes on new 1911's is soft, either 12L14 or 416 stainless or perhaps 303. Ignorant buyers invite such adulteration by not demanding original specification parts or at least an explanation of why what they offer is better. The original screws should be very cheap to manufacture. 416 can be hardened to around 40RC I think, for stainless screws.
We don't make screws so I don't know what the problems are. People complain about hex sockets stripping, assuming one wanted hex socket screws they certainly could be hardened.
To be honest I haven't checked the hardness of the stainless screws on one of my guns, but I know for fact that wartime 1911 screws were file hard at the surface.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:23 PM
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Screws

Try a canadian sight called marstar, they have both metric and non metric screws
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Screws

Yikes. I posted 8-40 earlier because the gun I have uses 8-40 it's a commander with custom grips. Could be custom bushings because I found this image.
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good info. I guess I will have to continue monitoring this thread for the next few decades.
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I can not understand how any one can own a 1911, pick up tools on purpose and not own A copy of Jerry Kuhnhausen or some other publication with specs that have been around for 100 years. If you can afford the gun you really should consider a $33 book. Trusting internet info can take you places with expensive return tickets.
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"Grip screw size = .150-50 UNS-2A". Yes, that's fine, as far as it goes - but do you know how to calculate the tap drill size, in case you want to make grip screw bushings? It's .130 inch, which isn't a standard "numbered" drill size. Your best choice would be 3.3 mm, which is very close.

If you know the major diameter (in this case, .150 inch) and the number of threads per inch, you can calculate the optimum tap drill size (which is close to the screw's [I]minor diameter[I]), for any standard or special UN thread.

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good info. I guess I will have to continue monitoring this thread for the next few decades.
Not this thread. Re-opening a thread that's been dormant for 8 years is a violation of Forum rules. Thread closed.
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