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Old 04-07-2019, 11:55 PM
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The only downside to carrying a polymer pistol is it so hard to pistol whip someone.
1911 full size for those who like to get close and personal.
My EDC is a full size all steel 1911 in 10mm for the purpose of not letting the bad guy get close enough to have to pistol whip him. The only reason for that would be that you ran out of ammunition and had to use your pistol as a club. I carry 5 spare magazines, so problem solved.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:03 AM
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Iím the opposite, I tried to make ďmodernĒ guns work but they would all print...
Full sized 1911 in .45 ACP has a longer grip than a full sized Glock, and they are of about equal thickness, depending on Glock's caliber and 1911's grips. How do you find "modern" guns pring but 1911 not?
I am yet to see someone carry a full sized 1911 concealed that doesn't telegraph itself out, unless there is a heavy jacket outer garment over it, and even then. I just shot a big match out of town in a T-shirt weather place, and watching people walk around my hotel with stuff printing was comical
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:39 AM
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Most everybody creates their opinions based on what they read in a book or what they think looks cool on television. And their experience is limited to just that. A very small percentage of people have “real” experience.

I’ve been a police Officer for over 20 years and have seen everything imaginable, first-hand. I’ve been in 3 shootings.

The only thing that matters is being able to hit your target. It don’t matter if it’s a plastic gun or a 1911. It don’t matter whether it’s 45 or 9mm. Aim for center mass or the head. Hit your target before they hit you and go home alive.

Carry what you shoot best and make the other guy pay with his life.

And after several years of research, I find Federal HST to be King.

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Old 04-08-2019, 02:21 AM
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I quit after a spill on the wet ramp of a Bradley fighting vehicle left me with sciatic nerve damage at 30. From there I shifted to appendix and to 40 and then 9mm.

I get faster accurate strings and would rather get several fast hits COM.

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Old 04-08-2019, 04:20 AM
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I was weened on my Dadís Colt Government 45 growing up. The first handgun I ever bought was a Glock 19 (because I could afford it). I bought a Colt Commander when I started making better money. In the following years, Iíve carried various handguns from 1911ís to Glocks to Kahrs to HK, etc, etc. I always come back to the 1911.
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:52 AM
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Went back to wheelguns for carry guns about three years ago. Either the SP101 .357 or the Classic Bulldog .44.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:42 AM
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Full sized 1911 in .45 ACP has a longer grip than a full sized Glock, and they are of about equal thickness, depending on Glock's caliber and 1911's grips. How do you find "modern" guns pring but 1911 not?
I am yet to see someone carry a full sized 1911 concealed that doesn't telegraph itself out, unless there is a heavy jacket outer garment over it, and even then. I just shot a big match out of town in a T-shirt weather place, and watching people walk around my hotel with stuff printing was comical
In my opinion, if you cant understand how a 1911 is easier to conceal over a Glock 17, you haven't tried.

The Block has squared corners on the slide and a much thicker grip on the edges, especially the rear edge. These are the places where the Glock prints more for me, and even worse so with the Glock 21.

A 1911 stays slimmer and, better yet, a bobtail frame conceals much like a smaller gun for me. I've started carrying a CCO and, despite an overall height around that of a Glock 19, it conceals much closer to a Glock 26... for me.

I wonder if at your match most of those folk printing knew they were at a big match with a bunch of other gunnies and just didnt care?

Edit: I should qualify that while I've only CCW'd for 10 years now, most of those years have been daily carrying a Glock 17 or 1911, so I've gone over the comparison in my own setup over and over and over.

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Old 04-08-2019, 07:36 AM
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I wonder if at your match most of those folk printing knew they were at a big match with a bunch of other gunnies and just didnt care?
True to some extent but those were observations at the hotel and restaurants, so public areas. In my observations, a large segment of CCW crowd has made a shift from true concealment (old concealed means concealed adage) to just covering the bulge. People stand in front of a mirror, snap a selfie and call it good, without checking what happens in motion and with activities.

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In my opinion, if you cant understand how a 1911 is easier to conceal over a Glock 17, you haven't tried.

Yeah, I've carried both extensively, and neither is my choice for a true concealment. I've been nearly made out in a non-permissive environment carrying a G17. It should be noted that I carry AIWB, but I've done quite a bit of conventional IWB and observed quite a bit of that too.
The length of 1911's grip alone (full sized, that is) creates protruding point, on some worse than others, depending on body size and carry position. Once something protrudes, the outer garment just lays on that protrusion. Not only one can see grip protruding, you can trace the backstrap where clothing creates a ledge. Beavertail is another sticking-out point, although this is more body dependent.
Fair point about the Glock though. All of my double stack Glocks have rear of their slides rounded, and I've gone from tall, larger rear sights like Heinie's to smaller in-dovetail sights like Ameriglo. Helps a bit but slimline Glocks, the 43x and 48, are growing on me. I initially thought of them as a failed effort to compete with P365 but I am changing my opinion.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:58 AM
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True to some extent but those were observations at the hotel and restaurants, so public areas. In my observations, a large segment of CCW crowd has made a shift from true concealment (old concealed means concealed adage) to just covering the bulge. People stand in front of a mirror, snap a selfie and call it good, without checking what happens in motion and with activities.



Yeah, I've carried both extensively, and neither is my choice for a true concealment. I've been nearly made out in a non-permissive environment carrying a G17. It should be noted that I carry AIWB, but I've done quite a bit of conventional IWB and observed quite a bit of that too.
The length of 1911's grip alone (full sized, that is) creates protruding point, on some worse than others, depending on body size and carry position. Once something protrudes, the outer garment just lays on that protrusion. Not only one can see grip protruding, you can trace the backstrap where clothing creates a ledge. Beavertail is another sticking-out point, although this is more body dependent.
Fair point about the Glock though. All of my double stack Glocks have rear of their slides rounded, and I've gone from tall, larger rear sights like Heinie's to smaller in-dovetail sights like Ameriglo. Helps a bit but slimline Glocks, the 43x and 48, are growing on me. I initially thought of them as a failed effort to compete with P365 but I am changing my opinion.
Good points.

I will also note that I do not carry behind the hip as most seem to, I carry in front of the hip (2 oclock) and have fewer draping issues unless I'm contorting in some strange way that certainly would hurt my back.

Conceals best for me and I find it more comfortable, except for when i tried to carry a BHP and its ribs massacring spur hammer.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:27 AM
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:43 AM
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I haven't "stopped carrying" my 1911-pattern old Colt CCO, but I do carry it less as I get older, in favor of a lighter weight Glock 26.

It's purely a matter of practical comfort; although the CCO carries "flatter", it definitely does weigh more, even with a proper, tightly-cinched belt.

NO other sidearm has the superior trigger of a well set-up 1911.

Few sidearms have its "character" or design-attraction IMNSHO, but CCW practiced all-day, every-day involves tolerating a balance of thickness-bulk-weight of the carried gun vs. ease of use, accuracy-precision, ammunition capacity and of course reliability of the carried gun, and over time I'm just less willing to put up with the weight of the 1911, in spite of its innately-greater personal appeal.

(Even when not carrying it, though, I do take it out and admire it regularly, of course, and practice with it from time to time.)

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Old 04-08-2019, 09:40 AM
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Full sized 1911 in .45 ACP has a longer grip than a full sized Glock, and they are of about equal thickness, depending on Glock's caliber and 1911's grips. How do you find "modern" guns pring but 1911 not?
I am yet to see someone carry a full sized 1911 concealed that doesn't telegraph itself out, unless there is a heavy jacket outer garment over it, and even then. I just shot a big match out of town in a T-shirt weather place, and watching people walk around my hotel with stuff printing was comical
Because I use a compact round butt 1911, you know that man lol! I donít CC fullsize guns and if I was going to carry a fullsize frame it would be bobtailed so again the size is lowered. Or itís winter and I have a coat and then I go to my Shadow since screw t why not, still doesnít print as bad as a G17 though.

The key difference between even a bob tailed commander and a G19 is the physical shape of the grip and I am sure you know this, the 1911s with beveled grips and rounding treatments simply do not project as far away from you are the square printmatic end of a glock or sig320.

You also know me well enough to know how much I value real concealment and that includes moving around and not having any print. The blocky guns fail that for me when I turn or bend.

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Old 04-08-2019, 09:43 AM
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In my opinion, if you cant understand how a 1911 is easier to conceal over a Glock 17, you haven't tried.

The Block has squared corners on the slide and a much thicker grip on the edges, especially the rear edge. These are the places where the Glock prints more for me, and even worse so with the Glock 21.

A 1911 stays slimmer and, better yet, a bobtail frame conceals much like a smaller gun for me. I've started carrying a CCO and, despite an overall height around that of a Glock 19, it conceals much closer to a Glock 26... for me.

I wonder if at your match most of those folk printing knew they were at a big match with a bunch of other gunnies and just didnt care?

Edit: I should qualify that while I've only CCW'd for 10 years now, most of those years have been daily carrying a Glock 17 or 1911, so I've gone over the comparison in my own setup over and over and over.
This. My compact 1911 carries and prints effectively the same as my 26 but with better handling and more power, not counting the comped 26 I have naturally.......that one is a more fair comparison and shoots about the same and carries lighter but is not as reliable or accurate.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:49 AM
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The G48 and 43x are so good since they are the size of a compact 1911 almost to the letter in actual bulk on the beltline. I as you know loved both but would never chose one over a same size 1911 for reasons you also know well.
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:10 AM
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Most everybody creates their opinions based on what they read in a book or what they think looks cool on television. And their experience is limited to just that. A very small percentage of people have ďrealĒ experience.

Iíve been a police Officer for over 20 years and have seen everything imaginable, first-hand. Iíve been in 3 shootings.

The only thing that matters is being able to hit your target. It donít matter if itís a plastic gun or a 1911. It donít matter whether itís 45 or 9mm. Aim for center mass or the head. Hit your target before they hit you and go home alive.

Carry what you shoot best and make the other guy pay with his life.

And after several years of research, I find Federal HST to be King.
I think this works for me.
I've been carrying a Glock 19 for years now, but don't shoot it incredibly well.
Just got a DW ECP, and it's ridiculous how much tighter my groups got.

So once I put a few hundred more rounds through it, and feel comfortable with the reliability, the glock goes to the safe.
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:28 AM
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I've been carrying (.45 acp/10mm/.45 super) concealed 1911's
for decades, and I thought I would never change, but I have.

I shot a friend's Springfield XDM compact 9mm, and found that
I shoot it better, faster and more consistently than my 1911's,
and with HST 147 gr +P JHP's there's plenty of SD power, and
it carries better too, (and 13+1).

I feel a little like a "traitor", but I still own 14 nice 1911's which
I have no intention of parting with, but man, what the hell.
Have you shot a Colt Defender 9 or 45 , if not you need to try one .
It has the real feel 1911 in your hands and with the 3' barrel it's easy to hide and very reliable .
At least you won't feel like a "traitor' , lol .
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Full sized 1911 in .45 ACP has a longer grip than a full sized Glock, and they are of about equal thickness, depending on Glock's caliber and 1911's grips. How do you find "modern" guns pring but 1911 not?
I am yet to see someone carry a full sized 1911 concealed that doesn't telegraph itself out, unless there is a heavy jacket outer garment over it, and even then. I just shot a big match out of town in a T-shirt weather place, and watching people walk around my hotel with stuff printing was comical
Because I use a compact round butt 1911, you know that man lol!
Signs of early senility on my part, bud. I thought you were rocking a full sized with a comp.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:18 PM
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A 5" 1911-A1, fully loaded, is a heavy handgun; easy to conceal, but heavy.

I have gone for a Sig P239 .40 S&W to a Springfield Armory EMP 3 9MM for urban carry. My EMP 3 is complete reliable and extremely accurate.

My Springfield Armory TRP .45 ACP is my wilderness carry handgun. In a good quality holster on a good quality gun belt, a 5" 1911-A1 is extremely easy and comfortable to carry while back country trout fishing.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:20 PM
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Signs of early senility on my part, bud. I thought you were rocking a full sized with a comp.
Oh, hell no lol! I canít fully hide a compact with a square magwell yet alone a fullsize frame, plus the barrel gets really long and hard to draw at that point. Plus prone to poke things
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Old 04-08-2019, 03:35 PM
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I compete with and carry Glocks. I also compete with 1911s and have one that is designated as my carry 1911 though I haven't carried it for a while. I have put forth the time and energy to become as proficient as I can be with both types of gun, and continue working hard on my skills.

Soon I'll get my first 2011. I'll never carry one of those, nor would most people.
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I compete with and carry Glocks. I also compete with 1911s and have one that is designated as my carry 1911 though I haven't carried it for a while. I have put forth the time and energy to become as proficient as I can be with both types of gun, and continue working hard on my skills.

Soon I'll get my first 2011. I'll never carry one of those, nor would most people.
Why not? Depending on the frame you pick itís the same size as a G19 or 17 with less rake to the grip an a thinner slide area.

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Over the years I have tried all the others....don't care for them...will always stick
to my 1911's....diehard!
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:30 AM
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Have you shot a Colt Defender 9 or 45 , if not you need to try one .
It has the real feel 1911 in your hands and with the 3' barrel it's easy to hide and very reliable .
At least you won't feel like a "traitor' , lol .
I have a Colt 3" (light weight) Defender, and yes it does carry nicely, but
it only has 7+1 and I shoot the XDM (13+1) 9mm Compact better.

Also, the HST 147 gr +P JHP's have plenty of power...
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Old 04-09-2019, 09:53 AM
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I carry a 642 revolver in my pocket, I do have 2 lightweight Commanders that I plan to carry in a holster. I also have a G19 but the Commanders aren't any larger than the Glock except the handle is about a half in longer and the Commander has a safety. One of the Commanders shoots .45s I bought a Ruger LC9 but it doesn't work as a pocket gun due to the shape and it's a little heavier than the 642.
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:27 AM
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I always have a full size steel frame 1911 with me, usually not ďon meĒ, but definitely with me. However, my most carried guns are either a Sig 365, a Glock 43, a Glock 36, or a STI subcompact 1911.
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