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Old 02-13-2019, 11:56 AM
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Tumbling before or after decap?

Gents,
Progressing with my new hobby slowly. Finally have 200 rounds under my belt with the new Competition 45 and am experimenting with reloading once fired brass that I just shot and also new Starline brass.

Was hoping for thoughts on the best way to start the process for once fired. I just decapped 200 rounds using my RCBS decap and sizer die and was getting ready to tumble in my Hornady tumbler with a mix of crushed walnuts, corncob and some Nufinish/mineral spirits. Iíve been reading some older posts about 2 schools of thought regarding deacapping before or after tumbling. My concern is that I decapped using the 2 in one RCBS die and that I ran dirty brass through it while decapping and apparently sizing the case. The other concern Iíve read is the media getting stuck in the flashole during tumbling.

Any consensus as to the best way to do it? And should I deep clean my die if I was wrong?

Thanks!

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Old 02-13-2019, 12:04 PM
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I have been loading for about ten years.

Decapping fired cases prior to tumbling has never been an issue for me, I generally do not do it. Getting cleaning media stuck in the charge hole can be a PITA. You just have to clean your dies once in a while.

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Old 02-13-2019, 12:08 PM
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Thanks man. Started to think about it and then overly think about it lol. Both schools made sense....
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:11 PM
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I use a Lee decapping die that only pops the primer then tumble and then when you size as normal if there was any media in the flash hole the sizer die will poke it out with the decapper pin. I always decap my brass first but my dad made a magnetic wet tumbler so even the primer pockets come out spotless.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:18 PM
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I thought about getting the FA Hand Deprimer myself for exactly that reason.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:36 PM
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I decap after tumbling and have not had a problem after 50k rounds.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:45 PM
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I tumble first. I'm not going to run dirty cases into my dies, even if it's only to decap. YMMV
This is like whether to leave the toilet seat up or down, it's your call and either way works.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:48 PM
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Do you gents then tumble again after the process to remove any lube for a final cleaning?
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:52 PM
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I just tumbled about 2000 45 shells yesterday.
Personally, I always leave the primers in.

I dry tumble in the big Dillon with corn/walnut/polish/charcoal lighter fluid and a couple used dryer sheets.
Separate using a fish-diving nylon mesh bag. I used to have the Dillon squirrel cage but it takes up so much space. The mesh bag is so simple and elegant.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:56 PM
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Do you gents then tumble again after the process to remove any lube for a final cleaning?
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I don't tumble post-loading.
I use a different method that some members here frowned upon. But I have a bunch of prizes and trophies that says it works.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:00 PM
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Liking the idea of the mesh...
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:42 PM
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I use the Lee Universal depriming die first to keep my dies clean then I tumble. Part of my process of putting them in the bin afterwards is to flip them over an inspect the flash hole with a toohpick in hand. I'd say about 1 or 2 will have a piece of media wedged in the flash hole out of the batch. I now mostly wet tumble now and rarely dry tumble anymore.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:50 PM
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Been reloading for 28 years. All handgun brass gets tumbled before I put them through a die. No need to tumble again, since I use carbide dies and no lube.

With rifle brass, I'll tumble again after resizing to remove any lube.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:56 PM
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Probably not many that use my method. I dry tumble and then size/decap followed by wet tumbling. The initial dry tumble keeps my dies clean and the wet tumbling cleans everything including the flash holes.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:19 PM
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Tumble first to clean the cases then run them through the whole reloading sequence, no tumbling after. Been doing it this way for over 40 years.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:00 PM
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Thanks gents. So it appears it’s just a matter of choice and how much extra time needed to check the flashole/primer pocket. Think I’ll try the next time to keep my dies as clean as possible since I use the decap/sizer die from RCBS.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:23 PM
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Decap then wet tumble

I'll sit down with an ice cream pail full of spent brass and decap with one of these:
https://harveydeprimer.com/
Then it's off to the wet tumbler. I don't care for all the burned powder & debris on/in my press & dies. YMMV
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:33 PM
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Using dry media, not much point in decapping first, it really does not clean the primer pocket all that well. If you wet tumble with SS pins, the come out cleaner. But if you want to decap first, get a universal decapping die, they are cheap. Just don't forget to run them through the sizing die.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:42 PM
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I hear ya on not having the dust and debris in the press. That’s my main issue. I’m debating between the Frankford Arsenal and that one—saw them both.

When I was researching tumbling before making the purchase, I originally set out to go wet with the pins. I changed at the last minute because of a lot of posts on this forum and accurateshooter, the high road, etc, that said sometimes the wet cleaned “too well” when it came to 45acp. A whole helluva lot of them said they actually prefer a little carbon left in the mouth and that it helped with seating.

Urban myth? If so, I’ll dry tumble till I get more proficient at reloading and then maybe make the switch or do both....
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:39 PM
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It all depends on how you do it. I decap then wet tumble. They look new, primer pockets and all. I add a tsp or 2 of Armour all wash and wax to little bucket of hot rinse water and let them soak a few minutes before drying... they run through a sizing die like they are lubed and don't tarnish (ever). No extra lube, no cleaning off lube, just new looking brass that loads like it should.

Overkill? Maybe but I load in the house and don't like bringing in anything that's dirty. Plus there is a satisfaction of having all my brass look brand new.

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Old 02-13-2019, 08:51 PM
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I just started loading on a progressive and seems to me it would add an unnecessary step to the process by decapping first, cleaning then loading.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:05 PM
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I tumble them size/decap. If I have some nasty range brass then it gets sized/decapped then a citric acid bath before tumbling.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:45 PM
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I tumble before resizing and decapping, but I know some who resize and decap first. They don't seem to have too much trouble.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:39 PM
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I tumble before sizing and decapping and then tumble after loading to remove lube. Yes, I lube even with carbide dies. It just lets a progressive press run a little smoother.
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Old 02-14-2019, 03:15 AM
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Generally speaking, if one's tumbling method doesn't clean a primer pocket, there's no point in decapping (exposing the primer pocket) before tumbling. Dry tumbling rarely, if ever, removes all the debris from an exposed primer pocket. So there's little point to decapping before dry tumbling. For bottle-neck cases that require other case prep work, and if a case prep center is used, it often can make logistical sense to decap before trumbling so that a brush on the prep center can clean the primer pockets.

If one wants to decap before tumbling, there are "Universal Decapping Dies" available at low cost that decap without sizing. One die will handle every caliber except perhaps the largest of cases, eg 338LM, 50BMG. Those require a larger, slightly more expensive die. That larger die will also decap the smallest calibers.

IMO, and others may feel differently, fired straight-wall pistol cases that will not be lubed that land on clean surfaces (ie no sand, dirt, grass, etc) can be sized without cleaning them. No harm will be done to dies and the carbon can actually serve as a lubricant.

Straight-walled pistol cases do not need lube when using carbide dies. However, some lube does make resizing easier. There are lubes that do not have to be removed, eg Hornady One-Shot Case Lube.

Bottle-neck cases require lube, and many folks feel the best lubes are wax, eg, Imperial or Hornady's Unique. This lube should be removed after sizing, trimming, and any other case prep work required. Tumbling (a second time) is IMO the easiest way to do that.
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