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Old 06-18-2018, 03:54 PM
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Federal 9mm 147gr HST in Clear Ballistics Gel



Test Gun: Sig P229, Kahr MK9.
Barrel length: 3.9, 3 inches.
Ammunition: Federal 9mm 147gr HST.
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: PACT 1 XP with inferred sky screens.
Five shot velocity average: 967, 916fps
Gel Temperature 71 degrees.


This is the fourth installment and probably last with the 9mm HST line. Here is a link to the other 9mm HST rounds I tested.

http://www.general-cartridge.com/blo...ballistics-gel

http://www.general-cartridge.com/blo...ballistics-gel

http://www.general-cartridge.com/blo...ballistics-gel

I got an average velocity of 967fps out of the P229 with a high of 975fps and a low of 953fps.




I switch back to my Kahr for the short barrel testing and got an average velocity of 916fps with a high of 929fps and a low of 893fps.



In the bare gel, out the P229 the first round had a velocity of 966fps and penetrated to 15.25 inches and had a recovered diameter of .67 inches. Round two hit at a velocity of 976fps expanded to .65 inches and also penetrated to 15.25 inches.



In heaving clothing covered gel, the first round had a velocity of 976fps, penetrated to 19 inches and expanded to .65 inches. The second round had a velocity of 962fps expanded to .62 inches and penetrated to 16.25 inches.



Out of the Kahr in the bare gel, the first round hit at a velocity of 922fps, penetrated to 16.25 inches and expanded to .65 inches. round two traveled at a velocity of 914fps, also penetrated to 16.25 inches and expanded to .63 inches.

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Old 06-18-2018, 05:37 PM
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Very nice testing as usual, this is again why HSTs are liked so much. Personally I perfer the 124+p version of this round since it expands slightly more and penetrates slightly more and has more energy. My issue with the 147s has always been just how slow/low powered they are relative to the 124s but they do have much lower recoil so that's a plus.

The 124s feel a lot like a .40 but then again perform closer to one in practice.
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:02 PM
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Nice test, thanks for sharing the results. This is why my carry ammo is HST's as well, although in 9mm I like to stay with those 147's you show here.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:16 PM
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I'm in process of deciding whether 124gr HST or 147gr HST (both standard; not +p) is best for a carry/SD load in a S&W Shield. Or at least best for me. Have not decided yet, which probably means both are good choices.

So this excellent testing/thread is most appreciated. Thank You!

(I occasionally -- only occasionally -- carry a Shield in those situations when a 1911 feels a bit too large).
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:01 PM
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I'm in process of deciding whether 124gr HST or 147gr HST (both standard; not +p) is best for a carry/SD load in a S&W Shield. Or at least best for me. Have not decided yet, which probably means both are good choices.

So this excellent testing/thread is most appreciated. Thank You!

(I occasionally -- only occasionally -- carry a Shield in those situations when a 1911 feels a bit too large).
I would say use the 147s........I know I just said I like the 124s BUT I have them loaded in larger guns like a CZ Shadow and SP-01. I have used both in a shield and I found the 147s easier to run fast by a good margin.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:15 PM
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147 HST is my carry round.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:50 PM
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Excellent post, as usual. IMHO, the Federal 147 HST standard velocity is the best subsonic round made today. While survival is the ultimate goal of any self defense situation requiring an armed response, it requires accurate and rapid shot placement to neutralize the threat. Putting rounds on target quickly is not difficult with this easy to control, excellent performing, relatively low cost round (especially when purchased in 50-round box configuration).

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Old 06-19-2018, 05:39 AM
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Nice test, thanks for sharing the results. This is why my carry ammo is HST's as well, although in 9mm I like to stay with those 147's you show here.
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I carry the 147's in a Kahr CM9.
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:00 AM
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Just ordered 150 rounds this morning from Bone Frog Gun Club. $0.43 per round including shipping. Will be here Friday since they shipped it out the same day. Great price on a great self-defense round.
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Old 06-19-2018, 11:43 AM
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What was it that Beer-Guy said: "I don't often shoot 9mm (or use it for SD). But when I do, I shoot HST 147+P."----Stay thirsty my friends!

HST 230 (standard) is my favorite in 45 too.


Great write-up 5pins!
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Thanks for posting. My current HST’s are the 124 non +P but my next purchase will be switching me to 147’s.
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Old 06-19-2018, 03:56 PM
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147 HST is my carry round.
One of my department's issued rounds.
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Old 06-19-2018, 04:18 PM
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While still undecided, I'm leaning towards the 147gr HST for my purposes (described earlier). Slightly unfortunate, I did purchase just as much of the 124gr HST ammo ... But that's (shooting it) the only good way to learn what feels best to a specific person/gun combination.

+1911 for each of you who've contributed your thoughts/experiences on the subject. Which tend to confirm my initial impressions from one trip to the range.

Much appreciated.
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:13 PM
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Nothing wrong with the 124gr. By all accounts, the HSTs all work equally well in the various tests I've seen. Keep the 124gr for summer use and switch to the 147gr for the colder months.
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Old 06-29-2018, 02:44 PM
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Thanks for the info:

After years of research, I carry 147 gr HST in all my 9mm's. 230 gr HST in my 45's.

Regarding 124 gr HST vs. 147 gr HST, You can't go wrong with either.

I prefer the ballistics of standard pressure, not +P.
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Thanks for the info:

After years of research, I carry 147 gr HST in all my 9mm's. 230 gr HST in my 45's.

Regarding 124 gr HST vs. 147 gr HST, You can't go wrong with either.

I prefer the ballistics of standard pressure, not +P.
FWIW, I agree with you completely.
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And what do the bullets look like after hitting at an odd angle , passing thru heavy clothing , striking bone , fat , muscle , cartilage , and other variables?
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I use a PT709 Taurus as my carry gun. It's loaded either with the 147gr HSTs or handloads of 147 gr XTPs. Both are proven performers and I prefer having that extra mass. I load with power pistol for the XTPs has its the most accurate load for my 9mm. The HST's are just accurate out of the box.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:35 PM
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And what do the bullets look like after hitting at an odd angle , passing thru heavy clothing , striking bone , fat , muscle , cartilage , and other variables?
FBI ballistic testing includes multiple setups to introduce angles, clothing, etc. Meanwhile, we're all looking for a concealable pistol that shoots 1 oz Brenneke slugs.


Excellent post, 5pins. Performance from a short barrel MK9 is very impressive.
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