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Old 05-27-2018, 08:09 PM
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Cajunized CZ 75 Compact v. DW Eco or CCO

I'm looking for a 9mm officer-sized carry gun and am debating between a DW Eco or CCO offering or a CZ 75 Compact w/ safety, either steel or alloy frame, and sending it off to CGW for the pro package. Having a V-Bob, I kinda know what good things to expect with another DW. But, I've also been reading really good things about the CGW CZs, too. Price and capacity weigh in favor of the CZ. A true 1911 MOA and DW feel / quality weigh in favor of the DW. Opinions?
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:11 PM
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Given what I know about the CZ even in stock configuration, it would be my first choice.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:25 PM
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Cz for days if 9mm is desired. No contest when comparing overall usefulness untill you move into heavier calibers.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:32 PM
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For carry a CZ compact with an alloy frame would be my first choice.

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Old 05-27-2018, 09:38 PM
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Check out the CZ75 PCR. Awesome pistol, lightweight alloy frame. I would own one again but I just don't have confidence in 9mm.
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:40 PM
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Check out the CZ75 PCR. Awesome pistol, lightweight alloy frame. I would own one again but I just don't have confidence in 9mm.
My primary carry/console gun is a PCR.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:13 PM
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Check out the CZ75 PCR. Awesome pistol, lightweight alloy frame. I would own one again but I just don't have confidence in 9mm.
Agree on the PCR choice. Get one, send it to CGW, done.

As far as caliber, yes the 9mm is somewhat lacking, but with today’s loads, I have no issue carrying one.

As to OP actual comparison, the CCO is not an officer size gun. Frame yes, barrel, no.

Or you can do like I did and get the best of both worlds and build a custom ECO in 38 Super. And no, Dan Wesson won’t build you one, you have to know the right people.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:18 PM
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Well, a 1911 is a 1911. Great trigger, superb accuracy, pretty easy take down and cleaning. However, even though I'm comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, I still think it has a higher potential for a ND than a DA/SA pistol carried with the hammer down. Most 9mm 1911s also will not match a good double stack gun for capacity.

The CZ has that wonderful grip and higher capacity. Getting a trigger job by CGW will really sweeten it up. However, unless you get one with a safety, it will never match that fantastic SA trigger of a good 1911. If you ever decide to disassemble it to do a full clean, CZs are a pain to work on.

I currently carry a Beretta 84 (13+1 rounds of .380 in a little mini 92). I love that little pistol (still has a 3.8" barrel). It is light, pretty accurate, and easy to pack and conceal all day long. But, I really would prefer carrying a 9mm. I shot a friend's Springfield EMP today and found that his wasn't all that accurate. I have a Dan Wesson Valkyrie Commander in 9mm and love it. I'm seriously considering getting the ECO. Dan Wesson 1911s are high quality, tightly fitted, very accurate, and easily modified should you choose to do so. The only real downside is the low capacity. I'm still on the search....
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:33 PM
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Well, a 1911 is a 1911. Great trigger, superb accuracy, pretty easy take down and cleaning. However, even though I'm comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, I still think it has a higher potential for a ND than a DA/SA pistol carried with the hammer down. Most 9mm 1911s also will not match a good double stack gun for capacity.

The CZ has that wonderful grip and higher capacity. Getting a trigger job by CGW will really sweeten it up. However, unless you get one with a safety, it will never match that fantastic SA trigger of a good 1911. If you ever decide to disassemble it to do a full clean, CZs are a pain to work on.

I currently carry a Beretta 84 (13+1 rounds of .380 in a little mini 92). I love that little pistol (still has a 3.8" barrel). It is light, pretty accurate, and easy to pack and conceal all day long. But, I really would prefer carrying a 9mm. I shot a friend's Springfield EMP today and found that his wasn't all that accurate. I have a Dan Wesson Valkyrie Commander in 9mm and love it. I'm seriously considering getting the ECO. Dan Wesson 1911s are high quality, tightly fitted, very accurate, and easily modified should you choose to do so. The only real downside is the low capacity. I'm still on the search....
All true. A CZ PCR is not going to have the nice trigger of a 1911 even if the CZ is Cajunized. CZ's are a bit more complicated to work on and detail strip.

What the CZ has going for it is it's size and weight (PCR), accuracy, and dependability. And when one is pricing a decked out 1911 verses a decked out CZ cost may come into consideration.

No wrong way here. Just things to consider.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:33 PM
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I own a CZ that's been Cajunized with all they could do, great gun, mine was the Omega
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:57 PM
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CZ SDP is where it's at short of the Wilson EDC X9 and is actually my formost choice for 9mm carry use. I am mainly a .45/.450 SMC/10mm guy for carry use though and relegate 9mm for gaming use only.

The custom CZs WILL shoot to the level of a 1911 that is twice the price.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:01 AM
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I have a PCR that I will be sending to CGW, I have an SP01 and a 75B that was done by them with the Pro Package. The improvements on the wholegun especially the trigger is something else. After I had the first one done as soon as I got the others I got in line to send the others.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:31 AM
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My carry is a DW ECO in .45. Conceals well, with a Wilson mag it is a 7+1 round gun. In about a thousand rounds down the pipe, never a single malfunction, factory or my reloads. A friend has the CZ Rami, 9mm, which is really accurate in IDPA, also conceals well. For church, I want a higher capacity really safe pistol, so on Sunday's my carry is a H&K 2000 which is a DA/SA gun, or the slightly smaller H&K 2000SK.

As for having a svelte trigger on a carry, I suspect that any use of a carry gun would likely be almost point blank, so having a target grade trigger or sights would be immaterial to the need at hand. For church, if I have to shoot from communion to the balcony, 60 feet or more, then trigger and sights are vitally important, plus the possible need for a higher capacity firearm. I shoot all my carry guns a lot, so switching from a 1911 to my H&K's is no problem for me. By the way, my defensive ammo is Hornady's Critical Defense.

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Old 05-28-2018, 06:53 AM
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I have owned/carried both the ECO and a Cajunized CZ PCR. A bit of an apples/oranges comparison. The single action trigger of the ECO was more familiar to me as every other gun that I own is a 1911/2011. I can easily detail strip a 1911 while the CZ requires a YouTube tutorial. More holster and grip options for an officer sized 1911.

However, the ECO had numerous issues and made 2 trips back to the factory because it would not reliably feed ANY JHP. The folks at DW eventually made it right but I lost confidence in the gun and sold it. Maybe I just got a lemon. I have been pretty impressed with other DW offerings.

My experience with CGW was outstanding. Gun has been 100% reliable and will feed anything. Do not be fooled by what sounds like a heavy DA pull. It is exceptionally smooth and feels significantly less than the quoted 7ish#.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:19 AM
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I have a CZ P-01 and will never let this pistol go, accurate,reliable, THE perfect grip. CZ for sure.
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:47 AM
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I have a Commander that I really, really, want to love carrying. After three holsters, I still don't carry it regularly. It just doesn't conceal as well, or as comfortably as my CZ 75 Compact. It's a little shorter in length and height, and is very curvy, where the Commander has sharp corners that want to print all day long. The ergos are great, too. My son carries one as well. I've had no Cajun Voodoo done to it, and I blow out the bullseyes at 7-10 yards. What hasn't been mentioned is the fact that the 75 Compact is the only safety model. The PCR, and P-01 are decocker only (but still awesome), if that's a deal breaker for you.

1911s are my first love, and always will be, but, damn, you get a lot of gun for a ridiculous price with CZ. If 1911s are my wife, CZs are the wild red headed secretary I sneak off with at lunch.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:16 PM
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Thanks for all the input. I ordered a DW ECO in 9mm instead of a CGW CZ compact - for now. The dimensions are very close to the P-01, but without the 6 extra rounds in the mag. The DW 1911 force was too strong. But, with me, it's usually which gun will I order sooner v. later...
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:58 PM
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Can't go wrong with either IMO. I have both and have tried to carry both as CCW's, but since I prefer Decockers(no safeties), I went out and bought a Walther PPS M2 LE and a Vedder Light-tuck holster. Ima happy camper now!
If i could only own one handgun, it would be a CZ 75D Compact PCR or P01
My PCR has not been modded(except grips), has about 1600 rounds thru it, carry it in 1/2 cocked position(decocked). Trigger has smoothed out and don't feel the need to have it worked on as a carry piece. May order a lighter spring for it and new sights, but that's it. Has a short, smooth DA first shot pull. Less chance of a AD should you have to draw your weapon. This is my thoughts as I'm no expert, just your avg joe and i only hit the range about once a month.
Enjoy your new ECO!
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:07 PM
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Thanks for all the input. I ordered a DW ECO in 9mm instead of a CGW CZ compact - for now... The DW 1911 force was too strong. But, with me, it's usually which gun will I order sooner v. later...
yes it is, I was considering a cz75 shadow or a 1911, and ended up with another 1911. but I still have a desire for a CZ75 iteration.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:48 PM
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I am very biased toward the CZ compact and full size. They just work and fit me like they were made for me. Magazines are inexpensive if you buy mec-gar mags.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:56 PM
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Good luck with your DW, I have a Valor in .45 and its a very nice piece. I went a slightly different direction with my CZ PCR. I bought it from CZ Custom. Their version is the Pro Tek 1. Its DA/SA, 9mm. I shoot it the best of all my 9mm. I have a Wilson EDCX9 that I bought for my wife, very nice gun, but its set up for her. The grips and back strap are set for her smaller hands. She loves it, I don't shoot it as well as the CZ PCR, but its a very soft shooting gun perfect for her. The Pro Tek 1 is my EDC.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:24 PM
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I was thinking about the CZ75 compact but found a 2075 RAMI instead.
I am very pleased with my choice. 10 or 14 rounds is good for me.
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