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Old 04-02-2018, 05:51 PM
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Parkland students come face to face with law of unintended consequences

Parkland students returning from spring break now have to use clear backpacks and pass through TSA-style checkpoints: https://www.yahoo.com/news/parkland-...192830599.html

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Not much fun to be treated like a potential criminal, is it, Mr Hogg?

That is what you want to do, by banning certain guns for everyone. You tell them, they can still have a gun. Just like you are being shown, you can still have a backpack; just not the one you want.

Because it was a student that did the shooting, "any student could do it". That sort of logic is going to be extended to the max. This is just the start of making you "feel safe", sonny.

Your rights are going to be infringed, because you think laws are things you make up to inconvenience your political opponents. Welcome to the law of unintended consequences...




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Too harsh? Not into karma, or schadenfreude?
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Too harsh? Not into karma, or schadenfreude?
I'm into schadenfreude, I want to see that Hogg boy snivel like a 7 year old girl! but I don't think this clear back pack has much to do with firearms as opposed to school security.

Nevertheless, the head-shaven lesbian girl, Emma Gonzalez who is one of the prime suspects of that anti-NRA group, Never-Again, said that the bag is as transparent as the NRA's agenda.

Personally I always thought transparency was a good political thing.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:17 PM
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Well the manufacturer of those stupid packs likes the idea.......
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Well the manufacturer of those stupid packs likes the idea.......
Just wait, soon there will be a "Parkland approved" model that by regulation EVERYONE will have to use that just so conveniently costs an inordinate amount for the end consumer.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:25 PM
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Where do I get one? Looks like a government back pack. Not very stylist. However, it provides the security the students wanted. “Want” sometimes produces unintended consequences. Armed teachers anyone or perhaps a capable RSO? How about taking a “zero tolerance” approach toward bad behavior, disrespect and anti-social behavior.


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Old 04-02-2018, 08:32 PM
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Almost every school here in south Florida already mandates either clear back packs or mesh ones. But this is nothing new or unique to kids and schools.

I just think it's funny how they are complaining how the entire lot of them are being forced to obey new rules (laws) they don't like when only one kid did the deed. Yet they have no problem wanting to punish the entire lot of gun owners for the same single persons misdeed with a gun? Pointing out how stupid kids they are.....
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:01 PM
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I like the picture showing them wanting more government and getting their way. Classic. LOL.

Yeah, Mr Hogg was really upset that he has to use a clear backpack now as well as going through a metal detector too. Claims it violates his privacy and freedom. Go figure.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:59 PM
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I like the picture showing them wanting more government and getting their way. Classic. LOL.

Yeah, Mr Hogg was really upset that he has to use a clear backpack now as well as going through a metal detector too. Claims it violates his privacy and freedom. Go figure.
He claimed the clear backpack violates his 1st amendment rights and that of his friends.

First amendment? Really Mr. Hogg?

http://tribunist.com/news/parklands-...-rights-video/
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“It’s unnecessary, it’s embarrassing for a lot of the students and it makes them feel isolated and separated from the rest of American school culture where they’re having essentially their First Amendment rights infringed upon because they can’t freely wear whatever backpack they want regardless of what it is,”
He somehow believes that the first amendment allows students to wear whatever they want as a means of the freedom of expression. Really? He never heard of dress code? How about those kids at zero tolerance schools that get suspended for wearing a T-Shirt bearing some sort of firearm? How about four letter swear words printed on a T-Shirt?

What is truly disturbing is how far off the cuff this kid is and how much attention the media gives him. He allegedly has a 4.2 grade point average which tells me one thing about the Broward County School System... grade inflation. They graduate every idiot and everyone gets an A. If you commit some serious criminal act, well they will just look the other way because they don't want to build up statistics showing crime and they want to create the appearance of a high graduation rate.
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Old 04-02-2018, 10:33 PM
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Young Hogg got used. But he looked good! A real media darling! But lost his voice when it came to all the real failures - mental health issues the school and the sheriffs office and HRS were afraid to get into (better stay away from that hot button - don’t want to have to deal with fallout, move on to the next case, as long as we get him out of school, at least he won’t be OUR problem), and the Sheriffs office response - embarrassing. All the active shooter school training they got paid for, and the first sign of trouble and they freeze!
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As I have said before, when you stand up for your rights, sometimes you lose your seat.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:16 AM
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As I have said before, when you stand up for your rights, sometimes you lose your seat.
Fighting for you rights isnt about about loosing your position or status, it’s about being free, it’s about the freedom of the generations to come. We are the government and these politicians are at our service, not the other way round. Who cares about a seat.
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:32 AM
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Clear back packs are really nothing new.
Back in the mid 70s when I was in college, people (mostly females) that worked in Macy's ( Bambergers then) had to use clear handbags vs their purses because of all the in house theft that was going on.
I guess Parkland thinks they can't trust very many of their students.
But I thought since they raised the gun purchase age to 21, the problem is fixed, right?
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Old 04-03-2018, 06:50 AM
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:29 AM
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I remember when I was in HS. I thought I knew everything. Then when I went into the Navy I found out I didn't know anything, at least anything useful.

The real world is like that. Hogg is a high school student. He hasn't lived long enough to know much of anything. He just thinks he does.

I find it pretty incredible that the leftist media would choose him as a poster boy. The left must be grasping at straws to put a HS kid on stage to speak about the ills of society and how they would fix it.

All that shows me is how inexperienced HS kids are with dealing with real world problems and how jammed up the left is by thinking that a HS student can further their agenda. Nobody listens to HS students. They don't even listen to college students. About all they can do is complain about s*** and how unfair and screwed up the world is.

I'm a proponent of 2 years of mandatory public service after HS before you can inter college. Military enlistment would count as would a minimum wage job in a public works org, a hospital, nursing home, school or any organization that is funded by the state or fed. gov't.

Maybe after that experience they would truly understand how things work outside of HS and their own upper middle class neighborhoods.
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Old 04-03-2018, 09:48 AM
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Fighting for you rights isnt about about loosing your position or status, it’s about being free, it’s about the freedom of the generations to come. We are the government and these politicians are at our service, not the other way round. Who cares about a seat.
And when your freedom means taking freedom away from someone else?

They rallied like rabid dogs to convince America that we are ALL psychopaths who want to kill kids. Now they are the ones crying because their rights have been infringed. One girl even said, "Why am I being punished for what one person did?" And you don't find that ironic? Poetic justice, says I. They can sit on the floor with their clear backpacks. Maybe one or two of them will see the deeper meaning.
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Today's younger generations have been brainwashed to believe freedom means equality instead of liberty. Everything is about politics since everything has now been politicized including the Bill of Rights. They will turn this country into the totalitarian utopia that the Left dreams about someday I'm afraid.
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:42 PM
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I remember when I was in HS. I thought I knew everything. Then when I went into the Navy I found out I didn't know anything, at least anything useful.

The real world is like that. Hogg is a high school student. He hasn't lived long enough to know much of anything. He just thinks he does.

I find it pretty incredible that the leftist media would choose him as a poster boy. The left must be grasping at straws to put a HS kid on stage to speak about the ills of society and how they would fix it.

All that shows me is how inexperienced HS kids are with dealing with real world problems and how jammed up the left is by thinking that a HS student can further their agenda. Nobody listens to HS students. They don't even listen to college students. About all they can do is complain about s*** and how unfair and screwed up the world is.

I'm a proponent of 2 years of mandatory public service after HS before you can inter college. Military enlistment would count as would a minimum wage job in a public works org, a hospital, nursing home, school or any organization that is funded by the state or fed. gov't.

Maybe after that experience they would truly understand how things work outside of HS and their own upper middle class neighborhoods.
Which is what brings us to the topic of the mainstream media propping up these kids as new found celebrities. You would think they just walked on the surface of the moon in a newly disclosed space program. That Hogg boy has been on more TV News Magazine type shows than many politicians, scholars, and heads of state. For a solid month, he has been on at least two to three of those Sunday morning shows sitting around at those "round-table" discussions while the older journalist just heaped praise on him. They were never to criticize a single word he has to say, regardless of how idiotic or in-congruent his words are.
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Just wait, soon there will be a "Parkland approved" model that by regulation EVERYONE will have to use that just so conveniently costs an inordinate amount for the end consumer.


Just wait. This will spread across the country. The media outlets in every market will be using the same talking points and will encourage these clear back packs for every school. The maker and marketer of these back packs will likely be accused of profiteering off a tragedy.


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I remember when I was in HS. I thought I knew everything. Then when I went into the Navy I found out I didn't know anything, at least anything useful.

The real world is like that. Hogg is a high school student. He hasn't lived long enough to know much of anything. He just thinks he does.

I find it pretty incredible that the leftist media would choose him as a poster boy. The left must be grasping at straws to put a HS kid on stage to speak about the ills of society and how they would fix it.

All that shows me is how inexperienced HS kids are with dealing with real world problems and how jammed up the left is by thinking that a HS student can further their agenda. Nobody listens to HS students. They don't even listen to college students. About all they can do is complain about s*** and how unfair and screwed up the world is.

I'm a proponent of 2 years of mandatory public service after HS before you can inter college. Military enlistment would count as would a minimum wage job in a public works org, a hospital, nursing home, school or any organization that is funded by the state or fed. gov't.

Maybe after that experience they would truly understand how things work outside of HS and their own upper middle class neighborhoods.
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I too find it amazing they are parading a 18-year-old who knows nothing about the world as if he is a world expert simply because he was an unwitting part of a tragedy involving a psychopath. My theory is they are figuring "who can contradict or even question a student who was part of such a horrific assault." It's working so far by the way, any criticism of Hogg is swiftly met with authoritative derision and mocking by the mainstream media. I think that will peter out.

Some wise advice I got from my mentors when I left high school and that took some time for me to realize in full:

"I provide you a lab and equipment to do your job. I do not provide motivation. That comes from you." This from my thesis advisor.

"The worst thing you can have happen to yourself is to let someone else's bad attitude affect your attitude." Same thesis advisor.

"The world is not fair. Get used to it, and make of it what you can." Business mentor.

"What's right and just and what's legal are often not the same." A very wise probate lawyer.

It seems to me that young folks like Mr. Hogg have not yet heard this sage advice. They are being spoon fed sound snippets from "benefactors" who are quite simply using them.
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These media Darlings, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez and Cameron Kasky are really true cowards when comes to the truth. When a 2A student (Kyle Kashuv ) of Parkland ask for a debate with them they all turn him down. Why, They are being told some by Socialist Guidance Counselor that it would not help their cause to debate. It is best if you the media for your spreading our agenda. Some one in their circle is paying for their flights and meals and Kool-Aid. I do believe George Soros is somewhere pulling their strings.

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These media Darlings, David Hogg, Emma Gonzalez and Cameron Kasky are really true cowards when comes to the truth. When a 2A student ( Kyle Kashuv ) of Parkland ask for a debate with him they all turn him down. Why, They are being told some by Socialist Guidance Counselor that it would not help their cause to debate. It is best if you the media for your spreading our agenda. Some one in their circle is paying for their flights and meals and Kool-Aid. I do believe George Soros is somewhere pulling their strings.
Not to mention the artwork and graphics used in many of their events. They had the "Never Again" and "March For Our Lives" made into logo and screen printed into large murals used as backdrops in many of their venues. None of these kids, even dozens of them could organize the logistics together of doing the artwork, co-ordinating the busing of thousands to and organizing the venues for the Washington DC march, set up the bleachers, the podium/stage with the sound system. This was all arranged by deep pocketed supporters handling all these affairs for them while trying to make it look that it's just these really smart kids speaking from their heart for all kids.

Funny how the adults behind the kids never surfaced to say who they were propping them up. It was a very carefully orchestrated illusion with what must have been hundreds if not thousands of workers doing all the labor to pull this through.

I am convinced that the anti-gun movement spends far more money on these campaigns than does the NRA and all the combined firearms rights groups put together.
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This is the same thing I have thought along as well. Who funded and organized all of this. These kids did not have the resources to do all of this even with all of the social media outlets.

[QUOTE=PolymerMan;12126194]Not to mention the artwork and graphics used in many of their events. They had the "Never Again" and "March For Our Lives" made into logo and screen printed into large murals used as backdrops in many of their venues. None of these kids, even dozens of them could organize the logistics together of doing the artwork, co-ordinating the busing of thousands to and organizing the venues for the Washington DC march, set up the bleachers, the podium/stage with the sound system. This was all arranged by deep pocketed supporters handling all these affairs for them while trying to make it look that it's just these really smart kids speaking from their heart for all kids.

Funny how the adults behind the kids never surfaced to say who they were propping them up. It was a very carefully orchestrated illusion with what must have been hundreds if not thousands of workers doing all the labor to pull this through.

I am convinced that the anti-gun movement spends far more money on these campaigns than does the NRA and all the combined firearms rights groups put together.[/QUOTE]
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This is the same thing I have thought along as well. Who funded and organized all of this. These kids did not have the resources to do all of this even with all of the social media outlets.
What does it matter who funds them? Do you think all of the anti abortion nudniks are self funded and fully self organized? No, they have huge religious and other national organizations behind them who provide transpo, signage and the like.
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What does it matter who funds them? Do you think all of the anti abortion nudniks are self funded and fully self organized? No, they have huge religious and other national organizations behind them who provide transpo, signage and the like.
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