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Old 12-29-2017, 05:53 PM
Fauxferret Fauxferret is offline
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Bowling Pin Competition

Hello, everyone new to the forum. Iíve been reading on this forum for years and finally decided to make the jump so to say. So as this title will imply this is seeking your experience with bowling pin shoots. I have other pistols to choose from but my Springfield loaded just feels the best. Iím currently loading a RCBS SWC 200 Gr. Under VV N310. Iím getting pretty good results. I just wanted to see if anyone else here had competed in bowling pins and what their experiences were with any different loads. Thanks for the support
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Old 01-02-2018, 01:44 PM
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Depending on the front to back and smoothness of the tables, you'll want to load to about 195-200 power factor. So with a 200 grain bullet, that makes the math easy regarding velocity. If the tables are slick or pins don't have to be driven the standard three feet to leave the table, you could reduce the PF some.
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:17 PM
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My club used to run some great bp matches until the bowling alleys started shutting down.
One thing I look for is reliable function. In many cases, people here have tried running higher powered ammunition with 230 gr.flat nose or hollow point bullets. Often times a gun that works great with regular ammo will malfunction with those hot bowling pin loads. Sometimes the shooter is responsible for malfunctions under heavy recoil. Sometimes it's a magazine.
If you and your gun can reliably shoot a slightly hotter 200 gr.swc, that is a good start.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:14 PM
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200 gr. SWC at 900 fps. OR a 230 gr at 850 will take pins off the table very nicely if you hit it in the right place.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:30 PM
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230 gr trunicated cone at 875 fps was my old Second Chance pin load for years. Moved the pins off the table well and functioned 100%.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:46 PM
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I learned that the trick to winning was to shoot a pin and know in your mind it was a solid hit based on where the front sight was when the shot broke, and immediately move to the next pin. If you waited to see if you hit each pin you would lose. Same thing for steel plates. You had to have faith in reading the sights and calling the shots.

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Old 01-09-2018, 07:29 PM
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Here in NH and MA, I use a .45ACP with 255gr bullets at 850 FPS. Factory hardball leaves too much deadwood.
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Old 01-09-2018, 08:50 PM
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As Bagger Vance said, "Just whack the **** out of it."
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Old 02-06-2018, 11:48 AM
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Sorry for the delay gentlemen. Well I’ve tried accuracy testing with the VV N310 powder I am liking my results so far. I started at 3.7 and went to the 4.5 grains that the Bill Wilson signature load is loaded with and a .469 taper crimp. I did not experience any FTF or FTE so far so good. Yes for those who know the VV load data for this particular powder 4.5 is above the max load. I accept the consequences of my actions. I did not have any issues or over pressure signs. Granted there is one guy who shoots there who’s skills do not match his trash talking. Unfortunately the reload is what’s getting me now, being a southpaw it can be challenging. Although I did get a left handed magazine release setup for my 1911 so that’s one step closer. I just wish I could get my 1911 to do the slam reload. I know there are people who will crucify me for saying that. But those who are winning are typically shooting plastic guns specifically a Glock which is more than capable of such. Back to the 200 grain SWC, my biggest reason for sticking to this bullet is the wide meplat which does a wonderful job of slamming the pin off the table. We use to have full length tables but now we are using a pressure treated 12x2x8ft board. The course of fire changes from match to match a magazine change is always going to happen. So now I guess refinement is on me, I just need more range time. Ironically I work in a hunting and fishing store here locally but I find myself shooting, hunting and fishing less. *sigh* the irony of life plus renovating a house. So I have my hands full. I do appreciate the input any further criticism is welcomed. Thanks in advance
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Old 02-26-2018, 05:15 PM
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Here in NH and MA, I use a .45ACP with 255gr bullets at 850 FPS. Factory hardball leaves too much deadwood.
The old Second chance pin shoot is back in MI every June.
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:38 PM
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I wrote a book about pin shooting - Pin Shooting - A Complete Guide by Mitchell A. Ota
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Old 03-16-2018, 06:39 PM
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Oh, you're THAT Ota! Way cool!
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:56 AM
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At my pin leagues they are on 2x4s so a .32 will work.
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Old 03-17-2018, 06:08 AM
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:47 AM
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At my pin leagues they are on 2x4s so a .32 will work.
Do you ever get bounce backs off the pins from those small, slow moving handgun rounds? We used to do a lot of load testing, and subsequently banned anything less than .38 special (loaded at +p levels) and 9mm parabellum. Standard pressure .38 special, .380, and even 9x18 Makarov were problem children in that regard.

With rimfire, .22 long rifle is going fast enough to penetrate into the pins most times.

And, don't ask me how I know that standard #6 and #8 12 gauge birdshot loads ricochet badly..ouch!
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:59 PM
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I'm shooting a pin match tonight. The range sets the pins on 2 2x12's side by side, set on saw horses. The pins are set in the middle of the board closest to the shooters. 5 pins per side, two shooters competing against each other, first to knock all 5 pins to the floor wins. 5 rounds per mag, only 3 mags allowed. Revolver shooters can use 2 guns. Distance is 25' Depending on the number of shooters that show up, it's either double or triple elimination. I'd say 80% of the shooters use 9mm. If you don't clear the table with 5 rounds, you're odds of winning the match aren't very good unless you're blindingly fast w/reloads!

Yes, we do occasionally get bounce back of spent rounds when the pins start getting leaded up. They don't come back fast enough to do any real harm as long as you're wearing eye protection, but it's still a risk.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:29 PM
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"only 3 mags allowed" That's hilarious....... is full auto allowed?
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:02 PM
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It's rare that anyone gets to the 3rd mag, but it does happen. Most of the shooters at this range have been shooting pins here for a number of years and their shooting ability is fairly well known. The guys who run the match do their best to pair up shooters of fairly equal ability during the first round. That means new shooters are typically paired with other new shooters, many of them fairly inexperienced, and weak shooters are paired with other weak shooters. You occasionally get to watch two shooters going toe to toe where both run out of ammo before all 5 pins are off the table. The winner is the one who has the least number of pins still standing. It's great fun to watch the new shooters as well as the seasoned vets who typically go 5 for 5... Lots of laughing, joking and spontaneous applause for shooters who perform above their perceived level, etc. Great competition, but nobody really takes it too seriously. What's not to like??
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Old 04-14-2018, 06:14 PM
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Been a while since I shot pins competitively but I do shoot them a lot in practice. My pin load has always been a 200 grain RNFP Xtreme bullet loaded to where it was just over 900 fps.
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Old 04-14-2018, 07:02 PM
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Oh, you're THAT Ota! Way cool!
I LOVE this forum for many reasons and this is just one, but a big one.

Today I read a post by THAT Ota, and one by Armand Swenson's son.

Hard to beat that for rubbing shoulders with the right people.
Any chance your THAT drail?
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Old 06-09-2018, 08:00 AM
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I wrote a book about pin shooting - Pin Shooting - A Complete Guide by Mitchell A. Ota


Pinshooting: A Complete Guide by Mitchell Ota (1991-12-02) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K16DLQC..._r48gBbGSEER25

Pinshooting: A Complete Guide by Mitchell Ota (1991-12-04) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FIZVTWE..._N58gBb054BGR1

Pinshooting: A Complete Guide https://www.amazon.com/dp/187935604X..._688gBbHGMQ1EP

Itís on Amazon for those who want to learn from the legend.
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Old 06-09-2018, 12:40 PM
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My bowling pin gun used to be a S & W model 25 with 45 auto rim ammunition. It was a great rig for the time. If you couldn't get all 5 pins in 6 shots you were out of the competition anyway. I sold that gun to my neighbors for a several month long trip across country for a car gun. Found out later that they hid the gun in the door frame and left it there for the entire trip. The gun was a sold chunk of rust by the time they finished the trip. Ouch. What a waste of a fine gun.

I also had a S & W model 29 with Bomar rib that I used for bowling pins as well. Used 240 gr bullets in the 29 and 255 gr or 225 gr cast in the model 25. Knocking pins clean off the table was no problem.

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Old 06-11-2018, 11:19 AM
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At my pin leagues they are on 2x4s so a .32 will work.
Used to shoot a pin match where we used a 2x6, and you could knock them off with a .22LR. We also put paper on the front of the 2x6, so you couldn't shoot the board and knock them all over. Hit the paper, and you lose, (unless your opponent hit the paper as well.)

A 2x4 seems even easier.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:45 AM
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We shoot steel pins every thursday night. I can use my 38 with wadcutters.

Some folks do need to reload.

If you can't do it in 5, yer gonna get whooped.

We have 3 classes. Rimfire, CF Revolver and CF Semi.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:53 AM
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200 gr SWC, load so the gun functions without any problems.
And of course use 10 rd mags
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