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Old 02-14-2017, 08:08 AM
Rwehavinfunyet Rwehavinfunyet is offline
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2017 IDPA equipment rules.....

I could not find anything in the ESP division equipment rules that mentions anything about the "dust cover length" for an ESP gun. I know the firearm with the heaviest mag must be 43 ounces or less......

Would and STI Edge 5" gun now be legal in the IDPA ESP division.....?

Maybe the allowable dust cover length is discussed somewhere other than the ESP guns division...?
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:03 AM
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8.2.2.1.7 All firearms legal in SSP are legal for use in ESP. This provision may be used for firearms that violate an ESP rule (for example, a firearm with a steel dust cover or rail over 3.25) to still be used in ESP, provided the firearm meets all SSP requirements.

this rule is gone for 2017. happy shooting.
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:54 AM
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The Edge has a bull barrel.

You are right about the dustcover rule though. This allows some CZs into ESP that otherwise wouldn't be allowed, but the Edge is still out unless they make a bushing one that I'm unaware of.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:54 PM
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Not very many IDPA legal double stack STI guns.
As far as I can tell these are all the legal models without have them right in front of me.

ESP legal
Eagle
Marauder (2 3/4" railed dust cover)
Hex Tactical 4.0 and 5.0 (both are bushing barrel versions)

CCP
Hex Tac 3.0
DVC Carry
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:50 PM
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DVC Carry is too thick and too tall the new CCP dimensions. Max height is 5 3/8" and max thickness is 1 3/8".
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:21 AM
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The only way a "1911" is going to fit in the CCP box is if it has a short, "Officers" or compact frame.
Most factory ambis are too wide, though it's easy to trim them to fit the box.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:11 AM
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The only way a "1911" is going to fit in the CCP box is if it has a short, "Officers" or compact frame.
Most factory ambis are too wide, though it's easy to trim them to fit the box.
my old, 1970s vintage, 1911 commander fits into the CCP box, just barely. cannot use magazines with base pads. and it has small combat sights.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:51 AM
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OK . . . the only way a "1911" is going to fit in the box, if it doesn't have a compact frame, is if you have G.I. sights and no basepads.
My Commander doesn't fit, my buddy's Commander doesn't fit.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:12 PM
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I "think" my RO Compact w/magwell will fit. Not sure about the needed bumper pads. May need to shave them quite a bit but nobody's got a "new" box to try yet.
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:38 PM
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They're as rare as hens teeth, but I have seen bushing barrel Edges before. They may have been custom built though.
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Old 02-16-2017, 10:50 AM
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STI for CCP

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DVC Carry is too thick and too tall the new CCP dimensions. Max height is 5 3/8" and max thickness is 1 3/8".
My VIP has a wide (EGW) single sided thumb safety and wile it measurers wide, it tilts and passes when the cover is closed. I had to cut some magazines flush with the butt, and make some 3D-printed pads, to get it in the box.
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Old 03-16-2017, 05:33 PM
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My new STI Nitro 10 Tactical also fits the bill for being ESP legal. Bushing barrel and it only weights in at 38oz with an empty mag.

Realistically though I will have it rebarreled to .40 for use in USPSA Limited and IDPA ESP.
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:11 PM
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My new STI Nitro 10 Tactical also fits the bill for being ESP legal. Bushing barrel and it only weights in at 38oz with an empty mag.
Did you really score a bushing barrel on a Nitro 10? Asking 'cause I eliminated it from my search because I prefer a 'shing to a 'll. I'm happy where I landed, but one can never have too many STIs.
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:15 PM
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Did you really score a bushing barrel on a Nitro 10? Asking 'cause I eliminated it from my search because I prefer a 'shing to a 'll. I'm happy where I landed, but one can never have too many STIs.
Yup. Needs bushing wrench to disassemble it. It's that tight.
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