Winchester .45 acp 185gr silvertip jhp in clear ballistics gel. - 1911Forum
1911Forum
Advertise Here
Forum   Reviews   Rules   Legal   Site Supporters & Donations   Advertise


Go Back   1911Forum > >

Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-21-2020, 10:58 AM
5pins 5pins is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: HOT
Posts: 542
Winchester .45 acp 185gr silvertip jhp in clear ballistics gel.



Test Gun: Colt 1911 Government, Defender.
Barrel length: 5 and 3 inches.
Ammunition: Winchester .45 ACP 185gr Silvertip JHP .
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph G2.
Five shot velocity average: 993, 902fps
Gel Temperature 70 degrees.

https://general-cartridge.com/2020/0...allistics-gel/
__________________
www.general-cartridge.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-21-2020, 04:01 PM
Hopknockious Hopknockious is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1,167
It appears the silver tip is still a very successful round. Good penetration and consistent expansion. Thank you for the time and effort.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-21-2020, 05:18 PM
mkk41 mkk41 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,268
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopknockious View Post
It appears the silver tip is still a very successful round. Good penetration and consistent expansion. Thank you for the time and effort.

Actually it looks like a nickel-plated Ranger bullet. I've used the original Silvertip for years , and it always used an aluminum jacket in low-velocity rounds like the .45 and .380 and .38 Spl.
__________________
Beware of counterfeits and patent infringments!~ Col. Sam'l Colt
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 03-22-2020, 10:45 AM
Nitro.45 Nitro.45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,378
This just canít be possible!
With the new technology, none of the old stuff is supposed to work anymore!!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-22-2020, 04:18 PM
KCJeep KCJeep is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 361
Wow timely test for me. I have been carrying these a fair amount lately. They feed really well, shoot nicely too. What I was able to find indicated they would expand well also but your testing is far more conclusive. Thank you.

Appreciate your contributions here.

There are a lot of "old school" options that still work just fine. Remington semi jacketed hollow points in .357 for example are near legendary and are about as old school as you can get.
__________________
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

"If you want peace, prepare for war."
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-23-2020, 09:00 AM
SuperMan SuperMan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: NH, USA
Age: 68
Posts: 2,985
When I was with Dallas PD most of the officers I knew who carried .45 ACP carried the Silvertip or the Speer 200 grain Flying Ashtray...both did a great job... When I worked for NHDOC the issue round for those who carried the optional .45 was the Silvertip...

Nice writeup...Bob
__________________
If you can't deal with reality, reality will deal with you...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-23-2020, 10:48 AM
BigJim#1-8 BigJim#1-8 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 653
I always liked the vampire killers.
__________________
Clinger to GOD,Guns & Randall Knives
NRA Life
The Only Place I want to see a liberal is in a Museum
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-23-2020, 06:07 PM
Autonomous Autonomous is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest
Posts: 1,454
Thanks for sharing.
__________________
There is something to this 1911. I think it'll catch on.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-23-2020, 09:21 PM
flechero flechero is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 3,109
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro.45 View Post
This just canít be possible!
With the new technology, none of the old stuff is supposed to work anymore!!
New technology only makes the 9mm equal to or better than .45acp, but the new .45acp is the same as it was in the early 1900's... heck, not even smokeless powder could help the tired old .45acp
__________________
-flechero
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-23-2020, 09:41 PM
Rifter's Avatar
Rifter Rifter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: The People's Republic of Illinois, most corrupt state in the Union.
Age: 69
Posts: 5,988
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro.45 View Post
This just canít be possible!
With the new technology, none of the old stuff is supposed to work anymore!!
It isn't. Those may be called Silvertips, but they ain't the same as the originals I shot in the 80s. As previously mentioned, the originals had an aluminum skin that ruptured if you looked at it hard, and didn't penetrate worth spit.

It was terrible stuff. I tested a ton of it against just about everything you can think of.
__________________
Vietnam Combat Vet - U.S. Navy 1970-1974
NRA Benefactor Life Member

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice - Barry Goldwater
When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty - Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-23-2020, 09:48 PM
Rifter's Avatar
Rifter Rifter is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: The People's Republic of Illinois, most corrupt state in the Union.
Age: 69
Posts: 5,988
Quote:
Originally Posted by flechero View Post
New technology only makes the 9mm equal to or better than .45acp, but the new .45acp is the same as it was in the early 1900's... heck, not even smokeless powder could help the tired old .45acp
Blasphemer! Technology has benefited the .45 just as much as it has the 9mm. I'll put a good .45 up against a 9mm any day of the week without a second thought.

The best 9mm barely gets to .45 cal, but a .45 starts out that way and gets better. Hell, I'll take plain old .45 Ball over 9mm anything every single time.
__________________
Vietnam Combat Vet - U.S. Navy 1970-1974
NRA Benefactor Life Member

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice - Barry Goldwater
When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty - Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-23-2020, 10:37 PM
Striker2237 Striker2237 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 6,997
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rifter View Post
Blasphemer! Technology has benefited the .45 just as much as it has the 9mm. I'll put a good .45 up against a 9mm any day of the week without a second thought.

The best 9mm barely gets to .45 cal, but a .45 starts out that way and gets better. Hell, I'll take plain old .45 Ball over 9mm anything every single time.
A .45 ball round is the same/better than the current FBI 9mm loading lol!
__________________
Carry gun:Wilson Carry Comp Custom .45S Pocket carry:on loan Other 1911s:WC Supergrade Accucomp .38, WC BW Opticomp, WC CQB Compact, WC CQB Professional, WC Super Sentinel, WC CQB Elite 9mm, WC EDC X9, WC X9S, Ed Brown SR, NHC Predator II Opticomp, NHC T3 Hardchrome, Kimber Ultra, ATI Tactical, RIA Tactical 10mm, Kimber Ultra Diamond 9mm, Detonics Combat Master MKVI, Colt Centennial .460 Roland
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-24-2020, 06:40 AM
Nitro.45 Nitro.45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,378
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rifter View Post
Blasphemer! Technology has benefited the .45 just as much as it has the 9mm. I'll put a good .45 up against a 9mm any day of the week without a second thought.

The best 9mm barely gets to .45 cal, but a .45 starts out that way and gets better. Hell, I'll take plain old .45 Ball over 9mm anything every single time.
I think I detected a bit of sarcasm in Fletchís post!
I will eat my words since I did not use them in the old days. I blew right past mkk41ís post. Sure are a lot of people that swear by them. Funny how marketing works.........right Gaston...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-24-2020, 10:57 AM
flechero flechero is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 3,109
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rifter View Post
Blasphemer! Technology has benefited the .45 just as much as it has the 9mm. I'll put a good .45 up against a 9mm any day of the week without a second thought.

The best 9mm barely gets to .45 cal, but a .45 starts out that way and gets better. Hell, I'll take plain old .45 Ball over 9mm anything every single time.
I was 100% sarcasm on that one.... just poking at Nitro a bit! I can't remember who said it (Vickers, I think) but I agree 100%- while modern 9mm ammo may be adequate, it IS CERTAINLY NOT EQUIVALENT to 45acp.
__________________
-flechero
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-04-2020, 11:16 AM
45acpskng 45acpskng is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Northeast
Posts: 57
For those in the know, Silvertips will ALWAYS be the Gold Standard!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-04-2020, 11:28 AM
5pins 5pins is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: HOT
Posts: 542
I thought Gold Dots were the gold standard and Silvertips were the silver standard.
__________________
www.general-cartridge.com
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-05-2020, 09:42 AM
Nitro.45 Nitro.45 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6,378
Golden Saber ainít no slouch either! Boy, that was bad English......
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-05-2020, 01:29 PM
Tim Burke's Avatar
Tim Burke Tim Burke is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: NC
Posts: 10,721
Quote:
Originally Posted by 45acpskng View Post
For those in the know, Silvertips will ALWAYS be the Gold Standard!
The design wars were set off by a Silvertip failure.
__________________
TB., NC
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-11-2020, 11:58 AM
mkk41 mkk41 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,268
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Burke View Post
The design wars were set off by a Silvertip failure.
9mm Silvertips were nickel-plated copper jackets. .45 ACP Silvertips were aluminum jacketed.
__________________
Beware of counterfeits and patent infringments!~ Col. Sam'l Colt
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:53 PM.


NOTICE TO USERS OF THIS SITE: By continuing to use this site, you certify that you have read and agree to abide by the Legal Terms of Use. All information, data, text or other materials ("Content") posted to this site by any users are the sole responsibility of those users. 1911Forum does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of such Content.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2015 1911Forum.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved