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Old 03-03-2020, 01:17 PM
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I’m new to this reloading game. Are shortages seasonal? H1000 is Out of Stock/ Backordered at more than 4 vendors. Is there something I’m missing?
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Old 03-03-2020, 01:22 PM
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Are shortages seasonal?
Normally during election season... when there is fear a dem might win!

I think in your case, hunting season is wrapping up and target shooting is in full swing- this may be your worst time. H1000 was on the shelves most of last year, I seem to recall.
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Old 03-03-2020, 02:38 PM
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I’m new to this reloading game. Are shortages seasonal? H1000 is Out of Stock/ Backordered at more than 4 vendors. Is there something I’m missing?
Things that are just plain silly can set off panic buying. And then shortages just become sort of a self fulfilling prophesy.
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Old 03-03-2020, 03:20 PM
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Varget, Retumbo, H-1000, H50BMG and a couple others are “seasonal.” Those are on my list of always buying a few 8lb jugs at a time.
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Old 03-03-2020, 03:25 PM
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Here's what most folks DON'T know.

There is a TON of powder that is manufactured in Australia. The recent fires in Australia have put a huge strain on powder supplies.

For instance......Hodgdon.....they don't manufacture any powder. What they do is source raw powder from Australian powder manufacturers and blend it to come up with H1000 or any one of their other trade names.

Alliant manufactures SOME powder here as does IMR. But both of them also source quite a bit of powder from raw powder manufacturers.

Don't know about VV or AA.

While politics can and does influence the powder supply, I don't believe it is at the current time.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:14 PM
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Here's what most folks DON'T know.

There is a TON of powder that is manufactured in Australia. The recent fires in Australia have put a huge strain on powder supplies.

For instance......Hodgdon.....they don't manufacture any powder. What they do is source raw powder from Australian powder manufacturers and blend it to come up with H1000 or any one of their other trade names.

Alliant manufactures SOME powder here as does IMR. But both of them also source quite a bit of powder from raw powder manufacturers.

Don't know about VV or AA.

While politics can and does influence the powder supply, I don't believe it is at the current time.


That's a very interesting point. I wasn't aware of the Australian supply chain.



And here I was perfectly content to blame it on the democraps.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:28 PM
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Either way STORM, start grabbing what you can. There are a few other indicators that several of us have noticed from online suppliers of traditional stuff. TRSOtto tossed out something that most people wont even think about and is a good point. Powder and primers....as much as you can....don't wait until November, nobody else will! The Donald will be victorious, but the panic will wipe out the shelves. Don't get caught tripping on your pants that are around your ankles.….
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:58 PM
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Good points by all above. I agree with Tom Freeman above about H1000 being seasonal, it does have limited applications as far as cartridges it is well suited for, so when you find it available buy it. I found it the absolute best in my .300 Win. Mag. Also, many years ago I was able to talk several times to the head ballistician at Hodgdon and confirm what TRSOTTO said above. Many of the powders that Hodgdon was selling at that time (1990's) were made by ADI (Australian Defense Industries). They had developed a means of controlling burn rate other than by coatings (like graphite that has been traditionally used for that) and for reducing flame temperature (by what they used as a cellulose base) - that was a game changer for me; learned a lot about powder chemistry and processes in those few discussions. It resulted in longer barrel life due to lower flame temperature, and more consistent burn rates due to less coatings involved that can lead to inconsistency. My pet load for .300 Win. Mag. went from a best (with IMR powders) of about 12, to using the H1000 powder of 3.2 - that's a phenomenal difference.
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Old 03-03-2020, 07:32 PM
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I stocked up on powder several years ago. I still have it on my wish list at Midsouth and I am shocked at the prices.
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Old 03-03-2020, 08:21 PM
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I was in the Sportsman's Warehouse in Roanoke VA a week ago.

There was plenty of pistol powder. But rifle powder was pretty spotty. No Varget, no H-1000, no IMR 4895, most of what I use is not there. Funny thing is that I use IMR 4831 in My 25-06 and my .300 H&H magnum. Whenever I go to Wal Mart they will generally have at most a half dozen 1lb jugs of powder on the shelf. They always have IMR 4831. And sometimes they will have Reloader 22 which I like for 30-06.
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Old 03-04-2020, 01:17 AM
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OK, now I know the inventory rules. Buy twice as much as you use, rounded up. With 10 pounds as a zero base for each. Seems like a place to start. I had no clue of shortages!
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Old 03-04-2020, 05:06 AM
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Panicky people do strange things.
Would you believe some people stopped buying Corona Beer? LOL
I'm just waiting for the sales to start now.
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Old 03-04-2020, 05:41 AM
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........ Don't get caught tripping on your pants that are around your ankles.….

.....and the panic-badgering begins........
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:17 AM
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OK, now I know the inventory rules. Buy twice as much as you use, rounded up. With 10 pounds as a zero base for each. Seems like a place to start. I had no clue of shortages!
In your situation, you may want to buy ten times what you use!
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:22 AM
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.....and the panic-badgering begins........
Indeed!
It is kinda fun to grab a chair out of the camping section at Cabelas, grab some jerky and pull up to the ammo isles to watch the panic. “What the hell’s goin’on??” “When did this happen” “There was plenty yesterday” “This is ridiculous”. It’s quite entertaining.......but you have to have contestants!
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:33 AM
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The last big shortages I got so mad I quit shooting for a couple years. You couldn't find bullets, then it was primers and then it was powder. Actually I'm just now getting started back up. I'm not going thru this crap again, I'll go ride my motorcycle, reloading isn't the only thing I enjoy !
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:51 AM
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The 12 months leading up to a Presidential election are bad times to get what you need, shoulda been stocking up 2 years ago. I lived through the Obama years and it was BAD. I don't overbuy and hoard because some of the shortages come through gun buyers just screwing over the guy next guy buy stockpiling; .22lr.
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Old 03-04-2020, 08:29 AM
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If I was really wise I'd delay buying any new guns and simply spend that money on power, primers & projectiles.

I did, at least, grab 8lbs of powder and 10K primers on sale this week.

My wife has doctor's visits a couple times per month. There is a Cabela's on the way home from the hospital. She loves their warm roasted cashews, pecans and a Diet Coke for a snack....it just so happens that their primes & powder are 90 seconds walking distance, round trip, from the nuts, lol. I can park and be in/out with her snack and another brick or two of primers or a can of powder on each trip. It's not the most economical way to stock up......but it helps.


Hoping that President Trump will win bigly and be re-elected.....and continue the work of selecting SCOTUS members.

My AR game is mighty weak....a couple dozen 30rd P-MAGs and a gun to run them in. Once Trump 2020 has been secured, I will address my AR deficiency. Maybe a dedicated RL 1100 is in order.

I welcome the securing of our freedom as gun enthusiasts.
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Last night was a perfect example of why you shouldn't wait... with biden surging, people are already talking about him being a "moderate" and will give Trump a real race... and he's gained enough ground that they can easily screw bernie out of the nomination.

I'm thinking by the dem convention, you'll start seeing shelves getting thin as people start to worry and buy.

I also got caught short with obama and have been slowly preparing for whoever follows Trump, whether now or in 2024.
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Last night was a perfect example of why you shouldn't wait... with biden surging, people are already talking about him being a "moderate" and will give Trump a real race... and he's gained enough ground that they can easily screw bernie out of the nomination.

I'm thinking by the dem convention, you'll start seeing shelves getting thin as people start to worry and buy.

I also got caught short with obama and have been slowly preparing for whoever follows Trump, whether now or in 2024.


Praying Trump will win in 2020 and add to his work with SCOTUS and that the Republican party will have a super candidate groomed for excellence in 2024....a real clear people's champion !!!


This will get through the 8 years I need to get through to retirement date.

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I bought a Rockchucker in Nov of 2013 so I could start reloading since ammo was hard to get. I couldn't find any powder, primers or projectiles until April of 2014 because of "shortages". In Dec od '14, I bought a 550B.

Since then, as more has become available at a good price, I have built a cushion of components that will sustain my reloading for a good long time. Replace stock as used.
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OK, now I know the inventory rules. Buy twice as much as you use, rounded up. With 10 pounds as a zero base for each. Seems like a place to start. I had no clue of shortages!
Buying ahead, and buying some extra is fine, and prudent. But don't hoard it. Buy a reasonable amount to cover your needs, and leave the rest for others to buy so they can cover their needs too.

I managed to get through the 8 years of Obama without hoarding, shot as much as I wanted to, and had a fair amount left over when Trump got elected.
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Buying ahead, and buying some extra is fine, and prudent. But don't hoard it. Buy a reasonable amount to cover your needs, and leave the rest for others to buy so they can cover their needs too.
that's my thought, but mostly because i have limited storage. I typically buy 50k primers at a time, and 30-50 lbs of powder. Lasts a bit more than a year.
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Last night was a perfect example of why you shouldn't wait... with biden surging, people are already talking about him being a "moderate" and will give Trump a real race... and he's gained enough ground that they can easily screw bernie out of the nomination.

I'm thinking by the dem convention, you'll start seeing shelves getting thin as people start to worry and buy.

I also got caught short with obama and have been slowly preparing for whoever follows Trump, whether now or in 2024.
I've been a political junkie for 60+ years. One thing I've learned is to never listen to the pundits, or the pollsters on who is ahead and who is going to win. Watch the economy, and things like unemployment rates, and listen to what the average people are talking about. I feel pretty confident in saying that Trump is going to stomp a mudhole in Bernie's head if he is the Dem nominee, simply because Democrats (most of whom are still main stream moderates) are terrified of socialism. And what he'll do to Biden isn't fit to print. Biden will look like a herd of buffalo ran him over for two days. He's senile and everybody knows it, on both sides. I predict Trump will have a greater 2nd term landslide than those of Nixon and Reagan, and we will retake the House and retain the Senate.

Buy your stock in bulk when there are no hazmat sales, and buy it steady and you'll do fine.
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Yep, these days I tend to buy only when I see a sale or a penny hazmat day. And trying to replace a little more than I actually load/shoot just to stay ahead.

I hope you are right and it's an absolute trampling in November!
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