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Old 02-06-2020, 02:45 PM
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Rushed humid indoor range session....rusty shooter....5-gun break-in .....

I can keep piling on the excuses....

I was simply in a hurry....should've waited until a day when there was more time.....but I'm glad I went. Long overdue.


At 51, my eyesight ain't what it used to be....by a good margin, too.

I've tried wearing contact lenses for distance correction......just can't get with it. Truth be told, I simply can't get them in place. No patience to fool with them.

Cheater reading glasses work fine for reading.

I'm trying a pair of cheater shooting glasses....they have the corrective lens up top. You simply tilt your head down slightly and the front sight comes into focus clearly....sweat dripping down over that corrective portion makes for double vision.

Otis The Drunk from Andy Griffith Show would outshoot me when I'm wearing those glasses.....and probably also when I'm not.








Went to the range today and brought along 5 guns and ran 50 rounds through each.

4 of them were unfired prior to today....been sitting in the safe waiting for me to get back into the old routines. Even the "old gun" in the group, the .45 Valor commander, was only on it's 3rd range session. It's remained flawless since day one. I think they built this gun with some extra smoove in it. Hopefully I'll get some of that smooveness back with my shoddy form.

There were only two problems noted. I'll mention them below.

Ammo used was:
American Eagle 230gr .45acp, Speer Lawman 115gr 9mm, Sig 180gr 10mm





First gun was a .45 Valor commander.


Ran a mag at 20 yds.






Ran 4 mags at 15 yds....trigger broke immediately after front sight came down on the orange dot. This gun runs like it's got a big V-8 under the hood...only thing it needs is for me to fix the vision shortcomings and the grouping will tighten up. Buttery smooth cycling.









Next up was a 9mm Valor commander.

This mag ran at 15 yards.




Out of the 5 guns I shot today....this 'un should become the most accurate for me once I get the cobwebs knocked off my sight picture/stance/posture/grip/etc. The gun has near zero recoil, fits the had well and those grips are deceptively aggressive. They don't look the part, but as soon as you apply some hand pressure they bite in and anchor the gun in hand.

I didn't do the gun the justice that a better shooter would do. It's gonna be fun getting things dialed back in.



Next up was the little PM-C 9mm.


I tried to take my time and run these at 15yds.






The gun simply would not be held back I wants to run fast. The weight of this thing gives it really nice heft combined with the checkered frontstrap....simply has it back on plane near immediately after recoil. The bright front sight picks up the eye quick, centering swiftly and naturally in the rear ledge sight....even in my subpar squinting it is fast.

The trigger breaks clean and reset is imperceptible.

The little gun practically shoots itself on followup shots. I can't wait to get it broken in good and get acclimated to it and then run double taps.

The next two targets were run at 10 yards and run quicker than any other gun today. BAM...front sight would drop onto the orange dot...BAM...over and over. It's a crime that you have to stop and reload.









For a dude who wears size L-XL sized gloves, this little gun surprised me with it's quick recovery. It's not well balanced like the 9mm Valor commander, but as soon as you apply gip pressure it's well behaved and simply recovers like an eager retriever ready to bolt.





Next up was the Swamp Gat, a Rock Island 10mm full rail.

I ran it with new mags: 2 DW, 4 WC and 3 RIA. Nary a bobble. All ran flawlessly. There is a reason I mention the mags....more on that in just a bit.




10 yds and zero problems. It handled very well. Recoil was eased by the extra weight of the full rail + the TRL-1. This gun wanted to run fast, too.







Last up was the 10mm Razorback.

I'll be changing the front sight to a fiber optic version soon. Happy with the rear. Trigger is super, zero complaints. I'm sure I'll have better days ahead with this gun, but today it wasn't well behaved.

First shot (DW mag) failed to eject.
Fourth shot (same mag) failed to feed.

Throughout the 50rd box there were several failures to feed...or to go fully into battery. The DW & Wilson Combat mags were in use during these hiccups. Interestingly, the RIA mags had no trouble in the RZ-10.

Wasn't able to run it like it wanted to due to the multiple stoppages, however it was promising. Chalking this up to break-in bobbles and me being a rusty shooter.





So....all in all it was a quick 250 round session. I'd rather shoot outdoors, but the weather is really cruddy around here today.

1) My form is off and need some corrective lenses are needed for distance. Maybe I'll get my wife to help me one more time with the contacts before I give up on the things.

2) No worries over the Razorback. I'll keep at it for a few more range sessions and see how it goes.....keeping on using all the magazines and observing which ones are the problems show up with. It's a tight fitting gun and have lots of time to piddle with it between now and bambi season.
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Old 02-06-2020, 03:05 PM
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Looks like you had a fun day at the range.
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Old 02-06-2020, 04:06 PM
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You make want to hit the range now. Sounds like a great little workout. It seems you had problems only with the mags, that happens when you have a tight fit. When that happens to me i don't force the issue ill try twice and thats it, if they fail twice with good ammo I'd be done with them. Good luck on your new front sight, i hardly pay attention anymore to the rears once I'm in stride.

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Old 02-06-2020, 05:11 PM
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Looks like you had as much fun as i did! I just made a very similar post! Big Dan Wesson day for you! I only brought my Specialist Commander, but it is one fine shooter!
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Old 02-06-2020, 05:17 PM
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Looks like you had a fun day at the range.

Yessir. Always fun.

Long freaking overdue, though. I'm hoping to remedy that.

I spoke with them about membership options...on days that aren't under tornado warnings and hard rain....their other outdoor range is open. Hoping to get over there next week and try that one out.

Steel plates ringing is like music.....hopefully, knocking my rust off will have that sounding like good music.


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You make want to hit the range now. Sounds like a great little workout. It seems you had problems only with the mags, that happens when you have a tight fit. When that happens to me i don't force the issue ill try twice and thats it, if they fail twice with good ammo I'd be done with them. Good luck on your new front sight, i hardly pay attention anymore to the rears once I'm in stride.

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Thanks.

I saved a couple of the "trouble" 10mm rounds. When I field strip both guns I'll plunk them in both barrels......also get the calipers out and get some measurements.
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Old 02-06-2020, 06:05 PM
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Just a suggestion on the contacts. If you are near sighted do not put a contact in your dominant eye, only in the other eye. Your one eye will see the sights clearly and the other the target clearly.
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:31 PM
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Looks like you had as much fun as i did! I just made a very similar post! Big Dan Wesson day for you! I only brought my Specialist Commander, but it is one fine shooter!

Great thread of yours.

I enjoyed reading it.


Looks like we both got some much appreciated trigger therapy today.





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Just a suggestion on the contacts. If you are near sighted do not put a contact in your dominant eye, only in the other eye. Your one eye will see the sights clearly and the other the target clearly.
Very, very interesting.

Thanks for the tip.
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Old 03-21-2020, 09:31 AM
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I saved a couple of the "trouble" 10mm rounds. When I field strip both guns I'll plunk them in both barrels......also get the calipers out and get some measurements.
What ammo were you running in your RZ-10? I had some FTF running S&B 180gr, not too worried about it, needs more rounds.
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:44 PM
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What ammo were you running in your RZ-10? I had some FTF running S&B 180gr, not too worried about it, needs more rounds.
Ran the Sig 180gr in both my 10mm 1911s, which were each being shot for the first time.





Used RIA, DW and WC magazines. The 5' full railed RIA ran flawlessly through the first box. The Razorback had problems on the first round and throughout the box....occuring in each magazine.

No worries.....I'm confident I'll get it running well without much effort.













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Old 03-21-2020, 01:12 PM
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I can keep piling on the excuses....
Ha, ha. I hear ya, I can relate to both the delayed shooting and eyesight. Good thing is, youíve got some nice pistols and finally decided to enjoy shooting them.

Last two times at the range, had to bring along my 10mm 1911. My daughter loves that pistol.

Accumulated some different 10mm ammo last year. Havenít tried them all yet, but probably will by yearís end, much sooner if my daughter has anything to say about it.

-Underwood Extreme Defender, 115gr, 1700fps
-Underwood Extreme Penetrator, 140gr, 1500fps
-Hornady Critical Duty, 175gr Flex Lock, 1150fps
-Ammo Inc Jesse James Black, 180gr JHP, 1270fps
-HPR Hyper Clean, 180gr FMJ, 1270fps
-Sellier & Bellot, 180gr FMJ, 1164fps
-Sig Sauer Elite Performance, 180gr FMJ, 1250fps
-Hornady Custom, 180gr XTP, 1180fps
-Winchester Defender, 180gr JHP, 1240fps
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Old 03-21-2020, 03:11 PM
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Ran the Sig 180gr in both my 10mm 1911s, which were each being shot for the first time.

The Razorback had problems on the first round and throughout the box....occuring in each magazine.

No worries.....I'm confident I'll get it running well without much effort.
My FTF malfunctions look about the same as yours. My extractor tension seems a bit tight, I will leave it alone for now and see if it works itself out.
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Old 03-21-2020, 05:19 PM
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Ha, ha. I hear ya, I can relate to both the delayed shooting and eyesight. Good thing is, youíve got some nice pistols and finally decided to enjoy shooting them.

Last two times at the range, had to bring along my 10mm 1911. My daughter loves that pistol.

Accumulated some different 10mm ammo last year. Havenít tried them all yet, but probably will by yearís end, much sooner if my daughter has anything to say about it.

-Underwood Extreme Defender, 115gr, 1700fps
-Underwood Extreme Penetrator, 140gr, 1500fps
-Hornady Critical Duty, 175gr Flex Lock, 1150fps
-Ammo Inc Jesse James Black, 180gr JHP, 1270fps
-HPR Hyper Clean, 180gr FMJ, 1270fps
-Sellier & Bellot, 180gr FMJ, 1164fps
-Sig Sauer Elite Performance, 180gr FMJ, 1250fps
-Hornady Custom, 180gr XTP, 1180fps
-Winchester Defender, 180gr JHP, 1240fps

Now that's a sweet assortment of 10mm.

Very cool that your daughter enjoys shooting it.



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My FTF malfunctions look about the same as yours. My extractor tension seems a bit tight, I will leave it alone for now and see if it works itself out.

That extractor adjustment is gonna be my first move, too.
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I Understand Your Eyesight Frustrations

I am 73 and it is becoming more and more difficult to see sights and targets. I do wear contacts at the range, but they are mono-vision, with my left eye for reading close up and my right eye for distance. I just bought a red-dot for my Kimber and hope that will give some improvement.
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I am 73 and it is becoming more and more difficult to see sights and targets. I do wear contacts at the range, but they are mono-vision, with my left eye for reading close up and my right eye for distance. I just bought a red-dot for my Kimber and hope that will give some improvement.
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I am 73 and it is becoming more and more difficult to see sights and targets. I do wear contacts at the range, but they are mono-vision, with my left eye for reading close up and my right eye for distance. I just bought a red-dot for my Kimber and hope that will give some improvement.
That is just bass ackward unless you are left eye dominant and aim on that side. Your master eye should be focused on the front sight, usually about an "intermediate" correction.

My shooting glasses are mono vision, sight focus lens on the right/master eye. I only shoot in my progressive street glasses for occasional self defense practice.

A red dot, at infinity, should work with a distance vision lens.

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Next up was the little PM-C 9mm.

The gun simply would not be held back I wants to run fast. The weight of this thing gives it really nice heft combined with the checkered frontstrap....simply has it back on plane near immediately after recoil. The bright front sight picks up the eye quick, centering swiftly and naturally in the rear ledge sight....even in my subpar squinting it is fast.

The trigger breaks clean and reset is imperceptible.

The little gun practically shoots itself on followup shots. I can't wait to get it broken in good and get acclimated to it and then run double taps.
Awesome collection you have!

I have a PM-C that began as a 38 Super and had a 9mm bbl fit.... you are right about it- sweet shooting gun (in both calibers) and it runs extremely well. I share your eyesight issues and felt like I was reading something I posted! Although I have no contacts or glasses yet. My cheeks were tired from so much squinting the other day when I shot for groups. ...lol

Sounds like a fun trip- next time plan for more time or fewer guns.

Great report!
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Awesome collection you have!

I have a PM-C that began as a 38 Super and had a 9mm bbl fit.... you are right about it- sweet shooting gun (in both calibers) and it runs extremely well. I share your eyesight issues and felt like I was reading something I posted! Although I have no contacts or glasses yet. My cheeks were tired from so much squinting the other day when I shot for groups. ...lol

Sounds like a fun trip- next time plan for more time or fewer guns.

Great report!
Thank you.



Yup....50rds per gun wasn't much of a time to do much more than a live-fire function check.

Fewer guns & more ammo is the plan for next time.
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That is just bass ackward unless you are left eye dominant and aim on that side. Your master eye should be focused on the front sight, usually about an "intermediate" correction.

My shooting glasses are mono vision, sight focus lens on the right/master eye. I only shoot in my progressive street glasses for occasional self defense practice.

A red dot, at infinity, should work with a distance vision lens.
I'm 77 and also have vision problems as it relates to focus on the front sight. I wear bifocals...originally set up for driving. The lower section is set for being able to read the instruments on my dashboard, about arms length away. The upper section is for extra sharp distance reading street signs at freeway speeds, night and day, etc. Trying to use these when shooting I have to tilt my head backwards to view the front sights with my lower close focus part of the lens. But that involves head movement and an out of focus distance. All of this while shooting with both eyes open.

While I enjoy the "target" shooting, my goals are all based on self defense situations CQB. Doing dry fire practice in my home, strong hand weak hand single hand (left and right) I am finding that my best option is to practice without my glasses and use both eyes open to get the wide view but close my left eye and only use my strong eye to get the front site picture and pull the trigger. This gets rid of playing with my glasses all together and having to move my head. I also do practice in almost complete darkness at night, using basic iron sights with no aids. My Kimber has night sights, which are fine in low light. But for total darkness, they distract. For that I use muscle memory and both eyes open to define shapes and distance when aiming. I also don't practice with a flashlight since that also gives away my position.
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