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Old 01-15-2020, 07:24 PM
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I found a really good deal on a DW Guardian in .38 super locally. I have been searching for a Guardian in 9mm for awhile and haven’t been able to find one. I Have never shot .38 super. Would it be a good carry round? I’m assuming it’s way more expensive than 9mm. Wonder if you could swap barrels and bushing to 9mm if you wanted

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Old 01-15-2020, 07:55 PM
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Is it a viable carry round? Yep.

Can you get a 9mm barrel fitted, also yep. I asked DW a while back about fitting a .38 super barrel to my Valkyrie and they said they could do it for like $200 plus the cost of a magazine, no reason they can't go the other way as well.

I've been toying with it being the next project round for reloading (which I think you really want to do considering the cost of .38 super ammo) but haven't yet, perhaps next winter I will.
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Old 01-15-2020, 08:14 PM
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I found a really good deal on a DW Guardian in .38 super locally. I have been searching for a Guardian in 9mm for awhile and havenít been able to find one. I Have never shot .38 super. Would it be a good carry round? Iím assuming itís way more expensive than 9mm. Wonder if you could swap barrels and bushing to 9mm if you wanted
Barrel, bushing recoil spring and mag. About a 30 second change. If you buy factory ammo then yes, 38 Super is a bit pricey... A great round for the 1911 platform and can be a great carry round!

I also had a 9mm set up fitted to my DW PM-C that was purchased as a 38 Super. Both calibers run 100% reliable and I couldn't be happier. I reload, so my ammo costs are not out of line in 38 Super. Shop around though, if you are patient and order online, you can find some fair deals.
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:04 PM
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Carry? Sure. Easily converted to 9MM. Been there, done that with Colts and Kimbers. Oft times, just a barrel and magazine required. Sometimes a minor extractor adjustment. Now days there is even decent factory SD type 38 Super ammo available.
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:18 PM
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1911 9mm and .38 super.....

There is a difference in the length of the ejector on a 1911 9mm, which is usually much longer than one needed for a 1911 .38 super. I have found that the longer ejector used on a 1911 9mm makes the gun more reliable.....which is the reason Colt used a much longer ejector when they developed a 1911 9mm gun back in the 1950's......

My concealed carry firearm is an STI 2011 Commander in .38 super.....with hot JHP handloads.....
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:22 AM
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most all /.38Super on the shelf ammo is like 10mm, among others, it's pretty watered down and weak unless you drop a few more dollars on Underwood, etc etc that is loaded to spec. I have a .38Super 5" gun and I reload for it otherwise it's just hard or cost prohibitive to really shoot full power stuff.
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:53 AM
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When it comes to ball ammo for blasting, yes, .38 Super is much more expensive than 9mm. When it comes to self defense ammo? They’re about the same.
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Old 01-16-2020, 08:56 AM
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My DW Guardian in 38 Super is an alternate EDC. Here in FL, you need “seasonal “ EDCs due to wardrobes. If you reload, it’s not expensive at all (after the initial stock of brass) and you can get the designed performance out of the round. I reload from 90 grains to 147 grain 9mm bullets (typically.355”). Great ballistics. My best best preforming loads are 130, 135 & 147 grains bullets (.355-.356).
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:41 AM
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I bought my first .38 Super about fifteen years ago. I now own five. I have fitted 9MM barrels for two of them.
When it becomes known you shoot .38 Super, you may fall into some deals. Last fall I got a call from my local gun shop letting me know they had received a bunch of .38 Super ammo in from a lady selling off her late husband's gear, along with several rifles and handguns. I was able to buy several bags of Georgia Arms loaded .38 Super ammunition, loaded with 124 grain Gold Dot HP's, at a price equal to 9MM practice ammo. I bought enough of it to have .38 Super SD ammo for the rest of my life. I hand load my .38 Super practice ammo so I'm set.
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Old 01-16-2020, 11:48 AM
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> Would it be a good carry round?

John Browning throught so.

Factory loaded Super is more expensive than cheap 9mm. But if you plan to shoot Ultra Ninja Death Ripper boutique 9mm, Super will give you better performance and a better price too...
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:40 PM
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It would be a nice carry round. Compare the 9mm Luger (9x19) on the left below to a 38 Super (9x23SR). Next is the good ol' 45ACP. On the right is a 10mm (10x25).

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Old 01-16-2020, 11:23 PM
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.38 super. Its soo good, hell its the REASON they created the 9x21
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Old 01-17-2020, 07:51 AM
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Yes, it is a GREAT round for carry, and I own 2 of them...alternate between the Pointman
and the Pointman Carry.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:30 AM
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most all /.38Super on the shelf ammo is like 10mm, among others, it's pretty watered down and weak unless you drop a few more dollars on Underwood, etc etc that is loaded to spec. I have a .38Super 5" gun and I reload for it otherwise it's just hard or cost prohibitive to really shoot full power stuff.
SIG V Crown JHP and Cor Bon are on the shelf and plenty hot.
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Old 01-17-2020, 07:06 PM
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I have a Springfield Range Officer Operator in 9mm. I sent it to Clark custom for front strap checkering. I had the frame hard chromed by Mahovsky. I was planning on using it as a duty weapon.

Recently Sig had a sale on 38 Super barrels. The price was $29.99. I picked one of the barrels. A friend of mine fitted the barrel. I qualified with it. It is now my duty pistol. I am using Corbon 125 gr hollow points. Corbon claims a velocity of 1345 feet per second.

I found that the Sig hollow point ammo won't live eject. The Corbon and Winchester Silver Tips will. I feel that I have the best of both worlds. A really hot round with not a lot of recoil.
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:16 PM
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Thanks, I just ordered a Sig barrel.

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I have a Springfield Range Officer Operator in 9mm. I sent it to Clark custom for front strap checkering. I had the frame hard chromed by Mahovsky. I was planning on using it as a duty weapon.

Recently Sig had a sale on 38 Super barrels. The price was $29.99. I picked one of the barrels. A friend of mine fitted the barrel. I qualified with it. It is now my duty pistol. I am using Corbon 125 gr hollow points. Corbon claims a velocity of 1345 feet per second.

I found that the Sig hollow point ammo won't live eject. The Corbon and Winchester Silver Tips will. I feel that I have the best of both worlds. A really hot round with not a lot of recoil.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:26 AM
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I have a Springfield Range Officer Operator in 9mm. I sent it to Clark custom for front strap checkering. I had the frame hard chromed by Mahovsky. I was planning on using it as a duty weapon.

Recently Sig had a sale on 38 Super barrels. The price was $29.99. I picked one of the barrels. A friend of mine fitted the barrel. I qualified with it. It is now my duty pistol. I am using Corbon 125 gr hollow points. Corbon claims a velocity of 1345 feet per second.

I found that the Sig hollow point ammo won't live eject. The Corbon and Winchester Silver Tips will. I feel that I have the best of both worlds. A really hot round with not a lot of recoil.


That is awesome that you are carrying .38 Super for duty. Iíve had really good results with the Corbon 125gr just range testing with makeshift stuff I get 1298fps out of a 4Ē 1911.
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Old 01-18-2020, 02:15 PM
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I keep hoping Winchester will bring back their Silvertip 38Super ammo, but ammo sites say it's unavailable.
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:29 PM
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That is the unfortunate thing about .38 super. You have to look some to get decent SD ammo for it. I often carry one. When I find some ammo that looks promising I buy 3 or 4 boxes of it so if it works out I've got it.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:46 PM
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Any idea why the Sig barrels are so cheap?
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:53 PM
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38 super is fine but I really wish 9x23 Winchester would make it to the mainstream. Then you can have real 357 magnum juice without going up to 10mm. I intend to get a 10mm 1911 at some point but I may take a detour to get into reloading just so I can get a 9x23 Win made.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:59 PM
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I got into 38 Super this year.
Yea it's a bit more expensive than 9mm.
I don't shoot enough for it to matter.
The 38 super when loaded to +P with a 115 or 124 gr. hollowpoint out classes the 9mm.
In fact puts you in 357 mag territory.
The two brands I have been trying out are Corbon and Double tap.
Corbon recently got sold to another owner and the quality is sketchy, though I haven't run across any problems.
Double Tap makes good ammo, but you have to buy factory direct.
Not a problem, they are great to work with and I get my orders in acouple of days.

Avoid Underwood 38 Super. The make great ammo, but load their 38 Super in Supercomp cases. Supercomp has a differant size rim and you may have to adjust your extractor to run it.


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Old 01-19-2020, 03:25 AM
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.38 Super ammunition.....

I have never had to use my concealed carry .38 super for self defense, but I want to make sure my ammunition will work if ever needed. Although it is rare, there have been instances where factory ammo has failed.....but the public is usually not made aware of the instances.....

I reload all of my ammo, and take extra precautions when making my .38 super ammo or self defense. I start with new Starline brass cases, or once fired cases. I have worked up a load that will provide excellent reliability with my concealed carry weapon, excellent accuracy, and very good terminal ballistics....I use 124 grain Speer Gold Dot or Hornady XTP bullets......these JHP profiles offer excellent expansion, which is why many law enforcement agencies use these bullets in their departments. My .38 super loads are similar in ballistics to a low end .357 magnum round....and leave the muzzle of my gun at roughly 1,300 fps.

My handloads will shoot 5-shot three inch groups or better from a sand bag rest at 50 yards, which is my criteria for accuracy..... By reloading my own self defense ammo, I know there is a flash hole in the brass case, I know there is powder in the case because I check each round before I seat a bullet. When I purchase factory ammo, I assume the ammo is good, but I prefer to make my own self defense ammo since I have my own quality control guidelines, and I am confident the ammo will work if ever needed....without making any assumptions that the ammo should work....

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Old 01-19-2020, 07:37 PM
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38 super is fine but I really wish 9x23 Winchester would make it to the mainstream. Then you can have real 357 magnum juice without going up to 10mm. I intend to get a 10mm 1911 at some point but I may take a detour to get into reloading just so I can get a 9x23 Win made.
So, if I already have three different 10mm pistols then there isnít a reason to mess with 38 super other than to just mess with it as 10.mm will take care of business?
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Old 01-20-2020, 07:06 AM
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So, if I already have three different 10mm pistols then there isnít a reason to mess with 38 super other than to just mess with it as 10.mm will take care of business?
The 10mm will definitely take care of business. Excellent self defense or hunting round.

That being said, the .38 Super is a great round, so why not have both?
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