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Old 01-27-2020, 07:11 AM
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Do I want/need to add a gun in .38Super ????

I've given up on shooting the DA/SA P226, P220, 92F, CZ75 and other similar to the level that I am happy with.

I've done some flipping and wound up buying new 1911's in calibers other than the .45acp.....figuring I'd take full advantage of the reloading gear I'm slowly acquiring, too.

In addition to the 45's....I now have 5" & 4.25" 9mm, two 5" 10mm and am looking beyond.

I'll be keeping my wheelguns in 44 RemMag for deer hunting, but will also be using the 10mm for such.



I've been getting some nicer guns than what I used to have....but nothing custom or higher grade semi-custom such as Alchemy, Wilson Combat, EdBrown or Nighthawk. If I were to order such a gun it'd be my primary carry gun and would see much range time, too.

I've been thinking about what cartridge to chamber that really nice gun in.
I'm 51 now and can feel the beginning effect of arthritis in my hands....it's been in my knees & spine for ages, lol. I used to say, "I'm as good once as I ever was"....now, however, not so sure that's accurate, lol.


.45 is what I've always used in my 1911 until recent times. The 9mm are mighty sweet shooting at the range. The 10mm aren't punishing and will do great for hunting.

The 9mm are much more cost efficient to shoot, too.

Seems as if the .38Super would take advantage of the longer cartridge length the 1911 was designed for, rim would make for assured extraction, more case capacity could be used to push 'em faster and the 9mm-sized projectiles would be much cheaper to buy for those range sessions.....less "punishing" on the hands & weapon, too. This would be for a gun that I'd plan on shooting/carrying for a long, long time.

I'm kicking around the idea......


I'd appreciate feedback from others who have experienced similar wants and if you did add .38Super how it went for you.
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Old 01-27-2020, 07:32 AM
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Personally I didnít find the juice was worth the squeeze!

I have 1911ís in 9 & 45, I reload - if your 9mm 1911s function reliably then the rimmed case / extraction isnít an issue. The projectiles for 38S May be cheaper than 45 but you have to buy brass to reload, at least I did, no range pick up so it was more pricey to load. 9 is easy and cheap to load & shoot. 147 grain HSt is readily available & a great defensive round if you carry, not sure you gain much or anything in a 38S defense round over it.

So... my answer is if you want another caliber & have both time and money go ahead. Personally Iíd rather have fewer calibers & shoot more.


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Old 01-27-2020, 07:40 AM
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I love shooting my Baer Mono Heavyweight in 38 Super. Fantastic cartridge and what the world should have chosen oven the 9mm.

Reloading keeps the cost down. I bought a case of factory ammo a few years back and have been reloading 129 gr. bullets using the empties ever since.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:16 AM
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Personally I didnít find the juice was worth the squeeze!

I have 1911ís in 9 & 45, I reload - if your 9mm 1911s function reliably then the rimmed case / extraction isnít an issue. The projectiles for 38S May be cheaper than 45 but you have to buy brass to reload, at least I did, no range pick up so it was more pricey to load. 9 is easy and cheap to load & shoot. 147 grain HSt is readily available & a great defensive round if you carry, not sure you gain much or anything in a 38S defense round over it.

So... my answer is if you want another caliber & have both time and money go ahead. Personally Iíd rather have fewer calibers & shoot more.


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Very good points.....especially on the brass. I've never lucked out and found brass for it on the range floor when I was sweeping up. 9mm a plenty, though. Grateful for it, too.

Right now my biggest obstacle is getting the time to enjoy shooting/reloading and such. Zero hunting done this last year.

Hoping & planning on time constraints improving soon.


The verdict is out on my 9mm functionality of the 1911 I've added. My initial 5" Range Officer is still in a break-in state and having some predictable issues that may benefit from better magazines than what it came with.

Have another pair of 9mm that will be getting their first range sessions soon....hopefully next week.






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I love shooting my Baer Mono Heavyweight in 38 Super. Fantastic cartridge and what the world should have chosen oven the 9mm.

Reloading keeps the cost down. I bought a case of factory ammo a few years back and have been reloading 129 gr. bullets using the empties ever since.


I'd imagine a Baer Mono Heavyweight would be an absolute peach in .38Super. I'll bet it's a tack driving beast.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:28 AM
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I say go for it. If you don't like it sell it. Life is too short. I recently thought I should get back into 9mm. One became two then I realized it was not doing it for me so my son got the ammo for christmas and I sold/traded the guns. Not counting the ammo I lost just shy of 2 bills. Not a huge loss but I tried and now I know its not for me.

38 super could end up being your holy grail caliber. Only one way to find out
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Old 01-27-2020, 10:48 AM
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NEED has nothing to do with it. You should have a .38 super because EVERYBODY should have a .38 super.
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:34 AM
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:58 AM
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I'm going to throw this thought out there. I shot pistol bullseye for over 20 years. Part of it was with a 1911 .45 ACP. A lighter recoil spring & you can shoot very pleasant .45s in your current 1911. Plated bullets are cost effective now. I'd explore this route.
Good luck with your decision!
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:15 PM
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They are nice, esp if you reload. Below a 9mm (9x19) on the left and then a 38 Super (9x23SR). Next the good ol' 45ACP. On the right a 10mm (10x25).

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Old 01-27-2020, 01:22 PM
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I’ve stopped buying 1911 Colts in calibers other than .38Spr.
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Old 01-27-2020, 01:36 PM
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It sounds like you can afford to shoot anything you desire.
So why not?
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:01 PM
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I have 2 .38 Supers.....both Dan Wesson. Have been loading for them for many years.
I also have .45's, and 9mm's.....but my heart really belongs to the Super.
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Old 01-27-2020, 07:22 PM
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I hate to muddy the waters any further but I have a 9MM RIA and a .38 Super Colt and couldn't really feel the difference when shot one after the other. I was expecting the .38 super (with the Geco ammo rated at 1400fps, or something) to be HOT, but, as I said, I didn't really notice the difference.
Cool factor is there, though.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:18 PM
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I would just take your Commander sized 9mm and add a 38 Super barrel to it. Cheaper to do that than buy another gun.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:36 PM
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If you want to try 38 Super then try it. Try it because it's an interesting round. It is not "better" than other rounds but it is different.

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Old 01-28-2020, 03:53 PM
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^^^what he said^^^. I added 38 super a few years back after 45 and 9mm.
Its just a fun round to shoot. I don’t reload, so the fact that you do, is a plus for you from an ammo cost standpoint.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:51 PM
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Two week ago I was all hot to get a .38 super. I ordered a barrel and magazine to fit to my RIA. However, after looking at loading tables, etc I decided I wasn't getting that much more than some 9mm's. I am too old to learn to reload a new caliber. I have been reloading .45 and 38/357 for over 40 years. I have also loaded some 9, but bought a lot of cheap aluminum and other ammo.

Maybe someday, I will get a chance to shoot one and decide to try it. For now I will stay on the sidelines and see what you folks do.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:49 PM
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I bought my first Super, a Colt Combat Commander, in the early '70s. That, and a 70 Series Government Model, had the earlier style barrels that attempted to headspace the cartridge on the semi-rim. Performance was DISMAL. Non existent accuracy, flattened and pierced primers, bulged brass, etc. Both were reliable, if nothing else, and the Combat Commander soon went to a new home. A barrel that headspaced on the case mouth was installed in the Government Model, solving all the ugly issues.

Anyway, later Colt, Kimber and STI Supers all headspace properly and preform well, and I still enjoy shooting and reloading the Super. I think where the Super significantly out preforms the 9MM is with 147 grain and heavier bullets. In well supported chambers, 147 @ 1250+ FPS, and 124/125 @ 1450+ FPS can be easily achieved should one desire it. Importantly I think, the brass we have available now days is more robust in the case head area than some of the brass I used back in '70s and '80s. The Winchester was very thin in the case head area, but has been improved since. And now the excellent Starline 38S., 38 SC, 38 TJ, etc. brass is available. And with a 9MM barrel and magazine, you have another 9MM if you want. Yea, I kinda like the Super
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Old 01-28-2020, 06:34 PM
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I'm going to throw this thought out there. I shot pistol bullseye for over 20 years. Part of it was with a 1911 .45 ACP. A lighter recoil spring & you can shoot very pleasant .45s in your current 1911. Plated bullets are cost effective now. I'd explore this route.
Good luck with your decision!
That also applies to the 10mm. I love my 45's and the versatility of the 10 makes me really appreciate the 10

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Old 01-28-2020, 09:15 PM
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I say yes, go 38 super

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Old 01-29-2020, 12:56 PM
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WHY NOT - I wouldn't mind having a beautiful vintage Colt in 38 super - but had to go for the poor-mans make do route, & have a Tokarev, & a CZ52 - both in 7.62X25 - also pretty hot round - with its own similar + unique capabilities. I'm satisfied.
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Old 01-29-2020, 01:10 PM
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Two week ago I was all hot to get a .38 super. I ordered a barrel and magazine to fit to my RIA. However, after looking at loading tables, etc I decided I wasn't getting that much more than some 9mm's. I am too old to learn to reload a new caliber. I have been reloading .45 and 38/357 for over 40 years. I have also loaded some 9, but bought a lot of cheap aluminum and other ammo.

Maybe someday, I will get a chance to shoot one and decide to try it. For now I will stay on the sidelines and see what you folks do.
Jeff Maas' loading website: 38 Super

https://web.archive.org/web/20160313...ts/hl38sup.pdf

Some discussion of load development from the old 38 Super website.

It ain't always what it does but how it does it that matters.

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Old 01-29-2020, 07:53 PM
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I bought a Plymouth Barracuda yesterday. Did I NEED it? Nope. Did I WANT it? Oh yeah!

Just don't spend any money on a .38 Super that should be applied elsewhere. If that criteria is met, I say go for it.
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