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Old 01-07-2020, 09:05 AM
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What Gun Bans Lead too. A Lesson from Dickís.

Although I had vowed to never enter a Dickís again, I was eating at a restaurant next to one, and saw a tent sale. It was stuffed with Dicks merchandise, so I went in to see what was there. They had a bunch of Gamecocks clothes they were selling at about 80% off, and some camo fleece at about the same price. I did end up buying a couple fleeces at that price. On a whim, I decided to go in the store and head back to the gun section.

The store looked like a ghost town. Nobody in there but me and may one or two others. The gun section had more or less been dismantled. The shelves werenít only empty, but many had been removed. I am not an expert on retail, but they were losing money by the hour on the day I went there.

The very next day, I had todo a pick up at the airport which is close to a Field & Stream. I stopped there, went in, and saw almost nobody but employees in there. The gun shop looked liked they had stopped buying merchandise. The selection and the prices were poor. The ammunition selection was worse. Most of the display section in the gun shop had been nearly emptied.

Both places seemed to have no business. I donít know a lot about retail, but I donít see how a F&S that used to have a great selection of hunting gear, and a lot of gun buyers supporting the store can continue to exist without them.

This morning I saw this in the paper.


https://nypost.com/2020/01/07/new-je...ce=message_app

Whatís next? Will Dickís decide to stop selling golf gear? I donít know how they are doing at a corporate level, but will be surprised to see their stores last another year in my area. I posted this in Second Amendment area only because I think it shows Dickís Anti position has really affected their business here. What was once a real supplier of hunting gear seems to have been reduced to a store where kids whack each other over the head with golf clubs.







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Old 01-07-2020, 10:14 AM
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Well since I rarely shop at any physical brick and mortar store with exception to a grocery store whenever I do I find most to have very little foot traffic. Not selling guns probably didn't help but most retail stores aren't doing well lately.

I have much wider and greater choices on the internet anyway.
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Old 01-07-2020, 11:20 AM
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Old 01-07-2020, 12:37 PM
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I love Corporate suicide!! Good riddance to all of these loser "companies"..
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Old 01-07-2020, 03:38 PM
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Well since I rarely shop at any physical brick and mortar store with exception to a grocery store whenever I do I find most to have very little foot traffic. Not selling guns probably didn't help but most retail stores aren't doing well lately.

I have much wider and greater choices on the internet anyway.
I dnot know, the local Cabelas is usually packed.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:26 PM
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I dnot know, the local Cabelas is usually packed.
Cabelas has really changed since Bass Pro bought them out. Bought a Garmin inReach GPS for my daughters Christmas present. They wouldn't let me walk to the check out with it my hand....I was going to have an escort with me to the checkout station....I got a lecture on how much strinkage they've had this year......I asked if I looked like a 70 year old thief.....screw them...I told them they could walk it up to customer service and I would pick it up from there after I was done shopping. Checked out some overpriced ammo, an over price Mossberg 590a1 and some other overpriced stuff....them went up a bought the GPS from the customer service desk. Sadly very few options in my little piece of planet earth.

But it is an OK place to go look around at all the options.....

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Old 01-07-2020, 11:15 PM
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I dnot know, the local Cabelas is usually packed.
My local Cabelas is nowhere close to being as busy as it was three years ago. I used to have to take a number and wait. Now if I had any interest in what they stock and I no longer do I could just walk up and talk to the guy behind the counter.

Small town malls are quickly going out of business as the big chain stores or anchor stores like Sears have or are going bankrupt or closing more stores. Retail stores in general just have less foot traffic at least where I live.
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Old 01-08-2020, 08:50 AM
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Having been in more than a few different Cabela's and Bass Pro stores since the merger, while travelling this past year, I can say that, IMHO, the over all quality of the goods sold and the services provided has declined. Bigger doesn't always mean better. Plus, you used to be able to overnight in most of the parking lots when travelling. I was rousted out of the Bass Pro Springfield, MO store's lot by security at 2AM after asking two different employees (and checking with the customer service desk) if it was OK to sleep in my truck camper in the BIG empty lot. As for Dick's; the name says it all. Rant over!
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Old 01-11-2020, 11:24 AM
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I have 17 years in the retail / gun shop / FFL. I got out as soon as the writing was on the wall. Brick and mortar stores are on a decline. It was tiring to spend time helping, for a good percentage of customers using my time to walk out and buy from the internet only to return with that product and want to return it at my shop. Standard reply was lower your prices. I would say, just how much money does XXXX put into the local economy, give to local hunting and shooting clubs and gun ranges to keep them open? High majority said they don't care about any of that. The big corps get hammered for being corp but the taxes they dump locally is quite large. More so than several mom and pops.

There is no money in guns, most of the profit is around 12-15% with a few exceptions 20%. To keep my doors open, I had to maintain approx 33% in profit. Most terms are Net 30 meaning once I take delivery on a product, I have 30 days to pay the invoice. Every month pay roll taxes. Every month electric and so on.

Cabelas makes their money on credit cards, they own the bank. They really don't care how much you spend in their store but do care about CC because of the interest rates of all those other purchases you make with their CC. Its why BPS was excited to take over. Customer count and sales are way down as a whole, last I talked to some buds around 30% over last year that was down around 20% over the year before. Their sales for BF and Christmas was staggering down. Hard to stock shelves with profit, hard to make profit without product on the shelves.

There is about 20% shrink due to theft. Many corp have blanket policy to make them fair. Cant let a 60 year old walk product to the front but hand carry 25 year old. Lawsuit!!!! Believe me I know. And its no different than buying beer or smokes, I get carded every time and I no where look under 50.

While Dicks did implode, they make approx. 70% on the clothing, 40% of hard goods so a little loss with gun and ammo sales at less than 20% was not a threat. They would get more return on their investment or more sales profit per sq foot without guns and ammo. From that side of a business I understand why but it was very bad optics.

For overnight camping or sleeping in a car, we use to go to the local hospital parking lot. Most who see someone sleeping in truck, even getting in and out of the back thinks they you someone inside.

As far as being kicked off or not allowing camping, many cities have ordinances forbidding it because the gvnt want people to guess what, spend money on hotels and camp grounds. So its hard to blame the store for not wanting to deal with city government. I use to do it too for a night, its sort of built in security but big brother came down hard.

I am not banging the drum for them I just understand them. Unless you ever owned a retail shop, hard to explain to those who have not.
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Old 01-11-2020, 07:38 PM
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Their former customers spoke with their dollars. Maybe they actually got the message. Turn on the Second Amendment and you won't have any customers in your firearms department.

Good riddance. I hope they fold up and disappear.
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Old 01-11-2020, 08:21 PM
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LGS profit

They donít have any problem low-balling on trades.
I watched a LGS employee purchase/ trade, two handguns and a rifle (trade) for an over-priced Glock. They gave him $125 for Ruger MarkII (LNIB), $150 Beretta Cougar, and $150 for a Remington 700 with a decent Luepold. They could smell the blood in the water as that dude really wanted that Glock.
They talked his guns down...gave him $425...made him come up with $200 bucks and pay full tax...not even the tax on the difference.
I really wanted to tell the dude that the LGS was ripping him off but, he really wanted that Overpriced Glock.
The shop then put $325 on the Ruger, $450 on the Beretta and $900 on the rifle.
I will not darken their doorway with my shadow again.

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Old 01-12-2020, 07:24 AM
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I received a couple gift cards for the local Bass Pro for Christmas. Went into use them up and I was amazed at how few people were in the gun section. I struck up a conversation with one of the clerks and he was telling me how bad of a holiday season it was for them. We talked guns and prices but at the end of the day all the marketing in the world is not going to change market forces. For the most part, consumers are pretty smart when it comes to spending their money, especially us gun fanatics. It is still way cheaper to find your gun on the internet, pay the shipping and the FFL transfer than it is to go to a Bass Pro and pay the markup. Economics 101.
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Old 01-12-2020, 07:59 AM
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Exactly... When I bought my RIA 1911 a few years ago, I didn't go to Cabela's, Bass Pro, or some other LGS or whatever. Honest? I shopped around and ordered mine straight from Bud's Gun Shop in Kentucky.

Hold on a sec: {goes to fireproof Sentry safe box (birth certificates, marriage license, deed to the house, etc...}

Date: Aug 30, 2016
Bud's Gun Shop, Lexington, KY
Rock Island Armory 1911-A1, FS 5", .45ACP, model #51431
Price: $430
Credit card fee/no cash discount: $12.90
Shipping: $5
Insured shipping to FFL, Patriot Services, Richmond, VA
Total: $447.90

Date: Sept 6, 2016
At my local FFL (Patriot Services)
Tax: $23
Background check: $2
Transfer fee: $10
Total: $35 bucks

GRAND TOTAL: $482.90

Now... The question of the day is: Where else can you get a fantastic, inexpensive, 1911 for under $500 bucks without ever stepping foot in an overpriced LGS?
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Old 01-12-2020, 08:51 AM
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I’ve got a gift card for Dicks from Christmas, so at some point I’ll get over there to use it.
I stopped buying ammunition from them even before they implemented their anti gun policies.
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Old 01-12-2020, 08:56 AM
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Online purchases

When I had a heart that worked I went diving every chance I got. Online sales killed a lot of dive shops. Everyone got great deals but guess what? You can't refill a scuba cylinder from your computer. You need that local shop with a compressor chugging away in the back.

Growing up in a family business I try to support local shops when ever possible. My threshold is 50-100 dollars more than the online price. To me it is worth it to keep my neighbors employed. But I have to admit once we cross the $100 mark then I shop for a better deal.

As for dicks well they are dicks and will never go there again. Same with cheaper than dirt after they gouged their ammo prices after sandy hook.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:09 AM
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Selling a firearm to Cabelas is like trading in a vehicle to a car dealer. Just bend over and take it. I look at the used guns and shake my head. They want almost as much as a new one.
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:31 AM
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Growing up in a family business I try to support local shops when ever possible. My threshold is 50-100 dollars more than the online price. To me it is worth it to keep my neighbors employed. But I have to admit once we cross the $100 mark then I shop for a better deal.

As for dicks well they are dicks and will never go there again. Same with cheaper than dirt after they gouged their ammo prices after sandy hook.
I never minded and still donít mind paying more to support the local businesses around me (within reason).
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:27 AM
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I was lucky enough before the Asspro merger to find several "deals" on a some desirable used guns at Cabelas. However, after Asspro took over and installed trigger locks on everything, and subsequently refuses to take them off to feel the action, I won't even consider them as an option.
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Old 01-12-2020, 10:50 AM
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Exactly!

Mom and pops employ local talent and have better wages.
You can built a report with them.
Coffee pot and donuts.
Hang around a talk.
They have a connection and donate to local groups, ranges, clubs, F&G, etc, some are on the boards for voice of the people.
When they are gone they will gone.

Corp pay way more in taxes but lack talent due to wages.
Hard to build a report with the high turn over and corp policies.
Donate to national chapters that local groups rarely see.
And now they are in decline.

Web based warehouses have no connection locally, no report, no support, just a customer log in.
But the average new shopper is all about price and convenience, why go sit and talk to Tom, drink some coffee, eat a donut, spend some cash so Tom can pay taxes, his employees a living wage and support local ranges and clubs.



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When I had a heart that worked I went diving every chance I got. Online sales killed a lot of dive shops. Everyone got great deals but guess what? You can't refill a scuba cylinder from your computer. You need that local shop with a compressor chugging away in the back.

Growing up in a family business I try to support local shops when ever possible. My threshold is 50-100 dollars more than the online price. To me it is worth it to keep my neighbors employed. But I have to admit once we cross the $100 mark then I shop for a better deal.

As for dicks well they are dicks and will never go there again. Same with cheaper than dirt after they gouged their ammo prices after sandy hook.
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Old 01-12-2020, 11:42 AM
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Selling a firearm to Cabelas is like trading in a vehicle to a car dealer. Just bend over and take it. I look at the used guns and shake my head. They want almost as much as a new one.
Local Cabelas had a used Winchester 1300 pump on the used rack for $199. Clean gun. Next week they had a sale on comparable new Winchester shotgun at $200. I don't think they use the 1300 name anymore....maybe it was called the defender or something similar. But same gun really.

I thought the new gun was a real good buy at the sale price...probably better than any mom and pop could have matched.

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Old 01-12-2020, 12:58 PM
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Because Dickless is HQ'd here in Pittsburgh, the local business rag was gushing last week, over how their stance AGAINST guns is... "paying off."

In 'good vibrations,' presumably, because it sure ain't in their bottom line!
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Old 01-12-2020, 02:06 PM
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Local Cabelas had a used Winchester 1300 pump on the used rack for $199. Clean gun. Next week they had a sale on comparable new Winchester shotgun at $200. I don't think they use the 1300 name anymore....maybe it was called the defender or something similar. But same gun really.

I thought the new gun was a real good buy at the sale price...probably better than any mom and pop could have matched.
They once had a used hi-point for $200. I has to ask why and are you ready for the answer. 3 mags and original box
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:04 PM
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One of the Dick's in CT abruptly closed recently.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/consumer/d...ille-location/
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Old 01-12-2020, 05:24 PM
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This type of thing leads to nothing good for us.

All they do is have a retailer join in and follow the liberal politics of the moment, and then see where everyone goes to in order to get that item like gun or ammunition.

Issue is, they HAVE started drawing up ideas on getting rid of places like budsgunshop on the basis of "budsgunshop and other places like it, DONT do a background check before selling it to you and sending it to YOUR local FFL transfer person who does the NICS check on you at pickup."

At same time cabels was bought simply in order for that mega company to split into two separate entities and sell off separately.

actual stores and a website retailer.
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Old 01-19-2020, 11:48 PM
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Sorry to say, but some facts stand in the way of the theme of this thread.


Second quarter sales at Dicks in 2019 were at a three year high. https://thinkprogress.org/dicks-spor...-78e1cbb7b23c/


More of the same in the third quarter. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/26/dick...s-outlook.html


I went into a well-known national department store a couple of times recently. Dead as a door nail, one clerk to cover the entire second floor. Many buyers, including myself, shop online whenever possible. Though, sometimes you have to see and touch the merchandise.
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