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Old 01-31-2019, 06:25 PM
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Buy once cry once? Was your first car a Mercedes? Was your first pistol a custom Colt Combat Elite? That old saw jes don't fly...
To answer your question, no, and no, but the first car wasn't a Yugo either, nor was my first pistol a Jennings or a Taurus. My purchases are tempered by price, combined with what research I'm able to do with very little reliance on word of mouth. If 100 people tell me that a product is a piece of c**p, and I read reviews and Forum threads to that same end, I'm not going to go out and buy it, just to see if I'm the lucky guy who gets a good one, or I fool myself into thinking I can make it run, just because two or three people reap praise upon it and say how much they like it, and how reliable it is. I pass on it, and if what I decide is best for me is economically out of reach, I wait until it is within reach, then I buy a quality product and enjoy using it. So, yes, it does fly.
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:23 AM
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To answer your question, no, and no, but the first car wasn't a Yugo either, nor was my first pistol a Jennings or a Taurus. My purchases are tempered by price, combined with what research I'm able to do with very little reliance on word of mouth. If 100 people tell me that a product is a piece of c**p, and I read reviews and Forum threads to that same end, I'm not going to go out and buy it, just to see if I'm the lucky guy who gets a good one, or I fool myself into thinking I can make it run, just because two or three people reap praise upon it and say how much they like it, and how reliable it is. I pass on it, and if what I decide is best for me is economically out of reach, I wait until it is within reach, then I buy a quality product and enjoy using it. So, yes, it does fly.
Well said!
Funny how so many people choose to ignore overwhelming evidence............and then they get mad??
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:28 AM
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To answer your question, no, and no, but the first car wasn't a Yugo either, nor was my first pistol a Jennings or a Taurus. My purchases are tempered by price, combined with what research I'm able to do with very little reliance on word of mouth. If 100 people tell me that a product is a piece of c**p, and I read reviews and Forum threads to that same end, I'm not going to go out and buy it, just to see if I'm the lucky guy who gets a good one, or I fool myself into thinking I can make it run, just because two or three people reap praise upon it and say how much they like it, and how reliable it is. I pass on it, and if what I decide is best for me is economically out of reach, I wait until it is within reach, then I buy a quality product and enjoy using it. So, yes, it does fly.
Personally I don't rely on "internet wisdom" much and especially with Lee Haters spewing stuff. If one did their research they would find that 80% of the Lee complaints are just people parroting what they read in a forum and another 10% can't/don't read instructions and 9% are "mechanically challenged" and have difficulty operating a hammer...

I have used Lee tools and equipment since 1969 but I must admit progressive presses, whether it be Lee, Dillon or Hornady, just don't fit my lifestyle so I don't own one and cannot comment on the accusations. I have tried to duplicate some complaints from Lee Haters, but for the most part I have been unsuccessful. But, I am a lifelong machinist/mechanic and I do know how to use tools, and I can usually look at a tool or piece of equipment and see how it is designed to work, and see very little wrong with Lee tools/equipment that cannot be directly blamed on the "user"...
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:07 PM
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I don't consider myself a Lee hater, but I did own a Loadmaster and found it to be the absolute bottom of the barrel in reloading equipment. So far, all of the negative Lee products seem to be aimed at the Loadmaster, so i'm not the only one who had/hated it. As far as the other Lee products, I hear nothing negative about their single stage or turret presses, and I still have some Lee dies that I use for handgun rounds that I don't shoot a lot of and couldn't justify the cost of Dillon or RCBS dies justo load a few rounds at a time. I also have a Lee hand held press that I use for quickie jobs where I don't have a specific die set up such as rifle case expanding. No issues with it either.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:58 AM
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Again, to echo Kimberguy, the only big complaint are the progressives. Mikld, your 80% claim would be completely false if we are specifically referencing progressives. 80% truly have experienced and DO complain about these repurposed toaster ovens. This is not ďparrotingĒ, it is true. Guys with mechanical experience that are able to fabricate parts in their garage are absolutely essential to operate such a thing. These examples should not be taken into consideration. The dang thing should work right outta the box, it does not! I think the new ones do come with a Harry Potter wand though!
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:59 AM
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Each manu of presses makes presses that excel in specific areas. Not one press will do every step of reloading perfectly. Because of this, you will always have trade offs. I've heard of complaints about presses regardless of what color they are. the one thing that seems to ring true however is the manufacturers will stand behind their products. Dillon is fantastic to get your press completely rebuilt if it's blue and just somewhat resembles a press. Lee is fantastic if you're just starting off and are on a budget. Redding has perhaps the sturdiest presses that I've used. Hornady and RCBS make great dies and reliable machines. This doesn't mean they're not without their faults. The presses with what I can extrapolate have the least faults are Reddings. I almost never hear of problems with them. So does this mean their CS is non-existent? I don't know as I never hear of people having to contact them. So find a press you like and get used to using it. As long as it's producing rounds that you want at a rate you want. stay with it. More importantly, teach someone else how to reload to pass this down to the next generation.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:04 AM
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Kinda missing the point. Of course they all have little quirks. Your statement about ďas long as it produces ammo at a rate you wantĒ IS THE POINT.
Lee Progressives have wasted more of my life fixing, tweaking and fabricating than they ever gave back by actual load time.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:01 AM
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ive used a pro 1000 for over 30 yrs never a issue all the guys I shoot with are blue guys and that's all I hear mine just keeps on ticking and way cheaper im going to buy a new one set up for 380
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:31 PM
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As I said before, there are always a few guys who have the mechanical savvy and patience to keep one running, or they just happened to get lucky.
Maybe the 1000 is one that is OK, i don't know. I just don't know of anyone with a Loadmaster that was happy with it. The one I had only took 30 days of my life. Others are not so lucky.
I'm happy with the blue and green.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:32 AM
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ive used a pro 1000 for over 30 yrs never a issue all the guys I shoot with are blue guys and that's all I hear mine just keeps on ticking and way cheaper im going to buy a new one set up for 380
Most guys are probably giving you the business because you are seating and crimping in the same station. The three holer was a little better than the Loadmaster and maybe you got one in a hundred that worked. If you are decapping and priming OFF of the press (which many do to bypass the ridiculous priming system) and then seat and crimp with separate dies, I get it. Thatís what I did. Not much of a progressive at that point though.
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:14 PM
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Methinks Walter should take his sharp stick and put it where the sun don't shine.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:43 PM
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Well, thats rather rude...Ö.
Especially considering his view point is spot on. The mental anguish and skinned knuckles are akin to a stick in the eye. Also, the fact that it will drive you insane to the point of sitting in the dark urinating in a mason jar!!
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:11 PM
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I have used a Lee Classic Turret press for years with Lee dies.
I have replaced a few wear parts parts but after years and quite a few thousand rounds I can not complain.
I think Lee is good equipment especially at the price point!
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:12 AM
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Indeed, but donít mistake the focus here. It is directed solely at the Lee Progressives NOT the turret.
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Old 07-04-2019, 04:29 PM
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While scrolling through all the Lee bashing and praise, the mild bashing and some praise of Dillon, I must say that I still use my Lee Turret. It works for me, and I HATE the primer system that Lee developed, when I have to load on Lee, I prime on Dillon! Works for me. Oh I do like my 550B, but it works now with three Lee Auto Drum powder measures sitting on caliber conversions (I did keep the Dillon measure for loading .45 acp) So Lee has a major display in my bench...I use Lee dies on most of my loads, RCBS and Hornady also get their use. Happy with Lee AND Dillon...
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:36 AM
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I'm one who has a Loadmaster that works...now. I found one that was being sold, with all the bashing of them, seemed like challenge. I have a lengthy mechanical background, the Loadmaster I bought had a few upgrades and mods done to it. I FULLY understand why some get real pissed at these, not only is there a lot more going on that one has to pay attention to compared to a turret press, having EVERYTHING adjusted correctly is critical. Once I learned to keep my eye on certain things ALL THE TIME, and have all my adjustments where they need to be, it works fine. Yes, I squashed several primers, 'popped' several more, (having the wife come into the garage to make sure I hadn't done any real damage a couple of times helps to keep focused, lol). I've loaded a couple thousand without any issues for a while, I had almost no problems with large pistol primers, the small pistol primers were the buggers, getting the ram that pushes them into the case adjusted was the trick for those and keeping the primer unit clean. My unit was modified with a small set screw that adjusts the pivot arm, makes getting the primer ram adjusted easy.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:32 AM
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As stated before:
1) Constant monitoring
2) Altered, parts fabricated or modified
3) Crap priming system
4) Decent mechanical background a must

With all of that going on, just a couple hundred $$ more for complete freedom!
A couple hundred bucks! Címon......ya spend that at Chuck E Cheese for a birthday party, take the kids swimming and buy a decent press!
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:50 AM
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Ya mean grand kids...and I like them too much to take 'em to Chuck E Cheese. At some point I might look into a Dillon, probably a 550, seems like that's the one that would suit me best, then I would be able to make a realistic comparison. For now, if it ain't broke...
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Old 07-06-2019, 02:47 AM
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I spend probably too much time on the internet, a lot of it following various topics and folks on YouTube.

This has always been one of my favorite high tech machinery reloading videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc

And yes, that is the late Richard Lee himself in the vid.

Awesome video.

Really does me good to see it.

There is a heap of overthink (and over-spending) that can take hold if one lets themselves get pulled down that hole.

Mr Lee's demonstration of the Lee Loader is a great thing to watch every now and again.
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:57 AM
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Ya mean grand kids...and I like them too much to take 'em to Chuck E Cheese. At some point I might look into a Dillon, probably a 550, seems like that's the one that would suit me best, then I would be able to make a realistic comparison. For now, if it ain't broke...
Iím not trying to personally attack, please donít take it that way. If you are getting by, thatís all that matters if you are happy. I will leave you with this thought though. My first progressive experiences came in the early 80ís. 2 loadmasters and a Pro 1000 from a Midway catalog. There was zero internet and you had to figure stuff out yourself. No one told me squat about these things, no reviews or Youtube to help guide your decision. I just thought the difficulty I continually ran into was a normal thing. Over a decade of ďcompromisingĒ and I said to myself, I gotta find something better! Dillon was my first choice and I cannot stress how much better these things are. You say you want to make a realistic comparison, well, go to the Dillon site and watch their vids, visit a dealer, do anything but suffer for a decade. Iím just trying to save people from making my same mistake. Happy shooting nonetheless!
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:42 AM
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I spend probably too much time on the internet, a lot of it following various topics and folks on YouTube.

This has always been one of my favorite high tech machinery reloading videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc

And yes, that is the late Richard Lee himself in the vid.
Never saw that one before... nice piece of history! I'd love to have checked a few of his powder dumps on a good scale, just to see how inconsistent it was. I know when I weigh powder, it's down to a couple kernels. (or less depending on powder) He didn't even fret much over getting the scoop level.






Suspiciously absent from Richard Lee's video... a Lee progressive!

just having fun!
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:26 AM
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o you don't have to break the bank to purchase a far better press like the Rock Chucker or something made from cast iron that will last a couple of lifetimes.

Another hater who's likely never even seen a Classic Turret press.
Mine is cast from recycled railroad tracks - steel.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:19 PM
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There will always be tool snobs and those that will blame inanimate objects for their failings. I understand I may have an advantage because I have a pretty good mechanical grasp (life long machinist/mechanic) but all my Lee equipment can be used quite successfully by a 6th grader with midlin' mechanical understanding, and ability to read instructions. Yes, I guess I get sorta POed at those who constantly bash Lee tools and the only tools/equipment worth owning is whatever they are using. I worked with Tool Snobs of the highest degree for 25 years, and most had the mind set that "if it ain't SnapOn it's sh**". I see the same in reloading; "if it ain't RCBS (or insert the equipment they use), it's junk"...
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:32 PM
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[QUOTE=Nitro.45;12876442]Iím not trying to personally attack, please donít take it that way. If you are getting by, thatís all that matters if you are happy. I will leave you with this thought though. My first progressive experiences came in the early 80ís. 2 loadmasters and a Pro 1000 from a Midway catalog. There was zero internet and you had to figure stuff out yourself. No one told me squat about these things, no reviews or Youtube to help guide your decision. I just thought the difficulty I continually ran into was a normal thing. Over a decade of ďcompromisingĒ and I said to myself, I gotta find something better! Dillon was my first choice and I cannot stress how much better these things are. You say you want to make a realistic comparison, well, go to the Dillon site and watch their vids, visit a dealer, do anything but suffer for a decade. Iím just trying to save people from making my same mistake. Happy shooting nonetheless![/QUOTE]

Nope, didn't take it that way at all, thought you were doing your best to share your experiences. At some point in the future if the Loadmaster annoys me enough and finances permit, I would certainly look into a Dillon or equivalent. I'm SURE they are made with more effort put towards quality over price point. Craftsman tools might get the job done, not as well or as long as Snap On, I have both makers of tools, worked as a mechanic most of my life, ya get what you pay for. Right now, the LM is working just fine.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:14 AM
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There will always be tool snobs and those that will blame inanimate objects for their failings. I understand I may have an advantage because I have a pretty good mechanical grasp (life long machinist/mechanic) but all my Lee equipment can be used quite successfully by a 6th grader with midlin' mechanical understanding, and ability to read instructions. Yes, I guess I get sorta POed at those who constantly bash Lee tools and the only tools/equipment worth owning is whatever they are using. I worked with Tool Snobs of the highest degree for 25 years, and most had the mind set that "if it ain't SnapOn it's sh**". I see the same in reloading; "if it ain't RCBS (or insert the equipment they use), it's junk"...
Yeah, but come on........you canít compare cheap Taiwan Buffalo tools and SnapOn, thatís not a fair comparison. The Lee Safety Scale? Gimme a break, Iím not trusting a $20 plastic thing for what comes down to one of the most important tools you own! NO ONE is hammering on all Lee products. Just pointing out the fact that the progressives leave a lot to be desired. The scale thing is just absurd, it looks like a Fisher Price toy for the dollhouse!
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