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Old 09-09-2019, 04:48 PM
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My Taurus G2C Adventures

Consolidating some info from another thread so I don't have to retype it.

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I went to a nearby LGS and ended up buying a nice inexpensive truck gun, an all-black Taurus G2C with night sights. I had admired the Taurus but didn't know you could get it with night sights ($50 more). Went home and got a gun to trade in, to lessen the pain on my wallet. Shot it today; shoots low but accurately. I shot 50 rounds at various distances from 15 to 30 feet, then some groups at 75 feet; all using Remington UMC ball. At 75 feet with Hornady Critical Defense it got 3 of 5 shots in 7/8", 6.5" low of POA; the other two were 12" low and touching. So I need to adjust my sighting method for these sights; i.e., treat them as combat sights and just get the front sight on the target, rear sight low. It is after all a SD gun.

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Breaking in my Taurus right now. Having an issue with feeding, for some reason. The first 50 or so rounds all fed fine, then problems started cropping up. This was irrespective of which of the two mags I was using. Disassembled the mags, smoothed the followers, lightly oiled the springs. No help. Still looking into it. Just polished the mags' feed lips and both the barrel''s and action's feed ramps, and will shoot it tmw. Primarily using the very reliable and good-feeding Remington UMC ball ammo.

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Update on the Taurus. Looks like the issue is the mags after all. Rounds will nose dive sometimes as they feed. I'm thinking it's the design of the front of the follower. Might also call Taurus to see if they have an updated mag. Looking into Sig P226 mags as a replacement, after some Youtube research. Also ordered an upgraded SS recoil spring assembly from Lakeline LLC.

Today: Went to the range and tested the mags. Nope, still FTFing twice per mag. Grabbed a Sig P226 15-round mag off our rental gun, loaded it up, it fed all rounds flawlessly. Gonna tinker with the G2C mags more to see if I can mod them successfully.

I don't want to deal with Taurus CS, which from dsk's thread I have learned is horrible.

Another issue I am having is that it is very hard to rack the slide to chamber a round from a full mag, just using my thumb and the edge of my index finger. I have to use three to four fingers on one side and the heel of my hand on the other. With no mag (or an empty mag, if I want to lock the slide back) it racks easily.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:15 PM
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Think I have the feeding issue licked. Took mag 1 apart and increased the angle of the spring where it meets the follower, to put more pressure on the front of the follower. Comparison pic tmw when I get better lighting. Shot 11 rounds, everything fed perfectly. I'll shoot a few more mags worth out of this one, and do it to mag 2 if mag 1 continues to feed well. Mag 1 will still hold 12 rounds, but I have to use my whole hand on the slide to cycle the first round into the chamber. With only 11 rounds in the mag, it loads easily with just thumb and index finger.
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Here's a pic I just took of my two mags. The one with the white dot on the baseplate is mag 1. The spring angle at the top isn't really any different than mag 2's, but you can see that the spring end is angled differently. Spring 1's end is angled more downwards; i.e., the near side is more upwards, and I think that makes the difference. Spring 2 is unmodified. I have since modified spring 2 to look like spring 1, and am taking them to the range today to see how they run.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:37 PM
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Went to the range today, same story. Mag #1 worked well for two mags' worth of ammo. Mag #2 had a FTF at about round 4 or 5. So took it home and tweaked the spring again. When I go back tmw, I'll bring my needle-nose so I can tweak it right there.

I also installed the Lakeline SS guide rod and spring set ($28.95), which came today while I was at the range. Definitely looks to be higher quality than the stock setup with its plastic guide rod, and small spring being slightly arched. I will also order their SS striker guide ($16.95) to replace the stock orange plastic one. Not too concerned about the need for this from a reliability standpoint, but supposedly it does help slightly with the trigger feel.

I will also be buying a Mec-Gar Sig P226 18-round mag, just to know i have a proven mag for the gun. (OK, plus more range fun, and as a backup mag.) I already ordered the 3D-printed mag sleeve for it from this vendor on eBay. $9 shipped.

So once I get all these other parts, I'll be about $400 into the gun (remember, night sights). My P365 I'm into for about $650, with two extra mags (12 and 15 rounds) to augment the stock 10-rounders.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:31 PM
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Thanks for timeline and how you may have fixed the problem.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:12 PM
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The two I owned (PT-111 G2, virtually the same gun except with a lawyer lock) never had failures to feed but they did have serious extraction issues. I had 5 mags and all ran fine. I ended up selling one of them, but I kept one and so far it's still running okay since coming back from Taurus. But yes, their customer service stinks on ice. Seasons change and your kids grow up and move out of the house while you're still waiting to get your gun back.

EDIT: Actually I went back and re-read my original thread, and the two pistols I had mistakenly received as replacements had numerous failure-to-feed issues. And that was with the same mags I've been running my two pistols with. So the fault was with the guns, not the mags. Something to keep in mind while diagnosing yours.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:59 AM
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The two I owned (PT-111 G2, virtually the same gun except with a lawyer lock) never had failures to feed but they did have serious extraction issues. I had 5 mags and all ran fine. I ended up selling one of them, but I kept one and so far it's still running okay since coming back from Taurus. But yes, their customer service stinks on ice. Seasons change and your kids grow up and move out of the house while you're still waiting to get your gun back.

EDIT: Actually I went back and re-read my original thread, and the two pistols I had mistakenly received as replacements had numerous failure-to-feed issues. And that was with the same mags I've been running my two pistols with. So the fault was with the guns, not the mags. Something to keep in mind while diagnosing yours.
Thanks. I still suspect the issue is the mags, in my case.
a. First mag now runs well when shooting, after tinkering with it.
b. P226 mag also ran well when shooting.
c. Second mag hangs up consistently about 1/3 - 1/2way through. Nosediving strongly suspected.
d. When cycling rounds through by hand, I am getting jams with both mags. Mag #1 far less frequently than mag #2, which is almost every round. When I get to the range today, I will borrow the P226 mag again and see how it does with hand-cycling.
e. The feeding process is pretty straightforward on semiautos. I have polished the barrel's feed ramp, which seems like the only mod that might be needed on the gun itself. Never had such severe feeding issues with any other gun.

When I was first breaking it in, I alternated between the mags. They had been loaded up overnight to help break in the mag spring. When I got to about 50 - 60 rounds, I started having feeding issues. Until then there were none. So each mag had about 25 - 30 rounds through it, then all of a sudden, problems. Now that could argue for it being a gun issue, not mags. But the P226 mag works great, so.....

Interestingly, racking the slide with a full 12 rounds in the mag is a chore--presumably by heavy pressure on the bottom of the slide from the top round, which I think is caused by a severely-compressed mag spring. By leaving just one round out, no problem. So I will now load only 11 into the mags.

EDIT: Just took both mags apart again and re-tweaked the springs for a more upward slant at the top front. They both are now hand-cycling perfectly! :-) Hopefully that will continue at the range with actual shooting.
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Old 09-12-2019, 01:38 PM
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Back from the range with my magazine report.

Both functioned well with the Remington UMC ball. So I tried four more ammo types:
Hornady Critical Duty 135gr
Hornady Critical Defense 115gr
DRT 85gr HP
Aguila 124gr FMJ ball

The mags/gun would only cycle the Critical Duty. The other three were FTFeed on the first round out of the mag, i.e. hand-racking the slide.

Went and got the Sig P226 mag. Gun fed/fired/ejected all types of rounds perfectly. So it's definitely a Taurus mag problem. Went to my fave LGS and ordered two Mec-Gar P226 18 rd mags, $23 apiece.

Got home and went to work on #2 mag's follower. (#1 seems a bit more reliable.) I sanded down the highest part so that there is less of a slope at the front. I'll try it this way, and if needed can sand it down more. Trying to get a flat-top effect here. I'll check the results at work tmw, and take my needle-nose and sandpaper for more work on it so I can retest it the same day, to save a trip back to the range.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:08 PM
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Just be careful you don't end up wasting $300 worth of ammo trying to fix a $200 handgun.
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If you think Taurus CS stinks, try Ruger, Henry, Lee Reloading, Kimber. Not only does the item come back not fixed, it is usually either scratched/banged up or doesn't work at all
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6" low at 25 yards would not even get my attention - that's about 2" at 7 yds which is a much more likely distance for a pocket pistol and pretty good targeting. Maybe you're holding a little '6:00-ish'?
The only reason I came here is because I suddenly realized that I might be interested in a G2 and a G2C. I like my older 24-7 Pro .45. Its one of those that was recalled but mine has always worked great. Plus, I put night sights on it. Its one of those guns that seems right to my hand and it has a manual safety that was carried over in the G2. The G2 would replace my CZ75 P-01 and the G2C would replace my Kel Tec P-11. I require a manual safety for a striker-fired pistol and the trigger lever safety doesn't count.
I never have taken to the P-01 and the Kel Tec has that really hard pull, but I'll probably keep it - that thing has been with me for a long time. Maybe I'll send it to FL for a 'fluff and buff'.
Anyway, if the G2 fits me like the old one, I'll buy both of them. They are selling locally (G2) for $250. Then I'll most likely let the P-01 go.
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The funny thing is, I've been carrying the G2c for half a year now. I bought 2 spare mags the same day I picked it up, and I've fed it S&B 115, 124's and a whole mess of handloads: lead, rn, tc, hp, coated and jacketed .. 95gr, 115, 124, 135, 147.. Lotsa' testing, all about 4 to 8 yards. (where I'd expect trouble)

Never had a single FTF or FTE. Never had a magazine act squirrely. I usually just drop a round in the chamber, slam it closed and slap in a full mag for carry. At the range I either thumb in a few rounds and rack it, or I use the maglula to pack the mag.

I was trying to adjust the sights this week, and I give up: it readjusted itself while I was shooting and it's ALWAYS low, left. Groups are iffy, but I've loads for 135 and 124 that shred the targets nicely - Low. And left. (Hey, it groups with them so I blame me).

If I didn't have a Kareen showing up next week & BHSS stuff to get, I'd invest in a truglo rear sight and take a file to the front sight. The Lakeline LLC SS guiderod/spring and the SS firing-pin/striker guide are nice and I've used both since the day I bought this thing new.

It's not my EAA Witness 45, and I doubt it's comparable to the Kareen/HP - but it shoots reliably and when desired; it's comfortable. I dunno if I should plan to sell it off or keep it for.. emergencies.

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Old 05-21-2020, 10:17 PM
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The funny thing is, I've been carrying the G2c for half a year now. I bought 2 spare mags the same day I picked it up, and I've fed it S&B 115, 124's and a whole mess of handloads: lead, rn, tc, hp, coated and jacketed .. 95gr, 115, 124, 135, 147.. Lotsa' testing, all about 4 to 8 yards. (where I'd expect trouble)

Never had a single FTF or FTE. Never had a magazine act squirrely. I usually just drop a round in the chamber, slam it closed and slap in a full mag for carry. At the range I either thumb in a few rounds and rack it, or I use the maglula to pack the mag.
Like I said earlier, with these guns you either luck out and get a good one, or you end up with a $250 turd. Apparently there are more good ones than bad out there because a lot of people like 'em. The biggest problem is the complete absence of support if you end up with a bad one. Taurus will not sell spare parts to consumers, and if you have an issue you have no choice but to send it back to them and hope it gets returned fixed and before you end up so old you forgot you ever even had it.

The only good news is the fact that Taurus has re-instated its lifetime repair policy, even to guns previously sold with a one-year warranty. I guess they realized that if you're going to force end users to rely on you for even the simplest repair issue you'd better be willing to pick up the tab.
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That's interesting about the Taurus lifetime repair policy. I haven't come close to needing it but its good to know, I forgot to mention earlier that another thing I like about my old G1 24/7 is the trigger - its light and smooth in DA or SA. It has a lot of travel in DA but for some reason this doesn't bother me - I guess its because its so smooth and light. And something else I've never needed but I like having it - the repeating DA trigger in case of a misfire. It's also convenient for dry-firing practice since it stays in DA until the slide cycles. You don't need any practice in SA mode because it is 'touchy'. In fact I have doubled before, basically unintended bump-firing on the forward motion of the pistol following the initial recoil. The solution to this was to always use 'follow-through' and concentrate on keeping the trigger pulled until the gun settles. For some reason I continue to like the thing and its being a 13-shot .45, it sometimes resides in my night stand or in the console or door pocket of a vehicle.
I don't think they make a .45 in this style anymore which is another reason to keep it.
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Trust me, there are things I do like about my G2. Until the SIG P365 came out it was one of the most size-vs-capacity efficient carry guns out there. The trigger is a bit funky, but not unmanageable. However I was without my two guns for four months just to have two $1.50 extractor springs replaced. One of the things to keep in mind regarding a defense pistol is that you either need an identical backup for carry, or at least have a good source for spare parts to get you back up and running if it goes down. Since I can't even buy a lousy $1.50 spring from Taurus it's no better than relying on some old gun that's no longer even made and that I can't get parts for. If I can't fix it myself if it goes down again it's just wasting space in my gun safe, since it's not a safe queen and is worth nothing on the used market.
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