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22 cal would not be first choice 359 75.90%
22 cal is my first choice 114 24.10%
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:12 PM
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Will a 22 cal really have any value?

So I keep hearing this survival advice that if the power goes out, shtf, or any of the other scenarios of doom that a Ruger 10/22 or some other form of 22 pistol or long gun is the best for survival as a must have or first pick gun. You can carry a lot of ammo as it is light and you can still defend yourself and family if need be. And also use it to hunt for small game and even big game if you are a good shot.

Personally I think if the SHTF. Hunting will be useless as I am sure people will kill just about everything alive so fast that that option will be gone in a month or less. Any city deer and other small game will disappear as soon as the first shot goes out. 330 million hungry people have to eat and if they have to I am betting they will eat just about anything. Including each other. Dogs and Cats will become quite valuable. Any local farms with any livestock will be attacked or defended by groups of people and a 22 will get you nowhere. If it goes past 3 weeks I am thinking a 22 will be just about useless. You will need to defend your food,water,shelter and heat.

Sorry but this ability to carry 1000 rounds of 22 rimfire vs a couple hundred rounds of 45 cal or a shotgun with 3 or four pockets full of shells. I am taking the 45 or shotgun.

Am I right or wrong?
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:18 PM
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:48 PM
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As usual, it depends on exactly what s--- hits the fan, where, and what color. In your scenario 330 million people suddenly left to fend for themselves will quickly consume each other, and it probably won't matter what gun you pack if you don't have lots of other fellow people on your side with guns as well.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:31 PM
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As usual, it depends on exactly what s--- hits the fan, where, and what color. In your scenario 330 million people suddenly left to fend for themselves will quickly consume each other, and it probably won't matter what gun you pack if you don't have lots of other fellow people on your side with guns as well.
Yep, depends on the circumstances.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:19 PM
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As usual, it depends on exactly what s--- hits the fan, where, and what color. In your scenario 330 million people suddenly left to fend for themselves will quickly consume each other, and it probably won't matter what gun you pack if you don't have lots of other fellow people on your side with guns as well.
Even if its just 1 outage in a major city and the people cannot get out. If its Martial Law and you are stuck. Weather related etc.... I just do not see the use of a 22 over just about anything else. Give me a scenario where the 22 rifle is best choice.

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Old 08-16-2015, 06:43 PM
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... Marshall Law...
I'm pretty sure it's 'martial law.' Unless someone named Marshall gets elected king of the world.
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Old 08-17-2015, 04:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's 'martial law.' Unless someone named Marshall gets elected king of the world.

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Old 01-31-2016, 12:17 PM
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Even if its just 1 outage in a major city and the people cannot get out. If its Martial Law and you are stuck. Weather related etc.... I just do not see the use of a 22 over just about anything else. Give me a scenario where the 22 rifle is best choice.
A 22 has no recoil. They are accurate. Ammo is cheap, less bulky, and weighs nothing. Many have high cap mags. Easy to care for.

Many deer are poached each year with a 22. I have seen treed bears and cougars taken with them. They will kill small game quickly and with little tissue damage.

They will kill a human. Or zombie.

My bug out bag has two 22s. A 10-22 with a half dozen 25 round mags and a Browning Buckmark 6" with 4 mags. I carry 1000 rounds.

As for wanting a scenario well if I shoot you twice in the head with a 22 or once in the chest with my 45 will you be any less dead?
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Old 02-01-2016, 11:06 AM
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A 22 has no recoil. They are accurate. Ammo is cheap, less bulky, and weighs nothing. Many have high cap mags. Easy to care for.
if you search hard you can get 9mm for about the same price as 22lr these days. not saying 22lr is not a useful round, but in this context i think i would have stock of stuff bigger than 22lr. thats just me.

for "preparedness", i would opt for a larger round than 22lr. ballistic tip 22mag might be in my inventory for certain use (longer range deer, coyote, turkey, etc), but i would probably seek to stock up on 9mm.

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Old 08-16-2015, 05:35 PM
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FWIW, Israeli MOSSAD effectively uses the .22lr.
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Old 09-26-2015, 10:49 AM
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FWIW, Israeli MOSSAD effectively uses the .22lr.
Effective for head shots at close range with a suppressor. Don't get me wrong a 22 will kill you with proper placement which can be very difficult in a deadly encounter.

With that said every home arsenal should include a 22 rifle and maybe a pistol and plenty of ammo for hunting small game. The game may be hunted out within a year but will come back after the human population experiences a huge die off if the kind scenario envisioned occurs.

A rifle of .223/5.56 or larger is essential for defense because if you have assets you will be found by the 2-legged predators.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:34 PM
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Long term living off the land, maybe after world wide epidemic or Nuclear crises and there's not many left, or many generations after the big event and your scrounging like Mad Max's. It's fictional anyway, carry what you want. Maybe in these times, many people would consider it the end of the world if we didn't hear about the freakin Kardasions or cell phone service disappeared.
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:56 PM
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You should be specific in your description. Do you mean .22LR, .223, 22-250. When you say .22 cal that could mean a lot.
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Old 09-23-2015, 12:43 PM
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You should be specific in your description. Do you mean .22LR, .223, 22-250. When you say .22 cal that could mean a lot.
When people say "22" we understand that to mean .22 rimfire, at least everyone I know does.
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Old 09-23-2015, 03:23 PM
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When people say "22" we understand that to mean .22 rimfire, at least everyone I know does.
Yup!
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Old 08-16-2015, 09:23 PM
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Any given item has a value relative to it's need and usefulness.

A .22 lr rifle is good for varmint control and small game hunting.

Rats, Nutria, Squirrels, Rabbits, Possums and Prairie Dogs all have a "Value" as a small game animal and can also be nuisances.

A .22lr can be a very effective way of eliminating these as a pest while minimizing damage to surroundings and the meat.

There are also, as pointed out, many different ".22" rounds including the .223 just as one example.

While I personally don't have one, there are enough .223 proponents that I'm not going to totally short change it as a viable round for a variety of reasons.
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Old 08-16-2015, 11:55 PM
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I'd take a .22 rifle over any pistol period. I'm not going to be worried about concealment in a shtf situation. And I'm, as I'm sure are most people, a hell of a lot more accurate with a rifle.
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:54 AM
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Hmm, having to choose between my 10/22 or AR in a SHTF situation?

I'll take the AR, thank you. So yeah, I'll choose a .22 caliber.
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:13 PM
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My personal SHTF choices are threefold. You need a good basic handgun that's tolerant of abuse and neglect, that accepts the most commonly available ammo. That's the epitome of a Glock 17 or 19. The envelope needed to carry a 17 or 19 and 100 rounds of ammo on your person isn't much of a burden.

Next you need a standoff weapon. My choice is a 14.5" AR in 5.56. it's good out to as far as you'd ever need to shoot and it packs a lot of firepower into a lightweight package, especially if you keep it simple and uncluttered.

Finally, you're really going to want something more discreet than either of those if you have to use it for anything other than taking down large game or immediate defense. For that, there's nothing in the world better than a 10/22 pocket rifle with a can. It will fit into a small satchel or backpack. It will quietly take any game you might encounter, or vermin for disease control. In a pinch, it would serve well as a standoff weapon in tight quarters. Think about it, nothing has pinpoint accuracy like a .22LR. Whether it's a foot, hand, ear, eyeball, whatever... if you see it you can hit it inside 100 yards. You can carry a ton of ammo in ready to go 25 round increments, plus a lifetime supply will fit in a small vehicle.

The short barrel keeps even bulk pack ammo subsonic, so it's very quiet with the can attached. If you don't have one, you're also missing out on a ton of fun. Here's what I'm talking about if you've never seen one:









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Old 08-18-2015, 08:15 AM
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My personal SHTF choices are threefold. You need a good basic handgun that's tolerant of abuse and neglect, that accepts the most commonly available ammo. That's the epitome of a Glock 17 or 19. The envelope needed to carry a 17 or 19 and 100 rounds of ammo on your person isn't much of a burden.

Next you need a standoff weapon. My choice is a 14.5" AR in 5.56. it's good out to as far as you'd ever need to shoot and it packs a lot of firepower into a lightweight package, especially if you keep it simple and uncluttered.

Finally, you're really going to want something more discreet than either of those if you have to use it for anything other than taking down large game or immediate defense. For that, there's nothing in the world better than a 10/22 pocket rifle with a can. It will fit into a small satchel or backpack. It will quietly take any game you might encounter, or vermin for disease control. In a pinch, it would serve well as a standoff weapon in tight quarters. Think about it, nothing has pinpoint accuracy like a .22LR. Whether it's a foot, hand, ear, eyeball, whatever... if you see it you can hit it inside 100 yards. You can carry a ton of ammo in ready to go 25 round increments, plus a lifetime supply will fit in a small vehicle.

The short barrel keeps even bulk pack ammo subsonic, so it's very quiet with the can attached. If you don't have one, you're also missing out on a ton of fun. Here's what I'm talking about if you've never seen one:









Looks like a fun 10/22! As a sidebar, have you had good luck with the Remington Subsonics pictured? I've had quite a bit of difficulty with them, and I have thousands of the things... they seem to be very inconstant, some are supersonic, others are so sub sonic that they don't cycle the action.

To return to topic, a .22LR would be at least a second, probably a third or forth gun for me, defiantly not my one and only. I would want a gun/caliber combination that is EFFECTIVE for both hunting medium sized game and EFFECTIVE for defensive use. The .22LR doesn't fit this requirement; while it is capable of killing both medium game and people, it is NOT effective at doing so.

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...but depending on how good you are, a .22 in the eye at 25 yds will stop the fight as well as any other rifle
This isn't really true, even a shot through an eye may lack the energy to do enough damage to be instantly incapacitating... not to mention that 25y is NOT precision shooting ranges; its CQB, flash sight picture distance...
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:02 PM
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Looks like a fun 10/22! As a sidebar, have you had good luck with the Remington Subsonics pictured? I've had quite a bit of difficulty with them, and I have thousands of the things... they seem to be very inconstant, some are supersonic, others are so sub sonic that they don't cycle the action.

To return to topic, a .22LR would be at least a second, probably a third or forth gun for me, defiantly not my one and only. I would want a gun/caliber combination that is EFFECTIVE for both hunting medium sized game and EFFECTIVE for defensive use. The .22LR doesn't fit this requirement; while it is capable of killing both medium game and people, it is NOT effective at doing so.

This isn't really true, even a shot through an eye may lack the energy to do enough damage to be instantly incapacitating... not to mention that 25y is NOT precision shooting ranges; its CQB, flash sight picture distance...
Remington subs are The Worst Subs Ever Made.

I've had great results with CCI and stellar results with Fiocchi sub HP's (22FHPSUB).
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Old 08-19-2015, 07:30 AM
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Remington subs are The Worst Subs Ever Made.

I've had great results with CCI and stellar results with Fiocchi sub HP's (22FHPSUB).
I agree, sadly, I bought TONS of the damned things several years ago- caught a 'good' deal.

I prefer CCI segmented subsonics; reliable, consistent, and a hands down the best bullet design for .22LR out there. Sadly, I haven't seen them in stock in a few years. I don't believe they've made a production run since the Newton shortage.

Whats the accuracy and terminal performance like with the Fiocchi?
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Old 08-19-2015, 07:50 AM
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I agree, sadly, I bought TONS of the damned things several years ago- caught a 'good' deal.

I prefer CCI segmented subsonics; reliable, consistent, and a hands down the best bullet design for .22LR out there. Sadly, I haven't seen them in stock in a few years. I don't believe they've made a production run since the Newton shortage.

Whats the accuracy and terminal performance like with the Fiocchi?
The CCI segmented subsonic are a great choice.
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Old 08-23-2015, 11:35 PM
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I agree, sadly, I bought TONS of the damned things several years ago- caught a 'good' deal.

I prefer CCI segmented subsonics; reliable, consistent, and a hands down the best bullet design for .22LR out there. Sadly, I haven't seen them in stock in a few years. I don't believe they've made a production run since the Newton shortage.

Whats the accuracy and terminal performance like with the Fiocchi?
They've killed everything I've shot with them DRT (dead right there). The HP on them looks identical to the CCI, but the accuracy is simply phenomenal in my Savage FV-SR. It's a one hole group at 25 yards and opens up to about 0.75" at 50.
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Old 08-06-2016, 12:20 PM
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I would be fine with a 22 but I have much more ammo in 223. There are just so many primers and cans of powder so
Long term you are talking about bows and arrows and flintlocks. You have to hope things get straightened out before you have to resort to that.
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