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Old 09-02-2011, 02:40 PM
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CCI 22 LR SV "Factory Seconds"

CCI 22 LR standard velocity loads are generally the default load for my Camden High Standard Super Trophy, as these older pistols are constructed from carbon steel and high velocity rounds can crack the frame. Anyway, I was in my local urban large gun store the other day, and noticed that they had 200 count CCI SV white boxes labeled as I described in the title: "Factory Seconds." My basic question is if any of you have any idea what these are like and exactly what the "Factory Seconds" means, i.e. are they manufactured loads with "mild" variation, or are they really reloads? In which case, I've always wondered about reloading rimfire cartridges, since there'd be a firing pin indentation which seems like it could be an issue to me. The other, obvious reason for the question is that at this gun store, they're half the price of the regular CCI SV loads that come in the plastic 100 count containers, though I've gotten my CCI SV through an on-line supplier in the past which come in the 50 count cardboard boxes and are a bit less than in the plastic containers.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:39 PM
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I can't imagine that an ammo company when sell "seconds" unless it is a cosmetic defect only
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:45 PM
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I can't imagine that an ammo company when sell "seconds" unless it is a cosmetic defect only
Ditto. The problem has to be merely cosmetic. And if they're made by CCI they're likely good ammo.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:55 PM
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Some poster made another reference to these a while back.

But if I remember correctly they purchased 5,000 of them and they were packed loose instead of the way that they normally come.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:25 AM
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But if I remember correctly they purchased 5,000 of them and they were packed loose instead of the way that they normally come.
Yes, I think that's correct--I didn't shake the boxes, but it seems that they are loose bulk packed--that's OK with me--that's why the loads in the nice 100-pack plastic containers are higher than in the cardboard containers. Loose bulk packing is OK with me.
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Old 09-03-2011, 08:42 AM
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If I came across some at a good savings.

I would buy a box or two. I would then try them, and if I had no issues. I would not hesitate to pick up a bunch of them.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:58 AM
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You can get tools and supplies to reload .22s. Hardly seems worth the trouble, but the "preppers" liked it.

http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:48 AM
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You can get tools and supplies to reload .22s. Hardly seems worth the trouble, but the "preppers" liked it.

http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/
That’s kinda funny considering that they won’t be able to find projectiles when the SHF. Even if you can....just buy it loaded!
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Old 01-26-2020, 11:02 AM
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Saw and copied this from another forum where the OP asked the same question via email to CCI directly:

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CCI's e-mail response.

CCI seconds are rounds that do not meet our specifications for misfire rate, accuracy or velocity. These are rounds of ammunition that are sold on the seconds market at discounted prices. These rounds are still safe to shoot they just do not meet print specifications for quality and reliability.
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Old 01-26-2020, 01:32 PM
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At least they are being aboveboard about it.

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Saw and copied this from another forum where the OP asked the same question via email to CCI directly:
A lot of these ammo makers would just package these rounds up with everything else and ship it out as premium ammo.
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Old 01-26-2020, 11:30 PM
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Saw and copied this from another forum where the OP asked the same question via email to CCI directly:
Id NEVER trust "seconds" from CCI. When I got a case of 22long ammo from them, they felt that 30% of the ammunition needing 3 or 4 firing pin strikes on different parts of the rim to ignite was acceptable. They also felt that the 1 in 5 that failed 4 firing pin strikes, was acceptable.

They also felt that bench resting the rifle, and at a range of 20 yards, having the bullet shoot 2 - 4 times at zero, then suddenly hitting 6 inches low was also acceptable.
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Old 01-27-2020, 06:25 AM
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Are you saying those results are from the “seconds”?
Or, off the shelf standard velocity?
I have never had an issue with any of their ammo (or primers), although I have not tried their seconds. For what it’s worth, I have shot several bricks of CCI Blazer 22’s and was pleased with their performance in auto loaders.
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Old 01-18-2020, 01:46 PM
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I am not going to reload any rim fire. The shellholder would have a charged case & you'd possibly put pressure on the rim. No thanks!
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:47 AM
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I am not going to reload any rim fire. The shellholder would have a charged case & you'd possibly put pressure on the rim. No thanks!
Yeah, no way!
Besides, how many of us don’t have 2 generations worth rat holed by now anyway?? My kids won’t have to worry about buying any!!
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:49 PM
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I would NEVER buy ANYTHING labeled as FACTORY SECOND in terms of rimfire ammunition.

And I sure as hell would never buy something labeled as factory second in a box with a CCI label on it.

I have 70 year old Russian ammunition that I consider to be higher quality then "factory first" rimfire from CCI.
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Old 01-19-2020, 08:43 AM
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Oh C’mon Shaver, CCI is some of the best stuff available at that price point.
It beats the hell out of “Thunderbolt”, “Lightning”, “Bucket-O-Bullets” and a whole bunch of other cheap junk rounds. Even the old copper washed Winchester X-Pert that used to be good is crap.
We are not comparing CCI to Eley Tenex, but it works good!
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Old 02-04-2020, 12:18 PM
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Couple of relevant notes;

CCI now has SV target ammo sold in 50 round, lighter blue paper boxes marked with a red stripe with TARGET on it. It has the same last 4 digits (0035) as their other SV, 40 gr, target loads with a muzzle velocity of 1070 fps. However, this newer ammo has a lot more problems with failure to feed/eject in several semi-auto target pistols. Bullseye shooters avoid this ammo like the plague and CCI hasn't solved the problem yet.

The Aguila (made in Mexico) .22 LR cartridges are no longer "Eley primed". They are now using their own, newer priming compound - probably the spray on type. However, I've used thousands of Agula ammo in my target pistols with very few problems. Their SV "Super Extra" 40 gr. ammo is a bargain.
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Old 02-05-2020, 06:36 AM
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I want the glass crap back dammit!!
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Old 02-06-2020, 12:06 AM
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I want the glass crap back dammit!!
honestly I think that's why the 22 hornet and 223 are so popular.
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Old 02-06-2020, 06:47 AM
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Because rimfire went to crap? Quite a bit more firepower!
Never went squirrel hunting with an AR.......probably not the best idea to launch that thing randomly in the trees with bullet travel up to 4.5 miles!
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:54 AM
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Because rimfire went to crap? Quite a bit more firepower!
Never went squirrel hunting with an AR.......probably not the best idea to launch that thing randomly in the trees with bullet travel up to 4.5 miles!
people have no issue with safety while shooting squirrels or crows in trees with something called the 17 hmr. THAT is dangerous.. and since they started making full metal jacket for it..... even worse
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Old 03-07-2020, 10:19 PM
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The go-to CCI SV made (perhaps) late 2018 and first half of 2019 (p/n 35) often seems to have very low velocity - too low to run slides on pistols that were happy with the non-red-banner CCI SV. However, at least some "J" prefix rounds seem to be OK. We may never learn what went wrong.
Acquila Pistol match competition seems to work well.
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