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Old 04-09-2010, 06:05 PM
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dilema - throw down gun?

alright here is the situation - BG invades house with evil intent

question? do you grab your Ed Brown and comence to put and end to the confrontation

OR

do you pick up your equally as deadly brand x .45 ACP?

now assume "good guy" prevails and BG dies

you know full well that the authoritities will be keeping your fine shooting iron for as long as it takes for the legal machinery to run it's course

even if justifiable is the criminal law end result, certain civil procedures make keep the ball rolling for many more months to come

I ask this as it has come to my attention that I would #1 NOT like to have this fine firearm away from home for a long time and #2 heaven forbide some "gunsmith" disassemble to look for "illegal modifications"

have others of you bught a less expensive but 100% reliable 1911 for home defense? Or a "plastic gun" in the event that this scenario would arise? perhaps the tactical shotgun is of considerable benefit in just such a situation?

is it possible to own a gun that is TOO GOOD to shoot someone with?

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Old 04-09-2010, 06:09 PM
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FUEL FOR THOUGHT or DISCUSSION?
No. If you ever have to shoot somone a $2000 pistol will be the least of your worries.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:30 PM
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I'm in Texas. As long as it's a clean shoot, it won't be long until I get it back. All of my guns are higher end. My cheapest 1911 is $1,500. But, if someone comes in my home I'll be picking up the Noveske, so my carry gun will be safe in it's holster.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:36 PM
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I know some guys that have Browns;but,won't carry them because they might be confiscated or some such.

Seems counterproductive to me.

PS:I do not have a Brown.
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:01 PM
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No. If you ever have to shoot somone a $2000 pistol will be the least of your worries.
+2. If I need to defend myself, I want to do it with the best gun I have, one I carry.
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:36 PM
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You live in the country so I would look to having a rifle for home defense over either shot gun or pistol. And you mention your wife has mostly rifle experience so her comfort level is good over a pistol which she is less practiced with. On top of the rifle being a much better fight stopper.

In response to your original thought, I do not in the least worry about having my primary sidearm impounded. I keep a quality backup carry piece*, that I'm confident in, for such an event.

*Quality backup carry piece = a second Ed Brown Feel free to use this logic when you explain to your wife the importance of having another Brown.

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Old 04-10-2010, 03:36 AM
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I won't say I wouldn't use a 1911 for home defense but I'd prefer a good scattergun over one. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 etc....can't go wrong with one of those workhorses in whatever configuration works best for you.

If you MUST use a pistol....the most simple to operate and most reliable would not be a 1911. It wouldn't even be a Glock. I don't care if it's the nicest, highest performing 1911 out there....I'll take a S&W revolver ANY day. It's simply more reliable. You get a dud? Doesn't fire? Keep pulling, you could have the crappiest ammo or the worst luck and I figure ONE of those rounds is going off . For home defense a wheel gun is my go to when it's not a shotgun. The last thing I'd want to do rolling out of bed at any given hour of the night is having to fumble with racking a round or deactivating a safety.....it's easier for me to rack a shotgun than a pistol when I'm woolheaded and sleepy eyed and even easier to pick up a revolver and squeeze a trigger.

I have two 686's that I have set up the way I like....I won't miss one of them too terribly much while it's being processed by the police or whatever it is they do. Also have a 5' 44 mag. I've been wondering if keeping some 44 specials in the mag might be better than a .357 magnum. I kind of switch off. I don't shoot much 44 so I wouldn't miss that gun much either. I'd DEFINITELY miss a high end 1911.

Like others here have said before me...I'd be worried about any possible legal repercussions after the fact. I value my families lives, my life, my freedom and then my property in that order. I'd be worried about either my freedom or property if I had to actually shoot someone at that point. You never know what can happen with our legal system. Especially here in California.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:06 AM
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God forbid it happens at my house. The bad guys will get 77gr mk262 out of my colt M4 until they stop.

I do find it odd that nobody has mentioned the following in regards to defending their abode:

1) Dogs, alert you and get the sleepies shaken out of you.
2) Get to your safe area, dial 911, put it on speaker.
3) Do not go out and play operator, stay put.
4) If they breach your safe zone and find you, announce, "I am willing to defend myself" while on the phone with the police.
5) If they don't and attempt to assail you, well, they picked their doom and you will be subject to whatever consequeces the law may deem.
6) One story, yours, should be the one the only one told. Dead criminals cannot twist the story to their advantage. "I thought is was my house, I was wasted."

Make sure whatever weapon you use has a light on it as well. IDENTIFY THE THREAT.

I'd rather my rifle/pistol with rail than a shotgun due to my house's layout.

An SF with a rail and noght sights would be fantastic for those wanting a pistol for HD.

I also agree with the comment by Carrots, who cares about what you use monetarily? if you have to defend yourself and the gun gets locked up, then it does. You are alive, hopefully well and at some point you will get it back.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:03 PM
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#2 heaven forbide some "gunsmith" disassemble to look for "illegal modifications"
Would you happen to have an example of a justified shooting where a "gunsmith"
disassembled the shooter's weapon to look for "illegal modifications"?

What would be some examples of illegal modifications to a 1911?

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Old 04-09-2010, 07:38 PM
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I agree with carrots. The lawsuit will keep your mind off your gun. Even if it is justified you will be sued.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:49 PM
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I agree with carrots. The lawsuit will keep your mind off your gun. Even if it is justified you will be sued.
Depends where you live.
Here in Florida, if it is a legal shoot
there is no basis for a civil suit.
http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:11 PM
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Yeah we have the castle Doctrine here in ohio also and it helps a lot but chances are you are going to end up in court no matter what. Hold on let me think. Come to think about it. About a month ago a guy came home to find three guys in his house and he shot and killed one and injured another one and within a week he was cleared of all charges in toledo. Still i could wait to get my talon back and if it was messed up which it surely will be then it would be a good reason to get it refinished.
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:29 PM
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I must be missing something!

This is a trick question right.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:59 PM
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2 of my Browns are bought for protection. A Kobra Carry and a 5 inch Special Forces.

If these guns are in rotation and someone is needing to be shot, they will be used to stop the SOB of tring to hurt me or my wife.

I'm not looking for trouble, but I am ready in the event it ever would happen. I'm not worried about the pending lawsuit as I have insurance thru the NRA exactly for this cause.

When the gun is returned to me, it would be worth more to me as a bit of history is forged into it's S/N.
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:28 PM
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I agree with carrots. The lawsuit will keep your mind off your gun. Even if it is justified you will be sued.
You live in Ohio Bro..ever hear of the Castle Doctrine and how it protects homeowners from lawsuits
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Old 04-10-2010, 05:04 PM
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Read post number 10 of this thread and you will see i know that.
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:02 PM
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Old 04-14-2010, 10:03 AM
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If some POS BG came into your home and caught you by surprise and was about to rape your wife and kill her but said to you right before... give me $5000 and I will leave and not touch her. $50,000?
Would you pay him? I would think so...

So a $1500 dollar handgun makes BG push daisies, in lieu of the aforementioned crime.... Small price to pay. Use whatever works, and put some well placed holes into the scumbag. Worry about the gun later... or get a nice shiny new one to celebrate
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:07 PM
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:45 PM
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I call shotgun!
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:49 PM
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Id use my Brown, or Baer depending on which one is pulling guard duty. My wife would be so happy that I saved our bacon Im sure she would spring for a replacement.


Why anyone would consider handing over the gun that they didnt use is insane and asking for jail time.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:26 AM
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wrong impression given

You are absolutely correct in that "throw down gun" implies not the one used in self defense.

NOT what my post intended to convey. What I originally intended to state is that I am so impressed with the quality of the EB firearm that I would not like to be without it for the duration of a prolonged investigation. So what I tried to write was that if I were going to shoot someone with a .45 ACP why not use a less costly but still vERY reliable and accurate 1911?

For example a STI Trojan sells for around $999 list price, and by many hands on reports, is a very reliable and accurate shooter. I would rate my missing a STI Trojan somewhat less than doing without my EB Kobra.

Upon further reflection of my original post - THIS IS A TRIVIAL, PETTY and MEANINGLESS PERSPECTIVE on my part in consideration of a lethal force encounter.

Thanks again to the forum for helping me recalibrate my perceptions.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:05 PM
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You saw the error of your thinking.

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You are absolutely correct in that "throw down gun" implies not the one used in self defense.

NOT what my post intended to convey. What I originally intended to state is that I am so impressed with the quality of the EB firearm that I would not like to be without it for the duration of a prolonged investigation. So what I tried to write was that if I were going to shoot someone with a .45 ACP why not use a less costly but still vERY reliable and accurate 1911?

For example a STI Trojan sells for around $999 list price, and by many hands on reports, is a very reliable and accurate shooter. I would rate my missing a STI Trojan somewhat less than doing without my EB Kobra.

Upon further reflection of my original post - THIS IS A TRIVIAL, PETTY and MEANINGLESS PERSPECTIVE on my part in consideration of a lethal force encounter.

Thanks again to the forum for helping me recalibrate my perceptions.
And less importantly you were able to own up to it. That speaks well for you.

Keep your powder dry.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:41 PM
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In these days of economic issues, the number of crimes has got to go up. We all know that. Survival for the Bad Guys & their families/habits is all important to them. They don't care about the "other guy". We are the victims.. not the BGs. Protect your own self, and families. The most important thing in a shooting is your life & your family. A BG gets waisted too bad for him. I do have a problem with either rifles/shotguns in a house. They are hard to handle in tight spaces such as hallways & small rooms, where as handguns are not. Weapon retention is critical. In a physical confrontation a long barrel weapon can be taken away from you by the BG. A handgun is not as easy to get away. Keep the weapon close to your body also. Sticking it out there like you see dramatized on TV is only an "invite" for the BG to grab the weapon. Then you're up the creek without a paddle. But, a good clear shot with a shotgun will definitely put the hurt on a BG. Most States have statutes which protect a homeowner/person if his life is in danger. Get an attorney & "lawyer-up" as soon as you can. These State Statutes can usually be found here on the Internet under your State Government websites. I have been involved in shootings. It is not a "cake walk". It will change your life forever. My last shooting was over 16 years ago & I still relive it in nightmares ever so often. Just be prepared for that day if it ever comes calling on you. Practice, Practice, Practice.. have a Plan. Your heart will be pounding,your blood pressure will start going through the roof, you will be breathing hard as you pull the trigger. Do Not Miss.You may be the only one who saves your family's lives.
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:02 PM
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In these days of economic issues, the number of crimes has got to go up. We all know that. Survival for the Bad Guys & their families/habits is all important to them. They don't care about the "other guy". We are the victims.. not the BGs. Protect your own self, and families. The most important thing in a shooting is your life & your family. A BG gets waisted too bad for him. I do have a problem with either rifles/shotguns in a house. They are hard to handle in tight spaces such as hallways & small rooms, where as handguns are not. A good clear shot with a shotgun will definitely put the hurt on a BG. Most States have statutes which protect a homeowner/person if his life is in danger. Get an attorney & "lawyer-up" as soon as you can. These State Statutes can usually be found here on the Internet under your State Government websites. I have been involved in shootings. It is not a "cake walk". It will change your life forever. My last shooting was over 16 years ago & I still relive it in nightmares ever so often. Just be prepared for that day if it ever comes calling on you. Practice, Practice, Practice.. have a Plan. Your heart will be pounding,your blood pressure will start going through the roof, you will be breathing hard as you pull the trigger. Do Not Miss.You may be the only one who saves your family's lives.
Great post!

And a great, perfect lineup of weapons in your sig!

Regards....
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