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Old 11-25-2018, 08:34 PM
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Gun Buying Urgency

I was at a gunshow this weekend in St Charles, MO that I attend at least once a year and I speak with 10-12 folks every show, both buyers and sellers.

I do this for a couple reasons, one to gain more knowledge on certain weapons or other items and also to get a feel for the opinions on gun control and especially their urgency to get what they can before gun restrictions increase.

I was surprised to see that the urgency is almost as high as it was during the Obama years. People were buying more than they have in the last couple years and the main theme was their concern that the Democrats have the house effective in January.

Its only one house of Congress but they will be pressuring Republicans to do "something" and there is a fear they will give in.

Anyone else seeing an increase in urgency and/or concern?
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:31 PM
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I had a table at the big Tulsa gun show the first weekend after the election. We were all expecting an increase in interest and urgency, but it didn't materialize. The attendance was about as good as ever, but all the dealers agreed it was almost 100% "tire kicking" and not any real interest in purchasing. Perhaps it was too soon after the election and the reality of the situation hadn't set in yet.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:33 AM
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In any of my LGS's, I haven't seen any urgency in buying of either guns OR ammo, still good selections to choose from and no crowds or mobs - just one or two people here and there.

And moved here; it isn't 2A News.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:13 AM
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It is a buyer's market for guns and ammo.

Not for long!
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:19 AM
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I myself being a nobody, do not see or feel for any urgency to buy stuff at present. I can agree in that Congress is now impotent and will not be doing much of anything for the next few years. The GOP had a majority in the House and Senate as well as a GOP President and they still couldn't do anything. So it likely won't be much if anything anti-gun going on other than rhetoric from the anti-gun crowd. When Obama was president, he was doing executive orders to make life difficult for gun owners.

I wonder if President Trump reversed any of the anti-gun executive orders that Obama had done.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:07 AM
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People just don't see it coming yet, but they will. I look for a UBC and another AWB before the next election.

I say this because of the number of democrats in the house and the number of republicans moving toward the center. They only gained 2 seats in the senate. That isn't enough to insure that anymore gun control won't get to the president and I believe he would sign it being the populist president that he is.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:34 AM
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It is definitely a buyers market right now. I also was at Tulsa this year, 4th year in a row and the prices from most of the Dealers were as high as I have ever seen. Tulsa had more people than in the last 3 years in attendance. Our group bought 4 guns and we all had to really deal hard to get a price we would pay. I have never seen gun prices this high here, S&W 39-2 going from 750 t0 900 ??? Pythons going 4500 to 5500+ and one of them had been refinished with tellable buffing. Individuals bringing in guns were the best deals if they had what you wanted. But there was no panic buying at all. AR's sold few and far between. I have a show this weekend in Jasper Alabama and we will see how it goes.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:38 AM
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Tulsa - now THAT'S a gun show. Good luck at the Jasper show. I hope them pilgrims have money to spend........
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:22 AM
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People just don't see it coming yet, but they will. I look for a UBC and another AWB before the next election.

I say this because of the number of democrats in the house and the number of republicans moving toward the center. They only gained 2 seats in the senate. That isn't enough to insure that anymore gun control won't get to the president and I believe he would sign it being the populist president that he is.
Sadly, you may be right.

It sickens me that the R's had all 3 branches and got nothing done for 2A folks but once the dem's get a slim maj in a single branch, we are all expecting an AWB and more....

Seems that R's aren't worth a darn to anyone but dem's these days.
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Old 11-26-2018, 12:05 PM
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I myself being a nobody, do not see or feel for any urgency to buy stuff at present. I can agree in that Congress is now impotent and will not be doing much of anything for the next few years. The GOP had a majority in the House and Senate as well as a GOP President and they still couldn't do anything. So it likely won't be much if anything anti-gun going on other than rhetoric from the anti-gun crowd. When Obama was president, he was doing executive orders to make life difficult for gun owners.
This is true. For the most part Congress will be stalled. That will likely be good for working people, less damage done. The same is true for any attempt to restore the AWB. That does not mean that something won't get passed but it's not likely to be something devastating.

There will be more mass shootings and pressure will build. Efforts to picture all gun owners as potential killers will continue.

The state level will be different. Here damage will be done.

Sales of guns are uneven. Reports that top sellers are the "economy priced" handguns and long guns are common. Gun sellers in some areas continue to have a hard time and the industry have not gotten out of the slump of bankruptcy's, mergers, etc.

Things are not bleak at all. There is no panic buying. No runs on ammo. That's good.

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Old 11-26-2018, 01:14 PM
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Question for the OP..... Is there something political going on in Missouri that the rest of us dont know about??? You guys finally kicked out Claire McCaskill.....so.....what's driving the buying in Missouri???? Cause it's not happening anywhere else.
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:27 PM
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Haven't seen the need to go from safe to armory yet...
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:30 PM
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When the Left keeps talking about "starting a Civil War", Yeah, people want to protect themselves.
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Old 11-26-2018, 06:44 PM
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People just don't see it coming yet, but they will. I look for a UBC and another AWB before the next election.

I say this because of the number of democrats in the house and the number of republicans moving toward the center. They only gained 2 seats in the senate. That isn't enough to insure that anymore gun control won't get to the president and I believe he would sign it being the populist president that he is.
The new Republican senators are more conservative than the Republicans they replaced. Republicans' controlling the Senate can stop ANY DemocRAT legislation.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:32 PM
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There's been an uptick in buying semi-auto rifles here in WA thanks to I-1639, but nothing like a panic (yet). Come next June when the law takes effect there likely will be, though.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:49 PM
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When the Left keeps talking about "starting a Civil War", Yeah, people want to protect themselves.
They will not start anything along those lines. It's talk and if that scares anyone they ain't paying attention.

Pelosi will be speaker and that's a defeat for the extreme left of the Democrats, meaning a setback for the "progressives" and the Bernie/Euro socialist crew.

Look, there is a decades old pattern here. A new Pres. and tweedledee party gets elected and when they have both the house and senate for the first two years it don't last. Then tweedledum party gets control of one of them in the mid terms. You will recall that same picture with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. This is not all bad because it limits the damage anyone of them can do.

I also don't see any gun buying anxiety at present.

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Old 11-26-2018, 08:05 PM
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As a prisoner in this communist state that has determined guns and gun owners as evil...follow our trends...good indicators.

Pending additional restrictions on ammo drove a bit of a run on that...

More restrictions on buying guns (wait periods for long guns...or adding time between purchases) drove some...

Certain guns falling off roster...may cause a small run on that particular model...

Non of it was close to the Obama level of run...actually since Trump...things are somewhat back to normal.

Ironically, supposedly more libtards and their ilk have been arming themselves more because our once glorious cities are crapholes now.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:36 PM
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State level is another story. The empty suit progressive that was just elected Gov in Ca. combined with one party rule don't bode well for the 2nd amendment here.

But still doesn't seem to be a panic either. Maybe wages too low and cost of housing too high.

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Old 11-26-2018, 08:51 PM
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State level is another story. The empty suit progressive that was just elected Gov in Ca. combined with one party rule don't bode well for the 2nd amendment here.

But still doesn't seem to be a panic either. Maybe wages too low and cost of housing too high.

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AFAIK CA still doesn't have the technology to implement it's own brand of ammo registration. Yet.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:51 PM
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The only hysteria is on forums like this. NOTHING will happen with a republican led Senate, repeat nothing. Pelossi won't even have any traction in the house with their heads so far up Trump's ass with investigations and other BS
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:54 PM
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State level is another story. The empty suit progressive that was just elected Gov in Ca. combined with one party rule don't bode well for the 2nd amendment here.

But still doesn't seem to be a panic either. Maybe wages too low and cost of housing too high.

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I think the buying urgency will be on a state by state basis.

Some state are going full blown commie left with a gun phobia agenda, and some like Florida have retained a solid pro-gun representation at the state level... governor and state legislators.

The only problem I foresee is the new Secretary of Agriculture, a gun hating democrat which will oversee the CCW licencing. I can see that Democrat "monkeying up" the process making it harder to get a new CCW license and making it take 6 months to get a new license instead of 20 days.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:35 PM
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What the Hell does being the Secretary of Agriculture have to do with CCW licensing???
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Old 11-27-2018, 01:09 AM
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What the Hell does being the Secretary of Agriculture have to do with CCW licensing???
It's Florida for Christ sakes!!!!

Well it's officially the "Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services", and to correct myself, it's Commissioner of the Department of Agriculture, not Secretary, (my mistake).

https://www.freshfromflorida.com/Con...Weapon-License

and other stuff they handle:

https://www.freshfromflorida.com/Consumer-Resources

They handle licensing for not just CCW but a whole range of things, including some occupations, consumer rights issue, scales and weights used in trade, (They handle gas pump calibrations) and a range of consumer protection services in addition to the agriculture side of things. They way it was explained to me, they had an infrastructure to do background checks, print licenses, and had offices through out the state in almost every county, and so when they passed the CCW shall issue laws back in late 1980's, they got the task delegated to them to take in the applications, process them and print out the laminated ID cards. They will do fingerprints at their offices.

And as a little off topic side note... they are the ones responsible for us Floridians getting lousy oranges at the grocery stores in-state. They regulate the citrus industry and so they only allow the best, blemish free oranges to be exported out of the state. In that way, they are protecting the reputation of Florida citrus industry. The ones that don't qualify for the top grades, are not allowed to be exported out and so we keep them here and they get sold at our local grocery stores.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:14 AM
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Boy, there sure is a lot faith placed in Establishment Republicans here. The same ones that put up narry a resistance to Obama''s constant assault on our civil liberties and violations of the constitution. The same Paul Ryan that doesn't comprehend what "under the jurisdiction" means. The same senate majority that won't refert to the simple majority (51%) REQUIREMENT spelled out in the constitution for most business in the Senate, which is why they did practically nothing over the last 2 years.

I don't find much comfort at all.
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:29 AM
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OK, DaveVK, how far did Obama get with any increase in gun laws and reduction of your gun rights ??? Ah, nowhere and he had a liberal house early on. So....
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