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Old 05-28-2020, 11:17 AM
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No more guns in armored cars?

Strange thing: Yesterday I drove near a newer Brink's armored car on the highway.

From what I could tell, it seemed to have none of the Gun Ports usually seen on armored cars.

Are those days over? Have these companies (& their insurers) decided that the $$$ inside is chump-change compared to the potential "Bad Shoot / Accident" liability?

Anybody here have knowledge on this?
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:05 PM
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I drove an armored truck (not a Brinks) on a part time basis a few years back. The gun ports had been welded shut. That company did not want us to stand and fight, I was instructed to drive away, even if I had to leave the messenger behind. Bad guys were not after him or me, they would be after the contents of the truck. Always stop so that you had more than one way to exit. We did not have any long guns in the truck, only handguns.
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:28 PM
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Yeah, still handguns.
How stupid though....making a Brinks Truck a soft target.
Maybe they are afraid that the racist conservatives all have black hand grenades now and they dont want them to pry open the port and drop one in.
"Oh my, yes please, take the money, its not you're fault that you feel the need to rob us."
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:49 PM
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Liability concerns will be the downfall of our society. You can't stop a shoplifter because you might hurt him, you can't shoot a suspect because he'll sue you, you can't run a %&$# lawnmower anymore because of all the safety switches on it, and pretty soon we won't be able to own guns because of the risk of somebody shooting themselves with it.
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Old 05-28-2020, 01:58 PM
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I had a Philipino sailor working for me once.

He told me that he had been an armored car driver in Manila at one time. I asked him why he had quit that job? To which he replied by asking me if I had any idea how dangerous it was to be driving an armored car around Manila?
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:14 PM
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Liability concerns will be the downfall of our society. You can't stop a shoplifter because you might hurt him, you can't shoot a suspect because he'll sue you, you can't run a %&$# lawnmower anymore because of all the safety switches on it, and pretty soon we won't be able to own guns because of the risk of somebody shooting themselves with it.
And have you seen the new gas cans?
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:23 PM
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Liability concerns will be the downfall of our society. You can't stop a shoplifter because you might hurt him, you can't shoot a suspect because he'll sue you, you can't run a %&$# lawnmower anymore because of all the safety switches on it, and pretty soon we won't be able to own guns because of the risk of somebody shooting themselves with it.
And have you seen the new gas cans? [IMG class=inlineimg]https://forums.1911forum.com/images/smilies/pukehead.gif[/IMG]
Dear god don't remind me, it's so much freaking harder to use and not spill them
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:53 PM
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Liability concerns will be the downfall of our society. You can't stop a shoplifter because you might hurt him, you can't shoot a suspect because he'll sue you, you can't run a %&$# lawnmower anymore because of all the safety switches on it, and pretty soon we won't be able to own guns because of the risk of somebody shooting themselves with it.
dsk is absolutely correct. They control almost every aspect of our lives. They are the reason a lot of places post the o guns signs due to charging huge fees to have legal guns there. Like gun shows as an example.
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:57 PM
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Dear god don't remind me, it's so much freaking harder to use and not spill them
I bought a new lawnmower and gas can for my elderly mother last year. I have to go over there and use it for her because she can't operate the new gas can spout to fill the mower. Even I require three hands to do it.
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Old 05-28-2020, 02:59 PM
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Dear god don't remind me, it's so much freaking harder to use and not spill them
Tell me about it, I just spilled gas/oil mix all over my hot chainsaw. I took the spout and cut it off with my bandsaw.

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Old 05-28-2020, 05:03 PM
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Agreed on the gas cans! The new kind are so insanely dangerous, being so difficult to use without spilling highly flammable, & caustic fluids all over oneself & your hot equipment.

And the "ecological" fume-capturing design is (ironically) a massive fail when you spill a half cup on the ground every time you use it!

And yes, liability laws cause us more problems than they solve, in my opinion.

And as I've said before: A business posting a No Guns sign is NOT necessarily an Anti 2A establishment.

It's likely a requirement to get a liability insurance rate that they can afford to pay & still remain profitable & stay in business.

We are in a weird world. One where if you punch the guy at the next table, & he shoots you, you can sue the RESTAURANT for that!

What the hell?
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:29 PM
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Yeah, kinda depressing to realize how far we've fallen,,.
Back in the old days, (late '60s,) a friend of mine and I were taking a side street in Las Vegas in a commercial area and drove past a non-descript concrete building.
Parked out front was an armored car.
Standing near it was one guard with a Thompson, and a few feet away another guard held a shotgun.
I imagine that their was a lot of cash from the casinos in that car.
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:52 PM
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Gas can. Be sure to buy the filler hose that goes with it. Yeah, it costs forty bucks but in the long term it's worth it.

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Old 05-28-2020, 07:18 PM
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Agreed on the gas cans! The new kind are so insanely dangerous, being so difficult to use without spilling highly flammable, & caustic fluids all over oneself & your hot equipment.

And the "ecological" fume-capturing design is (ironically) a massive fail when you spill a half cup on the ground every time you use it!

And yes, liability laws cause us more problems than they solve, in my opinion.

And as I've said before: A business posting a No Guns sign is NOT necessarily an Anti 2A establishment.

It's likely a requirement to get a liability insurance rate that they can afford to pay & still remain profitable & stay in business.

We are in a weird world. One where if you punch the guy at the next table, & he shoots you, you can sue the RESTAURANT for that!

What the hell?
People with money will always end up being sued by those without, regardless of whose fault it is. When was the last time you ever saw a rich person sue a poor one?
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:19 PM
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Liability? I've been in the insurance industry for 38 years and I can tell you stories that would make you sick. Run away juries and a new term called social justice affect everyone. Every time you see one of these ambulance chasers on the TV you need to think that is a couple $100 bucks more in your car insurance. We all pay for those leaches of society.
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:32 PM
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dsk------------ You're right. Poor folks are "non-collectible" ----- they are, essentially, lawsuit-proof.

Bowdrie------- Armored car guy with a Thompson? Now THAT'S how to do it! I love that.

Sadly, I think those days are long gone.
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Old 05-28-2020, 08:39 PM
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Liability concerns will be the downfall of our society...pretty soon we won't be able to own guns because of the risk of somebody shooting themselves with it.
LOL!! I can see the warning stamped into the barrel, "DO NOT POINT MUZZLE AT SELF". It may sound silly but for decades now Zippo lighters have had a warning stamped on the works, to tell you that it doesn't put itself out and you have to close the lid.

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Old 05-28-2020, 08:43 PM
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Seriously?

Good evening,

I have been a member of the forum since 2006. I have spent many hours increasing my knowledge of many topics near and dear to my heart. I have not been motivated to reply to any post until today. As someone who has spent some time in the industry, it is irresponsible of anyone to offer inside knowledge of what may or may not be in an armored car. The men and women charged with guarding those vehicles do not get paid enough to increase their risk by improper supossitions. I humbly request the moderators lock and delete this thread.

Thank you!
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:56 PM
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The inside information is already out there. I spent 30 years in the Armored Business & did everything but ATM work. I didn’t work for Brinks I worked for a independent in Detroit. All the Armored companies had a huge employee turnover so there was plenty of inside information including the dollar amounts that were on the trucks on certain days like bank day. I knew a lot of the other companies employees because we went to certain main banks including the Federal Reserve. A Brinks messenger I knew back in the mid 90’s was servicing a grocery store on a Monday. He came out after he made the pickup & on the way to the truck a man followed him out of the store shot him & the the Brinks man was able to shoot the robber. The robber made it back to the get away car not being fatally shot. They were apprehended where it was discovered that the get away driver was the Brinks mans recently fired driver & the robber was an ex-Chicago cop & the cousin of the get away driver. The Brinks man died. Just one example while I was there.
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Old 05-28-2020, 11:56 PM
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That would be a great screenplay.
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:08 AM
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He told me that he had been an armored car driver in Manila at one time. I asked him why he had quit that job? To which he replied by asking me if I had any idea how dangerous it was to be driving an armored car around Manila?

When we lived off base at Clark, we had a Neighborhood Guard named Ortiz that used an M3 as his Persuader. One Jeepney driver kept barreling down the street, so Ortiz emptied a magazine into the Jeepney. Last time he ever did that.

Anywhere in the PI is "Dangerous" if you aren't "Friends" with the right people.

I'd imagine driving an Armored Car meant you had very few "Friends".
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:29 AM
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Likely the only friends that you really had.

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Anywhere in the PI is "Dangerous" if you aren't "Friends" with the right people.

I'd imagine driving an Armored Car meant you had very few "Friends".
In those circumstances, were the other guys in the truck with you. If even then?
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:44 AM
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The one I always remeber being the one that first stood out was the individual who sued McDonalds because they spilled coffee on themself and got burned.
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Old 05-29-2020, 02:17 AM
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Or a kitchen stove that has a warning that the burners will be hot when in use.
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Old 05-29-2020, 09:46 AM
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I had a fanbelt still in it's cardboard sleeve wrapper. Installation direction #1 was TURN OFF VEHICLE.

Note that liability suits existed at least a century before the McDonald's coffee case.

I think the first may have involved a railroad company transporting nitroglycerin on a passenger train. With bad results.

I don't think that ALL liability, or civil suits are bogus. But I DO think that the lower standard of proof, compared to criminal court, should be altered a bit.

I say add one more juror to the amount needed to tip a verdict in civil court. That small raise of the legal hurdle would instantly weed out a lot of the weakest, more frivolous cases.
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