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Old 05-26-2020, 10:11 AM
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Government 1911 .45 vs Full Size H&K USP45

I’m having a little discussion with myself on the subject of practically and I’m hoping for some input from others.

I recently went through a pretty tough break up. I gave my wife everything because I just wanted out and to get on with my life and sold almost everything to buy my way out. Worth it!

Basically though I’m starting over. I have a chance to buy back a HK USP I sold for $850, or a new to me Blem Dan Wesson Vigil .45 for $950. I just can’t figure out what is the more practical thing to do: Buy the HK because it eats everything, is ultra reliable and holds 12rds (with extra mags, and dang they are expensive to buy new) or buy the 1911 because I’m a 1911 guy, love the platform and I can work on it, upgrade it later, etc.

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Old 05-26-2020, 10:23 AM
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Much as it pains me to say it, I would buy back the USP. I love the 1911 platform, but it's hard to argue with 12 round capacity.

You can always pick up a 1911 later.
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:24 AM
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"I'm a 1911 guy"....I think ya kinda answered yourself.
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:27 AM
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iím having a little discussion with myself on the subject of practically and iím hoping for some input from others.

I recently went through a pretty tough break up. I gave my wife everything because i just wanted out and to get on with my life and sold almost everything to buy my way out. Worth it!

Basically though iím starting over. I have a chance to buy back a hk usp i sold for $850, or a new to me blem dan wesson vigil .45 for $950. I just canít figure out what is the more practical thing to do: Buy the hk because it eats everything, is ultra reliable and holds 12rds (with extra mags, and dang they are expensive to buy new) or buy the 1911 because iím a 1911 guy, love the platform and i can work on it, upgrade it later, etc.

What say you?
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:50 AM
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Depends on what you are going to use it for? Although both guns can do either, perhaps consider this:

A range gun: the 1911. Not familiar with Dan W., but usually a good 1911 will outshout most poly guns because of the awesome trigger as a start.

A bedside/HD SD gun the USP for the extra capacity.

Carry Gun, this is a little tougher, 1911's carry-easy, but have less capacity, users choice.

All of the above? Well, you will just have to pick the one your feel more comfortable with if your life depended on it (assuming you have shot both).
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:07 AM
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I had a USP .45, a good solid gun, but too big for my hands.
If yours wasn't grab it back.
As said, everybody is making a 1911 and you can add one later.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:20 AM
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The USP 45 is pretty dang big. I've got a USP Compact 40, have a great Vedder holster for it, but I rarely carry it. Too big and too wide. That all being said, the USP is such an outstanding fighting weapon I'd probably buy it back, unless you plan to carry it. You can always get a 1911 next.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:25 AM
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This pistol will need to do it all so carry will be part of the deal too.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:31 AM
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Both are great IMO, I have a USP Tac in 45, it has to be one of the most reliable hammer fired guns out there, arguably more so than a 1911. I mainly keep it for coolness and because I like it. If I had to use it for defense, obviously would not have a second thought picking it up,

but I connect better with the 1911 than HK....so I have 1911 pro on the nightstand w/ 10 rd mags and sacrifice 2 rounds. But I can put rounds on target faster, point shoot better if needed or panicked, and overall have more confidence with 1911. Also I personally find the 1911 much more enjoyable to shoot than the HK

At the end of the day, IMO its all about confidence and rounds on target regardless of capacity, (although capacity carries a lot of weight in the argument). So my question would be which do you shoot better

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Old 05-26-2020, 11:43 AM
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This pistol will need to do it all so carry will be part of the deal too.
Well, then I think it boils down to this (assuming you know you can shoot both well):

Size/ease of carry vs Total-firepower (it is almost 50% more, 13 vs 9)...Either one can work, the rest is user's choice.

Have you carried the HK when you owned it in the past? How did it feel doing so? Are you happy with the way it shoots for speed and accuracy in SD drills? (You already said it is reliable). If you can answer favorably with these maybe it is the way to go for you.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:01 PM
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This pistol will need to do it all so carry will be part of the deal too.
Well, then I think it boils down to this (assuming you know you can shoot both well):

Size/ease of carry vs Total-firepower (it is almost 50% more, 13 vs 9)...Either one can work, the rest is user's choice.

Have you carried the HK when you owned it in the past? How did it feel doing so? Are you happy with the way it shoots for speed and accuracy in SD drills? (You already said it is reliable). If you can answer favorably with these maybe it is the way to go for you.
Carried both, drilled with both. HK has that first double action pull which always kinda sucks no matter what. 1911s have that sweet sliding trigger which always breaks like glass.

Another thing, I’m concerned with how much I’ll need to spend on the 1911 to tweak it if it’s not up to speed from the jump. Or it could be GTG out of the box, Dan Wesson’s usually are.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:07 PM
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I'm with Jim, I have all the USP sizes and calibers and they are great guns. But for me the USP 45 grip is just too big for my hands.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:07 PM
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Carried both, drilled with both. HK has that first double action pull which always kinda sucks no matter what. 1911s have that sweet sliding trigger which always breaks like glass.

Another thing, I’m concerned with how much I’ll need to spend on the 1911 to tweak it if it’s not up to speed from the jump. Or it could be GTG out of the box, Dan Wesson’s usually are.
I forgot about that double action thing...I had a Berreata PX4 45, my first pistol, once I got a 1911 I sold it, don't like DA/SA either, that would disqualify any gun for me personally, and FWIW. My 3 plastic guns now are all Striker fired, my favorite being a PPQ-45 which almost has a trigger as good as my custom 1911's.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:13 PM
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One of the main attractions of the USP for me is the hammer, just the way God and JM Browning intended it. Striker fired pistols are the work of the devil and I can’t abide them.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:16 PM
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One of the main attractions of the USP for me is the hammer, just the way God and JB Browning intended it. Striker fired pistols are the work of the devil and I can’t abide them.
I felt that way too, until I shot a Walther PPQ, the triggers are really nice and the ergo's exceptional, I have both a 9 and 45...But I digress, to each his own, good luck with your decision, you will probably be OK either way you go.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:24 PM
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Thanks. I appreciate the input. I thought it would be a quick decision but it’s turning out to be a little more complicated, hence my post requesting objective perspectives.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:25 PM
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I have four USPs all with V1 triggers to be as close to a 1911 as possible, in this case since carry is mentioned I would say 1911 since a full size USP is freaking huge.

If you told me to pick for reliability I would pick three of my 1911s over my USPs since I've ran into ammo the USPs could not use by my 1911s did plus the trigger on the USP can gum up after a few thousand rounds and get really gritty and hard to fire if you have the match version.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:40 PM
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From what you say, I would go with the H&K. You know the gun and the extra capacity
could be helpful. - - - Dan Wesson was quite good, but since CZ bought them out, IMO,
they have become very proud of all of their products.

I have a CBOB that I got when the price was high $700s. The only problem I've had with it
is the over-travel screw moved to the point where it would not fire. Contacted CZ and
they gave me instructions on how to set it correctly, and I then used Lock-Tight to let it
know I wanted it to stay in place. - - - I'll also add that it took me several days of releaving
the edges to keep it from slicing my hands (SHARP edges).

Your choice, but if it were me, I'd go with a known firearm.
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Old 05-26-2020, 03:41 PM
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In the long runup to the HK, it was rumored that USP stood for United States Pistol.
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Old 05-27-2020, 09:43 AM
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I love shooting 1911's BUT if I could only have one gun it would be an H&K. Utmost reliability and enough accuracy. Less maintenance and will probably shoot any ammo except lead. (polygonal barrel)
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Old 05-27-2020, 09:47 AM
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Easy choice for me, 1911.

Much as my heart wants to love the USP they just don't work for me. Grip, controls location, trigger. Just all fail for my hands.

Plus, my Dan Wessons are ultra reliable and run on anything anyway.
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In the long runup to the HK, it was rumored that USP stood for United States Pistol.
It's supposed to mean Universal Service Pistol.

I'm a 1911 guy through and through, and if I could only own one handgun that's what I'd have. But it sounds to me like the USP might have sentimental value, since it was previously yours anyway. Buying it back might help soothe the pain of a nasty divorce. Like the others have said, you can always find yourself a good 1911 later.
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Old 05-27-2020, 10:22 AM
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I have small hands so I had to settle for the USP Compact .45 instead of the full size. For slow fire, the full size's larger grip dimensions don't affect me at all - rather obvious. However, for dynamic shooting, the grip is way too big for me to handle. Which is a shame because the Tactical/Expert/Match models are tack drivers.
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:02 PM
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If I had no full sized 45 and was starting over I would get another USP before a 1911. It is rated for 45 Super out of the box although now days if I want more than 45 +P has I will just move up to 44 Magnum or better.
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:45 PM
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If faced with the same choice as you are, John Wick would get the USP.
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