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Old 03-20-2020, 01:28 PM
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back in 2018 posted an artical about a police officer shooting in allentown pa....he was up for charges of manslaughter.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehig...4a7ad5394.html
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:57 AM
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I dont understand why police are given (and trained with) batons, mace and tasers...but they go to their sidearm every time to control an unarmed suspect.

Sounds like this cop got away with manslaughter, but I wasn't there, so...
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Old 03-21-2020, 11:13 AM
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I would submit that the cops don't go to their sidearm every time. Any such statement is imprecise at best. When you have been confronted by a demonstrably violent subject who is threatening you and capable of accomplishing the threatened action, report back here.
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Old 03-21-2020, 11:59 AM
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I dont understand why police are given (and trained with) batons, mace and tasers...but they go to their sidearm every time to control an unarmed suspect.

Sounds like this cop got away with manslaughter, but I wasn't there, so...
You may be right, I can't think of a single case where an unarmed assailant maimed or killed someone. Not many cops are MMA masters. But to use your logic, why do criminals who know the can or will get shot, continue to attack cops? All he had to do was stop, he would have lived that day and 1 or 2 families could have avoided financial ruin.

Less lethal options are great, given some time and the right circumstances... I suspect that since the jury came back with a not guilty verdict, there was sufficient evidence to support his action as reasonable. In reading the story it appears this guy may have been hopped up on drugs, as he was attacking cars and people and advancing on an officer with a gun pointed at him, ordering him to stop.
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Old 03-21-2020, 12:09 PM
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I would submit that the cops don't go to their sidearm every time. Any such statement is imprecise at best. When you have been confronted by a demonstrably violent subject who is threatening you and capable of accomplishing the threatened action, report back here.
Thank you!
I also submit, Police often have fractions of seconds to make decisions that prosecutors & jury's have hours/months to ponder.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:31 PM
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Going to their sidearm "Every Time" my butt!!!

Cops regularly go hands-on physical with perps. And most NEVER fire their gun on duty in their entire careers.

You guys are incredibly incorrect on that. You are clearly basing this "go to sidearm" baloney on what makes the news, which only happens when things go really sideways.

Every day in the US the police use non/less lethal means. Shootings result from a only a tiny fraction of confrontations. And Bad Shoots even less.
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Old 03-21-2020, 01:41 PM
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I dont understand why police are given (and trained with) batons, mace and tasers...but they go to their sidearm every time to control an unarmed suspect.

Sounds like this cop got away with manslaughter, but I wasn't there, so...
Nice try and it may have gone unchallenged had cops all over the country still not have body cams to film these events. There are now several shows on TV that document how regularly LE use less than deadly force to apprehend violent offenders.
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:02 PM
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I've sold a few homes to & for police officers plus I have a friend that's a detective & his son is SDPD patrol officer.

Street cops are often nursing injuries from tangling with perps. One I was in a condo deal with had two fingers, in splints, taped together. Later in the transaction I saw him again & I saw his splints again & asked "fingers not healed yet, eh?"

He said "yeah they healed. This is my OTHER hand" ------- sure enough, it was.
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:04 PM
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I dont understand why police are given (and trained with) batons, mace and tasers...but they go to their sidearm every time to control an unarmed suspect.

Sounds like this cop got away with manslaughter, but I wasn't there, so...
What I don't understand is why so many people refuse to obey a lawful police order... ?
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:29 PM
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Been there, done that. If I had someone coming at me and I felt that they would not respond to less than lethal I would go lethal before they could get to me. Why? Because there was always at least one gun there- mine. And I have had to fight for it.

I am 6'1" 250 and was in extremely good shape when I was an LEO. I have an extensive martial arts background and was also a self defense trainer. But I still had trouble handling people on drugs or with serious mental illnesses when their adrenaline kicked in.

If this guy was "attacking cars", there is a good chance he was in a state of mind that would have made him fairly impervious to less than lethal force. I was not there and will not judge the officer. That has been done and he was acquitted.
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:33 PM
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pretty simple ...

don't want to get shot by the officer or bit by the nice doggie?

do what you are told ....
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:14 PM
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You may be right, I can't think of a single case where an unarmed assailant maimed or killed someone. Not many cops are MMA masters. But to use your logic, why do criminals who know they can or will get shot, continue to attack cops?
Prisons are not exactly overflowing with geniuses.....
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:32 PM
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But to use your logic, why do criminals who know the can or will get shot, continue to attack cops? All he had to do was stop, he would have lived that day and 1 or 2 families could have avoided financial ruin.
Unless he's a mental patient who is off his meds. Guess you're for giving retards the death penalty as well, huh? I would say with no hesitation cops are WAY too quick to pull their pistol. Look at the West Point grad Erik Scott who was gunned down by Vegas police...and the corrupt motherfu*kers covered it up. Not to mention all the black people targeted for murder by the police. I call bullsh*t. Most cops should be given just ONE round...and made to carry it in their shirt pocket like Barney Fife.

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Old 03-21-2020, 08:12 PM
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I have always thought policemen should be at least 6ft and 200 lbs with a bigger chest than waist. It might go a long ways to solving the problem without using deadly force. This is coming from a guy that's 6ft 148lbs soaking wet. I know I would think twice before giving a big policemen any trouble even if I was the type to do it.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:26 PM
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But to use your logic, why do criminals who know the can or will get shot, continue to attack cops? All he had to do was stop, he would have lived that day and 1 or 2 families could have avoided financial ruin.
Unless he's a mental patient who is off his meds. Guess you're for giving retards the death penalty as well, huh? I would say with no hesitation cops are WAY too quick to pull their pistol. Look at the West Point grad Erik Scott who was gunned down by Vegas police...and the corrupt motherfu*kers covered it up. Not to mention all the black people targeted for murder by the police. I call bullsh*t. Most cops should be given just ONE bullet...and made to carry it in their shirt pocket like Barney Fife.

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One bullet, not even a loaded ctg?

C'mon flight medic, tell us how you really feel about police!
If you ever need a police officer, call a hippie!
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:36 PM
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C'mon flight medic, tell us how you really feel about police!
What, that they're all racist, trigger-happy murder-machines?



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Old 03-21-2020, 10:45 PM
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Per Statista: Police killed 1004 people in 2019

And they arrested 10,310,960 --------- Over TEN MILLION arrests!

Meaning that they, statistically, arrest over 3% of the US Population every year!

Can you imagine how many tens of thousands of these creeps don't go down easy?

Yet only 1004 get killed.

The cops DO NOT shoot often. Obviously.

They fight, they Taze, baton, sic dogs, you name it.
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Old 03-21-2020, 11:01 PM
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And they arrested 10,310,960 --------- Over TEN MILLION arrests!
But how many of the 10 million are the same repeat offenders?
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Old 03-22-2020, 12:18 AM
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It's just five dudes. But they are really, really bad.
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Old 03-22-2020, 04:22 AM
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Per Statista: Police killed 1004 people in 2019

And they arrested 10,310,960 --------- Over TEN MILLION arrests!

Meaning that they, statistically, arrest over 3% of the US Population every year!

Can you imagine how many tens of thousands of these creeps don't go down easy?

Yet only 1004 get killed.

The cops DO NOT shoot often. Obviously.

They fight, they Taze, baton, sic dogs, you name it.

Those are fake FOX News numbers.

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Old 03-22-2020, 07:06 AM
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Black Lives Matter[/QUOTE]

Now I’m gonna call b-crap, I consider this pure racism,,,,, “ALL LIVES MATTER” !!
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Old 03-22-2020, 07:11 AM
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Thread hijack over; a duly appointed jury found the officer not guilty. Period. Disparagement of the LEO community as a whole doesn't belong here.
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