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Old 05-29-2020, 06:47 PM
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Ummmmm I never said it was not coil spring. And pretty much every modern pistol has some type of firing pin block run by a "COIL SPRING" once again what's your point hell even my old 45-06 has a coil spring firing pin block. My 1911 has one. My cz.75 has one. My beretta has one. So what you are saying it's the springs fault? Hammer or striker fired are subject to the same firing pin block failure.
If the pre-travel of this pistol had been compromised the trigger bar may have been moved enough in the effort to do this that the block would have been clear. This can also be true of a 1911 S80, when correctly tuned the block is free of the firing pin at the point of the sear releasing the hammer, so if all pre-travel is tuned out by using the tabs on some 1911 trigger bows, the block will be clear before the trigger is touched, and is useless. If this was done to the Glock the trigger bar would have ridden the connector to near the striker release point. A vibration in the house could have been the last requirement. Bang. I really don't know, but do know it is possible.

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Old 05-29-2020, 07:10 PM
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The trigger has to be all the way to the rear to lift the block enough to let the striker pass. It would have to be stuck up.
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:22 PM
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It's very easy for it to seize, fire 2500k suppressed rounds in one day and let me know how freely it's moving vs when you first checked it. The spring also tend to break much sooner than other parts that would prevent the gun from working like the extractor spring for example. Other guns use much better systems to prevent that from happening in terms of spring strength and coil diameter or in HKs case a steel wire spring instead.

I'm saying that if you have a police trade in Glock like the three I have/had stuff can be worn that it can be unsafe and once again because of how the gun works you will not get a warning of this happening. On a CZ75 or 1911 or SIG 226/9/0 the hammer will follow if the sear or hammer surfaces are getting dangerously worn. The Glock will just wear out and you won't know it until it lets go or you drop it since most people don't inspect them.

Berettas don't rely on the spring to return to safe as much, if you haven't noticed it gets lifted against gravity to fire and it's also again way easier to check since you can just turn the gun over and see if it works.

It can and does wear out and I have seen dozens of shot to unsafe guns of every single make/type, nothing is immune to it and I've personally already shot three guns to that point with over 50k on each that required repair.

Why is this so hard to understand that things can and do fail if worn out? The OP even said it was a used gun and that he doesn't know how to inspect it, I'm not surprised at all there was an issue on an unknown state gun. I've bought used guns from WWII that would most certainly fire unintentionally in the state they were purchased in, had to be fixed. Doesn't mean anything was wrong with the design just that they were beat to hell

Lastly you are wrong, the striker system is more reliant on the FPB than any hammer fired gun. The 1911 is even less reliant on it mechanically than others

I mentioned the other pistols that use a coil spring in there block which is what you are saying broke or got stuck. My point was that this part functions pretty much the same in other pistols. And once its stuck up if you drop the gun the firing pin can move freely in all pistols. So this failure is not only for glock.

I never said the 1911 is as reliant as the glock for the block. Just simply how many pistols share that design. I also said that worn parts could cause a issue. I'm wondering if you are reading what I'm writing at all. If that police traded his gun in in that shape that is disgracefull as the block being stuck up would be easy to see if the slide was pulled. The striker is not getting past the block if it's there and down. Sorry that is the only way it's getting past. Just like pretty much every pistol.


Once again dose any one have any proof the glock can be fired at half cock? I'm seriously thinking of modifying a striker to fire at half cock and pull the block completly out of the slide as long as the extractor. Just to see if it will fire at half cock. So far. No proof that it's enough energy to light a primer.
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:29 PM
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I just looked at the engagement on the striker and how much its loaded when half cocked on my 17L. It barely pulls the striker back at all at half cock. Look for your self you can see the engage ment if you look through the back. I really dont think that would be enough to fire a round. Maybe not even enough to dimple the primer that bad.. It looks to pull it back about a 1/8 of a inch. That not a whole lot of enegery. The striker continues back the whole trigger pull. That's way further pulled back than at half cock. Which it's really more like 1/4 cock. Maybe 1/3.

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Old 05-29-2020, 07:41 PM
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The trigger has to be all the way to the rear to lift the block enough to let the striker pass. It would have to be stuck up.
YES! That's is what I said in the 1st or 2nd page! That's why I questioned if you read the whole thing were I went into more detail of what exactly could have gone wrong
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:43 PM
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I just looked at the engagement on the striker and how much its loaded when half cocked on my 17L. It barely pulls the steiker back at all at half cock. Look for your self you can see the engage ment if you look through the back. I really dont think that would be enough to fire a round. Maybe not even enough to dimple the primer at all.
I made a video that I posted here less than two weeks ago showing how much it actually cocks it in reality. Remove your barrel and recoil spring completely and put the slide back on and see where it first picks up the striker

You will be surprised how much weight and distance there is before the trigger goes live again
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:50 PM
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:56 PM
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Once again dose any one have any proof the glock can be fired at half cock? I'm seriously thinking of modifying a striker to fire at half cock and pull the block completly out of the slide as long as the extractor. Just to see if it will fire at half cock. So far. No proof that it's enough energy to light a primer.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:07 PM
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Thank you! But holy smokes that's 31 pages deep! Any one have a video of a glock igniting primers at half cock? I'm off to you tube to see if I find any videos.


Humm. Not one video of a glock going off at half cock. Man. Must happen all the time. I'm not saying it isnt possible. But ......

Can we get a picture of the hole in the wall? Maybe the back of the casing that was spent?

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Old 05-29-2020, 08:13 PM
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Tried it with a Glock 19. To make it work I had to remove the extractor, plunger, and spring. I dropped a primed case into the chamber and fiddled the sear with a punch and the armorer's plate. It fired, barely dented it but it fired. Ammo was Independence that I pulled the bullet from.
I'm not sure you'll believe any evidence presented unless you see it in person for yourself.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:21 PM
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I'm not sure you'll believe any evidence presented unless you see it in person for yourself.

Never said it's not possible.. highly un likely more like. I just want hard proof. May do it my self. Because I'm curious.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:33 PM
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I'm not sure you'll believe any evidence presented unless you see it in person for yourself.


Never said it's not possible.. highly un likely more like. I just want hard proof. May do it my self. Because I'm curious.
Put the whole slide in a vise after figuring out as I've mentioned where the striker rests for real and then with the FPB and everything else out of the way put a primed HST case in the chamber and draw the striker to the distance you marked and see what it does. Be sure to record the pop
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:36 PM
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I'm not sure you'll believe any evidence presented unless you see it in person for yourself.

Under further investigation. The crucible is completly supported when the trigger is in the forward position. It can not be pushed down to release the striker. I just tried with 2 punches. No go. The slide would literally have to be pryed up so far that it would ruin the gun to get it to let go. Looks like a modified striker will do the trick.
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Woof!

Pity that fellow.

It would seem to me that were Glocks going off "with no cause", police departments everywhere would be throwing them away left and right.

The video, by itself, makes no attempt at explaining what this Tyro had done to his Glock action, what parts were involved or what his IQ is.
I stand by my original comments and would rather inspect the service record and the person who was playing around with the action.

I had a long career as an Electric Vehicle Technician. I came to the conclusion early on there are techs and there are techs and there are Techs. In the same vein, there are gunsmiths and there are gunsmiths and there are Gunsmiths.
The same applies to doctors, lawyers, police personnel, auto mechanics and every other type of "professional" out there.
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OP: Were you taking Ambien at the time?
I don't know if your post was intended to be serious and I did not see any response to it. However, I do think the answer to it could be germain to the situation.

About 20 years ago I was staying overnight at a conference center while attending a meeting there. I was taking Ambien at bed time to help me sleep. On the last half day (morning session only) of the conference we had a 10:00 AM coffee break. At that time, I suddenly realized that I had not packed my bags nor had I checked out. I went to the front desk. There I was told by a woman that I had checked out at 7:00AM and that she was the one who did my checkout. I went out to my car, and there were my packed bags. My doctor later confirmed that he was sure that the situation was the result of the Ambien. I have never taken Ambien again.
Over the 20 years since that incident, I have tried to remember some piece of that blackout with no result. I do not remember anything about getting up, showering, getting dressed, packing, checking out, or putting my bags in the car. I also do not remember eating breakfast that morning which several friends say I did. It's like I suddenly came back to life at 10:00 that morning.

There are probably other drugs that could cause such a reaction. For some people, taking Ambien could be far more dangerous than consuming alcohol while armed.

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I read about a truck driver who couldn't recall how he got to the state he wound up in.

Did they take Ambien off the market?
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I read about a truck driver who couldn't recall how he got to the state he wound up in.

Did they take Ambien off the market?
Nope! It's still prescribed.

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Thank you! But holy smokes that's 31 pages deep! Any one have a video of a glock igniting primers at half cock? I'm off to you tube to see if I find any videos.


Humm. Not one video of a glock going off at half cock. Man. Must happen all the time. I'm not saying it isnt possible. But ......

Can we get a picture of the hole in the wall? Maybe the back of the casing that was spent?
Yeah, I donít think thatís gonna happen. Besides, heís had too much time to get his drill out. I want to see the exit wound on the tv in the other room!
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Nope! It's still prescribed...
I guess there's too much money in it.
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I believe the OP stated that the gun in question was going to an independent armorer for evaluation. I hope he posts the results as opposed to ... only by PM.
We're really just a fun bunch of boys and girls.

As someone who did independent forensic work to discover the truth, when mishaps occurred with marine electronics installs on civilian and government boats, I would agree with his not sending it to Glock at first.

I'm pocket carrying the G36, in a holster these days, and do enjoy its kinda SAish sloppy trigger.

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Old 06-01-2020, 05:24 PM
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Maybe this is like the Boing 737 thing...
Ole Gaston stands too much to lose with all the recalls and is just hoping the problem will go away....
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No issues here with glock. I however carry OWB exclusively. I don't like firearms pointed at myself, self induced or otherwise.
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