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Old 02-19-2020, 09:04 PM
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How would you compare and contrast the three pistols in your photo? Thanks!
They are all fantastic shooters and are more capable than I am.

The STI DVC 3 Gun has better balance in the hand and because it is lighter it transitions from target to target faster. The lighter slide also cycles very fast. I have the gen 1 mags and they do have issues. The follower has rolled over and then all the cartridges roll around like marbles inside. This has happened two or three times over the last two or three years. If look at the photo you will see one mag marked with blue tape. It failed at the end of last season. Iím going to see if the same mag fails this year when we start the new season. These early mags were very expensive, like $125 each if I remember correctly. The new Gen 2 mags are now $50 and I believe they fixed the problem. I like the feel and texture of the tree bark grip. No longer used on the newer STI guns.

They all have great triggers but the CZ TSO has the best trigger of all three. No issues with mags. It also feels good in hand but not quite as good as the STI. However, you can easily change grips on the CZ if they are not to your liking.

The Sig Sauer is the X-5 Target made in Germany. Itís more of a target pistol than a USPSA pistol like the STI or CZ. Itís a piece of art and a great shooter as well. With the wood grips it is a little bigger and smoother, so harder to get a good grip on hot days when youíre sweating. Very stable and easy to hold on target If you have a good grip on it.
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Old 02-20-2020, 12:21 AM
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They are all fantastic shooters and are more capable than I am.

The STI DVC 3 Gun has better balance in the hand and because it is lighter it transitions from target to target faster. The lighter slide also cycles very fast. I have the gen 1 mags and they do have issues. The follower has rolled over and then all the cartridges roll around like marbles inside. This has happened two or three times over the last two or three years. If look at the photo you will see one mag marked with blue tape. It failed at the end of last season. Iím going to see if the same mag fails this year when we start the new season. These early mags were very expensive, like $125 each if I remember correctly. The new Gen 2 mags are now $50 and I believe they fixed the problem. I like the feel and texture of the tree bark grip. No longer used on the newer STI guns.

They all have great triggers but the CZ TSO has the best trigger of all three. No issues with mags. It also feels good in hand but not quite as good as the STI. However, you can easily change grips on the CZ if they are not to your liking.

The Sig Sauer is the X-5 Target made in Germany. Itís more of a target pistol than a USPSA pistol like the STI or CZ. Itís a piece of art and a great shooter as well. With the wood grips it is a little bigger and smoother, so harder to get a good grip on hot days when youíre sweating. Very stable and easy to hold on target If you have a good grip on it.
Thank you for that very helpful information on your pistols. I have a CZ TSO, which I like a lot. I certainly have been tempted by the STI and Sig Sauer X-5.
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Old 02-22-2020, 08:01 PM
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Thank you for all the input, gentlemen. Looks like a 9mm TSO will be my next pistol purchase.

One last question...

Does anyone here believe the prices of the TSOs will drop when the DWX officially becomes available?? In other words...will I save some dough if I wait to purchase?
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Old 02-22-2020, 09:19 PM
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I have a TSO in 9mm. I don't compete with it. I use it strictly to see how small of groups I can shoot with it. I don't own a 40 so the choice was easy.

It is a ridiculously accurate gun that is just heads and shoulders above any other handgun I own, to include all of my semi custom 1911's.

It's that good.

Damnitman....that's a powerful statement.

I've seen some of the guns you've posted range reports and such on. Very nice, high-quality gear. This TSO sounds like it's one of those "must-have" pistols.




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I have a 9mm TSO. It's not a good gun. It's not a great gun. It's freaking AWESOME. The trigger is fantastic. The ergonomics are wonderful. It eats recoil like crazy. It's really accurate and easy to shoot well. Oh, and it's about as reliable a pistol as exists on the planet. No magazine tuning required either. The only gun I have shot that I liked more was a compensated STI (Stacatto?) XP. In fact, I am sorely tempted to get a Czechmate and be done with it.
Get a TSO. Enjoy.
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I've got a sinking suspicion that this is going to cost me some money one of these days.

There is a nearby store with their current new inventory posted online....showing some interesting CZ models in stock. I may try to get by there next weekend and see what I can learn.




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Thank you for all the input, gentlemen. Looks like a 9mm TSO will be my next pistol purchase.

One last question...

Does anyone here believe the prices of the TSOs will drop when the DWX officially becomes available?? In other words...will I save some dough if I wait to purchase?
That's an interesting consideration.

I guess the key there is when o'when is the DWX a'coming. I'm really enthused about the full sized DWX in 9mm....but the TSO sure sounds like a known tack driving beast.


Great thread, by the way.
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Old 02-22-2020, 10:20 PM
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I don’t know... friend at local steel challenge let me shoot a round with his 9mm SP-01 AccuShadow 2. First time I touched it, my times dropped dramatically. Fantastic balance, great sights, clean trigger. Phenomenal gun!
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Old 02-23-2020, 01:52 AM
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I have a TSO in 9mm. I don't compete with it. I use it strictly to see how small of groups I can shoot with it. I don't own a 40 so the choice was easy.

It is a ridiculously accurate gun that is just heads and shoulders above any other handgun I own, to include all of my semi custom 1911's.

It's that good.

Damnitman....that's a powerful statement.

I've seen some of the guns you've posted range reports and such on. Very nice, high-quality gear. This TSO sounds like it's one of those "must-have" pistols.




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I have a 9mm TSO. It's not a good gun. It's not a great gun. It's freaking AWESOME. The trigger is fantastic. The ergonomics are wonderful. It eats recoil like crazy. It's really accurate and easy to shoot well. Oh, and it's about as reliable a pistol as exists on the planet. No magazine tuning required either. The only gun I have shot that I liked more was a compensated STI (Stacatto?) XP. In fact, I am sorely tempted to get a Czechmate and be done with it.
Get a TSO. Enjoy.
Jeff


I've got a sinking suspicion that this is going to cost me some money one of these days.

There is a nearby store with their current new inventory posted online....showing some interesting CZ models in stock. I may try to get by there next weekend and see what I can learn.




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Thank you for all the input, gentlemen. Looks like a 9mm TSO will be my next pistol purchase.

One last question...

Does anyone here believe the prices of the TSOs will drop when the DWX officially becomes available?? In other words...will I save some dough if I wait to purchase?
That's an interesting consideration.

I guess the key there is when o'when is the DWX a'coming. I'm really enthused about the full sized DWX in 9mm....but the TSO sure sounds like a known tack driving beast.


Great thread, by the way.
The TSO is extremely good and punches far above its weight so to speak, I have two CZ CMs that are a TSO turned up to 15 so to speak. It's every bit as good as said here and the only gun I would put against one is a 2011

Interestingly my full-size 9mm Wilson on the clock does better but in pure accuracy gets wrecked.....I think it's due to how the 1911 has better recoil dynamics overall but the CZs are kings of group size.

I suspect the DWX will be somewhere between the two not in a good way, lacking the insanely low recoil for caliber and recovery of a 1911/2011 but also the crazy 1.7lb TS trigger weight. I just don't really see a point since you take the worst parts of each system (1911 trigger and CZ lockup/barrel) and combined then but I'm probably wrong since I'm trying to convince myself I don't need one.
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Old 02-23-2020, 10:06 AM
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I don’t believe you will see a price drop on the CZ TSO due to the introduction of The Dan Wesson DWX. Even though CZ owns Dan Wesson for the most part they don’t offer similar model lines like General Motors.

Also from what I’m seeing it may be awhile before any of us can get our hands on a DWX.
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Old 02-23-2020, 11:22 AM
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I'm not exaggerating when I say that, personally, I don't believe CZ makes any mediocre model of pistol. Quite the contrary, they tend to be far above anything comparable. It's just that they don't yet carry the mystique of some other names, but that's quickly changing.

The CZ DA/SA pistols are quite good - exceptionally so when either CZC or CGW get their hands on them. However, the SAO models are in a league of their own. The Tac Sport models, whether the plain-Jane original, or the 'Blue', or the 'Orange' are, what I consider to be, the absolute best bang-for-the-buck if you're mission is to find a pistol with excellent balance, a superb trigger, and exquisite accuracy right out of the box. There's nothing to tweak, replace, fine-tune, enhance or otherwise 'mess' with. Yes, they are a bit pricey, but not as pricey as some of the competition at that level, and, to me, they are far better performers. Since they are not exactly sitting in the display case of every other gun store, I highly recommend that when you see one, you buy it. If you're a 'gun person', you won't be disappointed.

(Full disclosure: these are not pistols for those enamored with light weight or plastic handguns. These things have mass, which is what lends them to the perfect balance of recoil-reduction and control-ability. The pistols stay where you point them, and if you do your part, will send the rounds on top of one another with near boring regularity.)

By the way, did I mention how much I like them???
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Old 02-23-2020, 11:28 AM
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Thank you for all the input, gentlemen. Looks like a 9mm TSO will be my next pistol purchase.

One last question...

Does anyone here believe the prices of the TSOs will drop when the DWX officially becomes available?? In other words...will I save some dough if I wait to purchase?
Since when has saving money ever been part of this hobby

If you see one grab it because you never know if you will find another. They could discontinue the model and prices would go up. I don't think the new dwx will influence the prices on other models.
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Old 02-23-2020, 09:53 PM
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I'm not exaggerating when I say that, personally, I don't believe CZ makes any mediocre model of pistol. Quite the contrary, they tend to be far above anything comparable. It's just that they don't yet carry the mystique of some other names, but that's quickly changing.

The CZ DA/SA pistols are quite good - exceptionally so when either CZC or CGW get their hands on them. However, the SAO models are in a league of their own. The Tac Sport models, whether the plain-Jane original, or the 'Blue', or the 'Orange' are, what I consider to be, the absolute best bang-for-the-buck if you're mission is to find a pistol with excellent balance, a superb trigger, and exquisite accuracy right out of the box. There's nothing to tweak, replace, fine-tune, enhance or otherwise 'mess' with. Yes, they are a bit pricey, but not as pricey as some of the competition at that level, and, to me, they are far better performers. Since they are not exactly sitting in the display case of every other gun store, I highly recommend that when you see one, you buy it. If you're a 'gun person', you won't be disappointed.

(Full disclosure: these are not pistols for those enamored with light weight or plastic handguns. These things have mass, which is what lends them to the perfect balance of recoil-reduction and control-ability. The pistols stay where you point them, and if you do your part, will send the rounds on top of one another with near boring regularity.)

By the way, did I mention how much I like them???
After I got into CZ I have sold all my Sigís except my German made X5 Target. With the exception of my TSO all are CZ Custom. Iím sure Cajun Gun Works are also exceptional firearms. The TSO needs nothing. Itís awesome right out of the box.
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I have a TSO in 9mm. I don't compete with it. I use it strictly to see how small of groups I can shoot with it. I don't own a 40 so the choice was easy.

It is a ridiculously accurate gun that is just heads and shoulders above any other handgun I own, to include all of my semi custom 1911's.

It's that good.
I'm going to have to have a shoot off between these two. There is no doubt the TSO has the better trigger and that may be the advantage. Both will have DPP red dots. At this point I believe both guns to be better than me.
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