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Old 08-20-2019, 12:19 PM
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New 1969 Commercial with filled in white rollmarks

I just got a 1969 commercial and while it is in excellent shape it does have the rollmarks filled in with something white. I'm assuming that this was done by a previous owner to make them stand out. How did they do this and is there any way to get rid of the white and turn it back to factory? The gun is in nice shape so I need to keep the finish.

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Old 08-20-2019, 02:30 PM
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The white roll mark treatment was popular in the 70's-80's. Acetone or nail polish remover will remove it without harming the finish.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:57 PM
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I've seen chalk applied as well as white out used to correct typing errors. I think 824tsv is right. Nail polish remover or acetone gently applied
Your pistol is a late 1968 or early shipped 1969. I believe it's an earl 1969 given the slight coloration swirl of the stocks which was peculiar to some 69 models. It's not easily seen, you have to study it for a second or two
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:11 PM
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That is nice looking!
Congratulations!
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:51 PM
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Thanks guys. I'll try some acetone/nail polish remover in the next few days and see if I can get some better pics. I'm very pleased with this gun. It is in great shape and the only thing I really don't like are the white rollmarks. If that comes off then I will be a happy camper.

I'm no expert but I believe that the grips are aftermarket.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:31 PM
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Thanks guys. I'll try some acetone/nail polish remover in the next few days and see if I can get some better pics. I'm very pleased with this gun. It is in great shape and the only thing I really don't like are the white rollmarks. If that comes off then I will be a happy camper.



I'm no expert but I believe that the grips are aftermarket.
You are correct, those are not factory stocks for 1969, no pony on them .

That's a nice looking pistol.

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Old 08-20-2019, 08:55 PM
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Whitening the markings was also common on pistols being displayed at shows or photographed for a publication. A toothpick will help remove some of the more stubborn material that refuses to melt from the acetone.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:15 AM
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Trigger shoe is so 1960's.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:20 PM
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I wouldn't use Acetone. Eezox gun product will take care of it on a toothbrush.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:45 PM
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The grips on that gun, look like the pre war grips. A 1969 Government Model should have brown plastic grips from the factory.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:25 PM
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The checkering is too fine to be pre-war. I'm guessing they're aftermarket post-war grips available from companies like Herretts that were popular back in the day. Many guys who bought a new Government Model back in the 1950s and 1960s couldn't take those ugly brown plastic grips off and throw them away fast enough. That's one reason why they're so hard to find these days. The fact that so many of them shrank and wouldn't fit on the frame anymore is another.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:10 PM
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The acetone (nail polish remover) worked well on the serial numbers. I'm not sure if I wan't to do it on the rollmarks just yet. I'm starting to like the white...
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:47 PM
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:22 PM
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Very nice pistol!

I'll look great without the white.

I've always used Hoppe's No. 9 on a soft bristle toothbrush to remove any kind of applied gunk highlighting roll marks. It's always worked quickly and satisfactorily.
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Old 08-27-2019, 02:37 PM
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I was able to get some time and remove the white from the rollmarks. Acetone and toothbrush worked well. The serial number took some work but the slide rollmarks came off easily. Acetone sure cleans sucks out the oil. I rubbed in a lot of oil afterwards.

Here it is all cleaned up. There are certainly a few niggles to the finish but that just means that I could afford it and I don't need to treat it with kid gloves.

Thanks for the help everyone!
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:13 PM
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Oh yeah!

That looks so fine!

It does look great without the white.

Saw my typo. I'll never look great white or without white.

You have a nice example there. I love the roll markings of that era of Government Model production. Somehow looks most familiar.

Understated and elegant is much nicer than enhanced and garish. That goes double for billboard-sized markings up and down slides.
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Old 08-27-2019, 09:18 PM
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Looks way better now. Aside from highlighting the markings for display or photography purposes I never could understand why so many people did that.
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Old 08-27-2019, 09:37 PM
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I bought one just like that in 1968 as my first duty weapon. Purchased it from Oshmanís Sporting Goods in Houston on department letterhead for $85. Sure wish I still had it.

Make you a deal...Iíll go $170, double what I paid for one new! Yours is really a nice looking piece.
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:26 AM
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Looks way better now. Aside from highlighting the markings for display or photography purposes I never could understand why so many people did that.
The same reason they put white wall tires on cars in the 50's and 60's!
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:57 AM
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Thanks for the compliments guys. These are my second favorite rollmarks. The best are the early post-war marks with the single line COLT.

Is this the original mag?
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Old 08-31-2019, 01:22 AM
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Chawk, looks much nicer with the highlighting removed. In fact it makes my new today 1911C look like, well, like a rather poor attempt to recreate your fine commercial. I sure hope I warm up to the new Classic, but pretty sure I will.

I can't tell on your mag, any marking on the top / front of baseplate? Congratulations on your '69C.
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:27 AM
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I believe the magazine is correct. Font looks OK, separation of the letters and has both a decimal and a period as it should for at 1960s magazine. Base looks like a dull finish which is correct. If you look at the magazine and see the base has a flat finish running up the magazine about a quarter inch, as much as a half inch or so, it's OEM
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Old 08-31-2019, 06:19 PM
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Here are some pics.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:12 AM
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Yup. Colt magazine. Colt matte finished the base of the magazines to blend with the matte surfaces of the pistol
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Old 09-01-2019, 06:53 AM
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Thanks filson.

Good to know.
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