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Old 02-14-2019, 04:40 PM
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Want to keep your guns? Tweet the Pres. Right Now!

Senator Mitch Mcconell has stated that President Trump intends to sign the latest spending bill and declare a national emergency at the southern border. If the President declares a national emergency in order to get around congress the dems will use a national emergency for gun violence when they get the presidency back. Say goodbye to your gun rights and we will all have President Trump to thank for it.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:10 PM
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National Emergencies have been used by every president in recent history. There is no new ground being broken here, that notion is fake news...In fact there are a significant # national emergencies active at this time, several of which POTUS renewed from previous presidents. Obama was big on using national emergancies.

The use of a NE to secure the border is very aprapo. WTH would you call what is going on down there.

As far as a future lefty pres declaring a national emergency to take gun's, it is a notion that isn't thought out. LOL - don't you think Obama would have used it if he thought he could get away with it.

They can try, but it will never hold up in court because it is aimed at American citizen's. A similar thing went on when Lefty-Pres Roosevelt put American's of Japanese decent in concentration camp's after Pearl-Harbor. It took a while but eventually it was overturned by the S.C.

POTUS is doing no such thing, he isn't going after American's. In fact, he is persevering the safety and rights of American's, and indeed it will be upheld in the SC.

It is amazing the ignorance of the press core and the fake news they propagate. But I guess all the running around like the sky is falling (every day) gets more people watching.

The only reason to tweet POTUS is to say you support his NE, he is doing exactly what he needs to do for America given the feeble GOP negotiator's couldn't get a few billion $...Of course, if you want to help Nancy P. and Chuck S. who are having a crap fit over this - go ahead and tweet him.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:12 PM
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National Emergencies have been used by every president in recent history. There is no new ground being broken here, that notion is fake news...In fact there are a significant # national emergencies active at this time, several of which POTUS renewed from previous presidents. Obama was big on using national emergancies.

The use of a NE to secure the border is very aprapo. WTH would you call what is going on down there.

As far as a future lefty pres declaring a national emergency to take gun's, it is a notion that isn't thought out. LOL - don't you think Obama would have used it if he thought he could get away with it.

They can try, but it will never hold up in court because it is aimed at American citizen's. A similar thing went on when Lefty-Pres Roosevelt put American's of Japanese decent in concentration camp's after Pearl-Harbor. It took a while but eventually it was overturned by the S.C.

POTUS is doing no such thing, he isn't going after American's. in fact, he is persevering the safety and rights of American's, and indeed it will be upheld in the SC.

It is amazing the ignorance of the press core and the fake news they propagate. But I guess all the running around like the sky is falling (every day) gets more people watching.
Right, a national emergency to take guns would be a direct violation of constitutional rights. Can't do that, in theory.

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Old 02-14-2019, 05:16 PM
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Senator Mitch Mcconell has stated that President Trump intends to sign the latest spending bill and declare a national emergency at the southern border. If the President declares a national emergency in order to get around congress the dems will use a national emergency for gun violence when they get the presidency back. Say goodbye to your gun rights and we will all have President Trump to thank for it.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:22 PM
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Senator Mitch Mcconell has stated that President Trump intends to sign the latest spending bill and declare a national emergency at the southern border. If the President declares a national emergency in order to get around congress the dems will use a national emergency for gun violence when they get the presidency back. Say goodbye to your gun rights and we will all have President Trump to thank for it.
How about your source on this one. Who, What, Where, When and How. Need some validation to obvious fake (lefty) news.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:40 PM
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Senator Mitch Mcconell has stated that President Trump intends to sign the latest spending bill and declare a national emergency at the southern border. If the President declares a national emergency in order to get around congress the dems will use a national emergency for gun violence when they get the presidency back. Say goodbye to your gun rights and we will all have President Trump to thank for it.



Please... put down the bong pipe... s-l-o-w-l-y... and step AWAY from the keyboard...
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:50 PM
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It seemed as though the statists had learned:

Turn up the gas slow enough and you can boil the frog without much trouble. Looks now as though the statists’ “leadership” is even stu- ... is not as perspicacious as all that. But not convinced that they’re -that- du ... unwise: Declaring a confiscation as the solution for a fake national emergency sounds like a very effective means to create a -real- national emergency.

You know .... some of the statists probably -are- qualified for that scheme. Seems like ever more of them too. Let’s wait and see if they nominate EWwwwww or AO-C ... that would sway me some.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:08 PM
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How about your source on this one. Who, What, Where, When and How. Need some validation to obvious fake (lefty) news.
Exactly.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:11 PM
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Just reported on Lou Dobb's, Obama declared 12 national emergencies. Chuck and Nancy are lying through their teeth (as if it is something new) because they are scared S.L. & they are on the run now, Trump played this the right way. Great week for POTUS, and he has Mitch M. behind him now.

Bad week for the Socialist all around, the Green-Deal heading to a Senate vote for more embarrassments of the lefty; failed Government Railroad in CA; Amazon telling NYC-Socialist (politician's) to go to heck.
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https://www.infowars.com/pelosi-says...nal-emergency/
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:30 PM
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This is the link to the msn story that the OP is referring to. I can't see how legally purchased firearms owned by law biding citizens could be declared a national emergency. I expect in the long run such a declaration would be ruled unconstitutional.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:35 PM
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Ruled unconstitutional?

I would warrant such a declaration would immediately ignite a civil war. As well it should.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:19 PM
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Perhaps it's time to remind the American public that there is no such thing as a 'socialist' government. Never was, EVER! Socialism is actually ANTI-GOVERNMENT. The IDEA is simple: everyone works, everyone shares. No need for leaders if everyone is on board, because no one gets any more than anyone else. And, it doesn't work. Never did, EVER. Why? Because people are greedy. Some want more than their share. Others want their share(or more) without having to actually work for it. And then you have the A-holes(we call them politicians, tho they are actually professional parasites) that convince everyone else that they are so smart that they can make sure everyone gets more than their fair share. How? By PROMISING them stuff that they can't deliver on, but sounding so good doing it that people will actually go along with it. Doesn't matter that the only way anyone can get MORE is by taking it from someone else.

Basing a system of government on the IDEA of socialism leads to communism. EVERY TIME. Why? Glad you asked. Because the only way the government can get enough assets to keep any of their promises is by stealing from the citizens. ALL of them. Then, when you find out that you're actually just a slave to a bunch of self-important wieners who think they own the country and all the people in it, and think 'I didn't ask for this', remember these few words:

No, you DIDN'T ask for it, you DEMANDED it. Remember?'
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:29 PM
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While everyone may be right about this I can see trouble ahead. The President isn't just declaring a national emergency to bring more attention to a problem or to request more funding. The President is using it to go around congress and take money from disaster relief, military housing etc.. I have been a member here for many years and love the 2A. I am not trying to spread lefty rumors. If you want to tweet Trump and tell him what a great job he is doing that is fine with me. I guess you like bump stock bans. Trump is not a republican with republican views, he is an opportunist who will do anything that he thinks makes him look better.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:31 PM
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Trump also gets to hold $55bil hostage for the reset that comes in December. Today really is a lose-lose-lose day for the demcraps.

A day to be happy about.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:33 PM
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Unless the second admendment were repealed, executive action would be Illegal. The bumpstock ruling is being challenged as we speak (I dont know how it will turn out.).

Trump really isn't giving the antis any more tools than they already have. They were likely going to try something like this, whether Trump did it first or not. And if they did, the courts are packed with Federalist society judges now, and Ginsburg is likely dead or close to it. There would also be a massive backlash from local governments in conservative areas. Even fudds would come to the light, if they went full Australia on us.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:50 PM
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The constitution allows you to keep and bare arms but congress gets to decide which guns those are, at which age, how many hoops you have to jump through, and what you will end up paying for that right in government fees. All of those can be changed and then imposed under a national emergency. No president has ever used a national emergency to take funds that was appropriated by congress without congressional approval before. Therein lies the danger.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:00 PM
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Bullcrap.
Ditto....there’s a little thing called the constitution.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:12 PM
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Senator Mitch Mcconell has stated that President Trump intends to sign the latest spending bill and declare a national emergency at the southern border. If the President declares a national emergency in order to get around congress the dems will use a national emergency for gun violence when they get the presidency back. Say goodbye to your gun rights and we will all have President Trump to thank for it.
I'm no constitutional expert but I do know, that a Democrap president cannot declare an emergency to take away one of our constitutional amendment, like the 2nd amendment. At worse, Congress would have to pass a law, like they did with the 1st AWB.

The only thing that this declaration of an national emergency would do is to set a future precedence for allocating funds. If a gun hating future Democrap president got elected, he could in theory move funds around, and order the BATFE or other agency to investigate firearms violations more vigorously by taking that money and investing in more agents, and tightening down the screws on every gun owning Americans, as well as FFL (licensees), including manufacturers. They could shut down dealers and manufacturers for seemingly trivial paperwork errors... which is something they sometimes do. But they could step up investigations making life a living hell for those in the industry. As of now, most BATFE agents complain that they just don't have the funds to investigate every complaint which is typical of just about every law enforcement agency in the USA. They all want more money.

That is pretty much the analogy of what Trump is doing. He is using the existing laws, which the current House of Representatives, dominated by the Democraps elects not to enforce by withholding money needed that the Border Patrol and ICE wants. They are the ones that came up with $5.7 billion figure. They are the ones that want that money so they can enforce the existing laws.

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Old 02-14-2019, 08:31 PM
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Thanks polymerman, that's basically what I said in post #17 plus more. Oh well, maybe I am just getting a little crazy, I am at that age now.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:15 PM
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Perhaps tweeting the Pres to express our unfailing commitment to 2A is a good idea. If he got tweet spammed with 2A supporters it might be a good thing.

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Old 02-14-2019, 09:53 PM
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. Declaring a National Emergency to "just build a wall"....is wrong. It is Congress ceeding powers to the executive branch .....and just as Harry Reid regrets what he did in his nuclear option.....Republicans will rue the day that that they ceed their fiscal power to Trump. They will win the battle and simultaneously lose the war.

National Emergency??? A $22 Trillion freaking dollar national debt is a freakin national emergency. But all 535 legislators and 1 President have their heads entirely up their asses on that one and continue to spend other people's money like theres no tomorrow.

Think about this. In 6 more years.....the interest payments alone on the national debt....will exceed the DoD budget. You get that??? The INTERST payments will exceed the ENTIRE DoD BUDGET!!

And a wall is a national emergency??? Give me a freakin break.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:01 PM
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I'm no constitutional expert but I do know, that a Democrap president cannot declare an emergency to take away one of our constitutional amendment, like the 2nd amendment. At worse, Congress would have to pass a law, like they did with the 1st AWB.

The only thing that this declaration of an national emergency would do is to set a future precedence for allocating funds. If a gun hating future Democrap president got elected, he could in theory move funds around, and order the BATFE or other agency to investigate firearms violations more vigorously by taking that money and investing in more agents, and tightening down the screws on every gun owning Americans, as well as FFL (licensees), including manufacturers. They could shut down dealers and manufacturers for seemingly trivial paperwork errors... which is something they sometimes do. But they could step up investigations making life a living hell for those in the industry. As of now, most BATFE agents complain that they just don't have the funds to investigate every complaint which is typical of just about every law enforcement agency in the USA. They all want more money.

That is pretty much the analogy of what Trump is doing. He is using the existing laws, which the current House of Representatives, dominated by the Democraps elects not to enforce by withholding money needed that the Border Patrol and ICE wants. They are the ones that came up with $5.7 billion figure. They are the ones that want that money so they can enforce the existing laws.

"During the emergency conditions following Hurricane Katrina in 2005, New Orleans’ police superintendent ordered the confiscation of privately owned firearms, saying 'Only law enforcement will be able to have guns.'

While any individual may need firearms for protection at any time, it is during general emergencies that large numbers of people may face an acute need for firearms for that purpose. Today, most states, including Louisiana, have laws prohibiting the seizure or confiscation of lawfully-owned firearms and ammunition during a declared state of emergency."

Taken directly from the NRA website. It has been done on the state level and succeeded as there was no specific law against it - even though it was obviously unconstitutional. This has not yet been tested on a national level but as there is not a specific national law against it, I see no reason why it couldn't be used just like it was during hurricane Katrina.
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I’m fricking tired of the Trump bashing. DJT has done more for conservative causes than the last three R presidents combined.

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I’m fricking tired of the Trump bashing. DJT has done more for conservative causes than the last three R presidents combined.

Grow up!

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I'm still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall and the elimination of a $19T national debt in 8 years......
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