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Old 08-29-2018, 08:24 AM
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ID this pistol?

The pic was from a story about S. Africa.


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Old 08-29-2018, 11:20 AM
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I was gonna say some CZ item/frame, just not sure.

This is CZ 75 B, the trigger guard looks very very similar



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Old 08-29-2018, 12:23 PM
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Probably a Vektor piece for the domestic market. Likely a SIG variant or derivative, based on the trigger...

Nope, the more I look at it, the more unsure I am of what it is!
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Old 08-29-2018, 12:37 PM
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CZ type, but with modifications, IMHO. And who made it, who knows? But SA had a thriving arms manufacturing industry back in the old days. They even made their own armored cars.

They had to make everything themselves, because they were banned by most countries from buying weapons. So, I figure that the gun was made in-country there.
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Old 08-29-2018, 12:53 PM
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A quick google search of the pic found this note

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pistol as background
(Photo: Getty Images/iStockphoto)
Tells me that there is no connection between the pic & the story.
Sorry, I still can't help with the make, model except it does look like a CZ.
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Old 08-29-2018, 01:04 PM
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Definitely a CZ75 clone. Likely from the last 10 yrs as it has a rail. Those weren't common on production pistols until the last ten years or so. Slide serations look like BUL Storm but the grips are not BUL production.
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Old 08-29-2018, 01:09 PM
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Resembles a Mamba or a Vector. Note the decocker/safety located on the slide.

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Old 08-29-2018, 02:16 PM
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Whatever it is... I want one.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:04 PM
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No markings on them. No name, no serial number or caliber? How often do we see that?

A generic Euro, Turkish, somebody 9mm gun. Rhodesian, South African? Looks like a gun a Ukrainian or Crimean Tartar is using to fight off Russian thugs.

$500.00 ya get a 50 gallon drum of 'em.

I want one too.

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Old 08-29-2018, 04:12 PM
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No markings on them. No name, no serial number or caliber? How often do we see that?

A generic Euro, Turkish, somebody 9mm gun. Rhodesian, South African? Looks like a gun a Ukrainian or Crimean Tartar is using to fight off Russian thugs.

$500.00 ya get a 50 gallon drum of 'em.

I want one too.

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The pic might be photoshop'd. Look at the shadow angles. Most of the time the light in the room casts one way. Possible that multiple lights were on that pile of guns, but you would then see multiple shadows, etc. I see just one shadow casting.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:24 PM
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:27 PM
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Interesting, it has a Grand Power design hammer, a Glock design extractor, and a Hi Power after market design extended backstrap to prevent hammer bite. Not to mention (of course) the CZ style forward trigger guard finger grip on a curved trigger housing.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:37 PM
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Cloning gone bad -my guess.

Looks like a CZ, Browning BDA and a Berretta had some sorta wierd-ass transgender sex and ended up with a sick obamanation of steel... throw in some sorta Kimber External Extractor chromosomal defect and there it is.

The slide looks to me, to go over the frame... maybe I am wrong but the rail looks useless- expect for proprietary accessories. I would stay away except maybe for a novelty curiosity purpose at a very cheap price. What a horrible front sight.

Interested to learn more. I agree with Tipoc... there are barrels of them somewhere.

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Old 08-29-2018, 04:52 PM
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I was going to say a CZ clone but I am unsure since it has many features that look like other brands
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:03 PM
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The pic might just be a pile of BS

So did some just not get finished 100%, or completely different models?

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Old 08-29-2018, 05:08 PM
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The pic might be photoshop'd. Look at the shadow angles. Most of the time the light in the room casts one way. Possible that multiple lights were on that pile of guns, but you would then see multiple shadows, etc. I see just one shadow casting.
Look closer. There are lots of shadows. They look correct for a diffused light source directly behind the camera.

Your second pic could be signs of revisions that were made later. Look at the amount of wear on the left one and almost no wear on the right one.
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:12 PM
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I'm starting to think not a real gun. No names, no numbers. Frame is stepped above trigger-not like CZ. But it does have the roll pin to hold in firing pin like CZ's. But then I don't know how many other manufacturers do the roll pin.
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:39 PM
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Look closer. There are lots of shadows. They look correct for a diffused light source directly behind the camera.

Your second pic could be signs of revisions that were made later. Look at the amount of wear on the left one and almost no wear on the right one.
The two major shadow castings are the arrows, but under those lights we would expect to see two shadows from trigger guard. The angle of light is not shallow enough to have hidden shadows there. We only see one casted shadow in opposite directions.

As for revisions, not sure, they are very modern pistols, so why would they skip ejection port flare?
And from the looks of ejector and flare, the ejected case comes right back to your face ?? Maybe that's why they are in the junk drum?

I call BS to a pile of guns, it's likely "photoshop'd".

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Old 08-29-2018, 05:51 PM
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I am thinking a Bulgarian Arcus earlier model. At least it has the lines/frame from that.
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:00 PM
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I am thinking a Bulgarian Arcus earlier model. At least it has the lines/frame from that.
Sure does.
The pile just looks newer made. The step in the frame is a definite match.


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Old 08-29-2018, 06:10 PM
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The pile of guns is a stock photo attached to many articles online.

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The pile of guns is a stock photo attached to many articles online.

https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sb...%20image&hl=en
It may well be photoshopped to prevent media being sued by the manufacturers.

Also just noticed the frame rails are inside the slide, not a slide in frame design. Not CZ.
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trigger guard looks very much like CZ
frame step looks very much like Arcus
other than that, dunno, fake pic possibly.
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Not sure why they'd need to heavily Photoshop a picture of guns when there are so many of real ones out there. There are so many different handguns in existence that are made in countries who don't import to the USA, especially Asian and Middle Eastern countries. Maybe someone needs to take this pic to a large gun forum where different models are discussed to see if anyone recognizes these.
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Old 08-29-2018, 10:17 PM
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It's built in the Ukraine and called the Fort-14.

http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/4-fort-14pp/
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