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Old 05-02-2018, 06:18 PM
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Armed Federal Agents...

As I've mentioned in a couple other threads, I have a beaver infestation problem on my (and adjoining) properties. As part of the solution, I contacted the State, which contracts with the USDA for Wildlife Management officers/technicians. The latter term describes their primary function- go to affected properties and fix the problem.
The former term is what I found interesting- the gent that came out today ( a great guy, eager and willing to discuss the issues at my property, and more than willing to teach me some skills to control the problem in the future) was also a badge wearing, gun toting, sworn Federal LEO, though his commission may be "limited"....

This started me thinking- how many various Federal agencies without a primary LE duty, have armed, sworn agents or officers?
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:24 PM
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This may not totally answer your question, but reportedly there are more armed Federal agents than there are US Marines.

https://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2016/...er-us-marines/
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:38 PM
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I know for sure of the Post Office, IRS and FAA. I been there and seen them.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:41 PM
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A couple of friends of mine are retired (one is deceased) Coast Guard guys. The one that was my best friend (deceased) was OIL (Office of Intelligence and Law enforcement) and carried all the time as a special agent. The other is a regular that does not carry "on the job" all the time, as his duties are different. I would imagine it is related to what their job description is and which agency, but that is just my estimate of it - likely applied to other agencies as well. With the reorganization of departments over the past several years, it would not surprise me to see certain members of any federal agency either carrying or not carrying.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:45 PM
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The VA has a SWAT team.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:56 PM
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Dept. of Energy, Dept. Veterans Affairs, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Agriculture, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Heath and Human Services and the list goes on an one. Then pretty much any of the agencies under those departments have a law enforcement wing as well.
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:45 PM
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As already well outlined in this thread --- +1911 -- Federal agencies and their employees have a lot of firearms.

And I am supportive rather than critical of this.

However, this situation (which again I'm o.k. with) is all the more reason for other good U.S. citizens to also be armed.

Federal employees should have the means to do their jobs. And other citizens should also have the means to fulfill their various roles, exactly as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.

A win-win outcome, consistent with the old saying "an armed society is a polite society".
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Old 05-02-2018, 08:04 PM
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When I was in my early 20's working Loss Prevention (Store Security in plain clothes) for JC Pennies back in the mid 90's, I busted a guy buying merchandise with a stolen credit card number. I say number, not card as they were imprinting new plastic with others numbers on the strip. Long story short, he was involved with a large credit card fraud gang and the US Mail was involved so a US Postal Inspector came by the store to get some video and other evidence from us a few days later. The Postal Inspector was maybe 6'4" 270, wearing cowboy boots and hat and carrying a HUGE revolver. I mention his appearance, because he looked like a Cowboy, not a Postal Inspector. A cartoon character even. Just struck me as an odd character all around.
Did not ask what caliber the huge revolver was, but I have no doubt it would get the job done if ever needed. lol. Definitely not what I expected.
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Old 05-02-2018, 09:33 PM
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I worked for the U.S.P.S. in St. Louis in the 60s. We had Postal Inspectors everywhere. Gold badge and sidearm. Those guys didn't mess around. If they talked to you they stared hard at your badge the whole time. They were either memorizing it or about to rip it off you and tell you to "Come with me...."

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Old 05-02-2018, 10:09 PM
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The Federal Communications Commission often moves in on pirate broadcasters (usually on the FM band), confiscates the broadcasting equipment, and identifies the perpetrators for future determining of penalties (usually fines). If they feel that the perps may be hostile (if they broadcast "Free Radio" beliefs), they will be accompanied by one or more armed agents. Those agents may be FCC employees, or they could be from other agencies; but that asset is readily available to them; there's enough armed agents around to ensure a safe operation.


Nothing sinister about this; the presence of armed agents ensures a safe and successful enforcement of existing law.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:21 PM
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And don't mess with the Department of Energy. Their snipers are some of the best apparently. My original CCW class instructor back in the year 2000 or so? Was a former Marine Force Recon Captain and worked for the Department of Energy at the time protecting the Nuclear Power Plant about 30 miles south of Raleigh NC. His carry was a Colt 1911 that had been modified. Trigger work etc... (and he was amazing with that gun). Probably the best pistol shooter I have seen perform in person ever. He later became an Air Marshal. Based on what he explained regarding the security they employed around the Nuclear Power Plant, it would not be a place I would want to trespass.

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Old 05-03-2018, 08:48 AM
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Our state DNR has a tactical training center and the DNR officers have absolute power, more so than the leo’s In that they can legally confiscate every piece of property you have while leaving you in jail until they “get around” to you. Everyone i’ve ever met were Nice guy’s though, firm but nice, good examples for law enforcement. I grew up with the guy that ran (retired now) the tactical training center, former special forces in v-nam, one of the nicest guy’s you’d ever meet, but I wouldn’t want to mess with him.
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:33 AM
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The feds shouldn't be armed at all with the possible exception of the Secret Service when guarding the President. Feds should use local law enforcement if arms are necessary. Think, Waco, Ruby ridge and who knows how many other murders they've committed.
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:18 AM
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First, I don't think there's anything fundementaly inappropriate about armed LE- IF, and only IF, their primary function is to enforce laws...

Nor do I have an issue with this armed wildlife management specialist- in the course of his job , he deals with all sorts of critters. I DO question his status as an LEO, as he has no such duties...

Likewise with "security" at sensitive sites; it makes perfect sense to have armed security at sensitive Federal sites.... not sure how much sense it makes to to give such employees Federal LEO status, and off site authority...
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:27 AM
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Anyone remember the Les Paul Gang raids?
EPA & DOJ SWAT took those dirty Bastards down.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...eldon-adelson/
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Old 05-03-2018, 10:48 AM
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I do not have a problem with anyone being armed per se.

What I have is a problem with paying the salaries of and buying weapons for people that do not do anything.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:34 PM
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Was the SWAT team that was backed down out west a few months ago BLM?
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:44 PM
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EPA with a swat team is a little over the top . Rely on local LOE's.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:13 PM
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This Congressional Report covers the rise of the militarization of various Federal Agencies during the period of 2006 to 2014.

https://www.openthebooks.com/assets/...a_06102016.pdf

What's of interest is not what agencies are armed but the increased number of armed agencies and the growth in the extent of their arms. There has been an increased "militarization" of a number of agencies.

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Old 05-03-2018, 01:20 PM
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See if this works:

A sample

"KEY FINDINGS (FY2006-FY2014)

1. Sixty-seven non-military federal agencies spent $1.48 billion on guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment.

2. Of that total amount, ‘Traditional Law Enforcement’ Agencies spent 77 percent ($1.14 billion) while ‘Administrative’ or ‘General’ Agencies spent 23 percent ($335.1 million).

3. Non-military federal spending on guns and ammunition jumped 104 percent from $55 million (FY2006) to $112 million (FY2011).

4. Nearly 6 percent ($42 million) of all federal guns and ammunition purchase transactions were wrongly coded. Some purchases were actually for ping-pong balls, gym equipment, bread, copiers, cotton balls, or cable
television including a line item from the Coast Guard entered as “Cable Dude”.

5. Administrative agencies including the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Small Business Administration (SBA), Smithsonian Institution, Social Security Administration, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
United States Mint, Department of Education, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, National Institute of Standards
and Technology, and many other agencies purchased guns, ammo, and military-style equipment.

6. Since 2004, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) purchased 1.7 billion bullets including 453 million
hollow-point bullets. As of 1/1/2014, DHS estimated its bullet inventory-reserve at 22-months, or 160 million rounds.

7. Between 1998 and 2008 (the most recent comprehensive data available) the number of law enforcement officers employed by federal agencies increased nearly 50 percent from 83,000 (1998) to 120,000 (2008).
However, Department of Justice officer count increased from 40,000 (2008) to 69,000 (2013) and Department
of Homeland Security officer count increased from 55,000 (2008) to 70,000 (2013).

8. The Internal Revenue Service, with its 2,316 special agents, spent nearly $11 million on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment.

9. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) spent $3.1 million on guns, ammunition and military-style
equipment. The EPA has spent $715 million on its ‘Criminal Enforcement Division’ from FY2005 to present even as the agency has come under fire for failing to perform its basic functions.

10. Federal agencies spent $313,958 on paintball equipment, along with $14.7 million on Tasers, $1.6 million on
unmanned aircraft, $8.2 million on buckshot, $7.44 million on projectiles, and $4 million on grenades/launchers.

11. The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) spent $11.66 million including more than $200,000 on ‘night vision
equipment,’ $2.3 million on ‘armor – personal,’ more than $2 million on guns, and $3.6 million on ammunition.
Veterans Affairs has 3,700 law enforcement officers guarding and securing VA medical centers.

12. The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service spent $4.77 million purchasing shotguns, .308 caliber rifles,
night vision goggles, propane cannons, liquid explosives, pyro supplies, buckshot, LP gas cannons, drones,
remote controlled helicopters, thermal cameras..."

and etc.

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Old 05-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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Old 05-03-2018, 02:17 PM
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The feds shouldn't be armed at all with the possible exception of the Secret Service when guarding the President. Feds should use local law enforcement if arms are necessary. Think, Waco, Ruby ridge and who knows how many other murders they've committed.
Great idea, Einstein! You want to be patrolling the US/Mexico with all the cartel drug smugglers, murderers, rapists, and multitudes of other criminal aliens that are illegally attempting to cross into the US in desolate areas everyday, without a gun? I worked Border Patrol for two years and you would be a total [email protected]$$ for even suggesting such nonsense.

So, your brilliant idea is to use local enforcement if arms are necessary means that we would have to have a state police officer or county deputy sheriff ride along with every Border Patrol unit all along the US/Mexico border. If they did that they would not have any deputies or state troopers patrolling their own areas. Really swift idea of yours. Not!
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Old 05-03-2018, 04:55 PM
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As I've mentioned in a couple other threads, I have a beaver infestation problem on my (and adjoining) properties. As part of the solution, I contacted the State,...
That was your first mistake.

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...which contracts with the USDA for Wildlife Management officers/technicians.
Steee-rike two...

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Old 05-03-2018, 05:11 PM
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That was your first mistake.



Steee-rike two...

I don't think contacting State wildlife management was a "mistake"... I don't have the knowledge, skill, or experiance to manage this issue on my own. I'm not a trapper, I wouldn't know how or where to set traps efficiently, and I don't have access to explosives to remove a lodge or 300 foot long,, 4 foot high, 6 foot thick dam... the days of buying dynamite OTC at the hardware store are 40 years past....

Nor do I have control over who the State works with for such issues...

My experiances with this individual have been 100% positive, AND I'll learn some fundementals so I can manage such issues better myself in the future. While he may not become my new best friend, he asked about the fishing in the ponds, and will probalbly be out with his wife and kid on occasion...

I would fully expect such an employee to be armed, both because of the nature of his daily duties and his access to, transportation of, and regular use of explosives...

I simply found it peculiar that he was a credentialed LEO, as he has no enforcement duties or authority.
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Old 05-03-2018, 05:43 PM
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I know the US Forest Service...has SWAT teams all over the place.

Part of my Patrol area way back was USFS property. You couldn't get one of their LE guys to respond to anything short of a forest fire. What a joke. Though not to the taxpayers footing the bill.

There's a reason many of us in the West refer to them as the Forest Circus.
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