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Old 10-30-2017, 04:36 PM
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Valor compared with Specialist

I both like the Valor and the Specialist in 45 ACP. Both are being sold at the same price which made me curious. Do these models share the same internals or even slide/frame materials (comparing both the black model or duty treat finished)?

If that should be the case then the Specialist is a steal since it has a magwell installed plus the rails.

What do you guys think?
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Old 10-30-2017, 04:49 PM
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The internals are the same for both models. For the Duty Treat and Stainless Steel versions of both, the slides and frames are made of stainless steel. The Valor comes in a Blued version and that version is made of carbon steel.
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Old 10-30-2017, 05:00 PM
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The internals are the same for both models. For the Duty Treat and Stainless Steel versions of both, the slides and frames are made of stainless steel. The Valor comes in a Blued version and that version is made of carbon steel.
I'm sorry, I may have not made myself clear. I am comparing the Valor and the Specialist with the stainless frame and slide coated with the duty treat. Let us disregard the Valor blued version with the carbon frame and slide.

Thanks.
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Old 10-30-2017, 05:04 PM
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As mentioned, internally they are identical. as well, both are stainless frame and slide The differences are:

1. As you have pointed out, the Specialist has a magwell and integral rail as well as ambi safety
2. the Valor is a more refined and better finished gun. it has a beautiful bead blasted finish in the stainless version (as does the specialist for that matter), is de-horned, and has a bit of a "melt" to take the de-horning one step further than just knocking the sharp corners off. When you hold one in your hand, you'll know what I mean!

Basically, the specialist is an outstanding 1911 that is intended for duty carry and the valor is every bit as good a gun but lacks the rail and magwell; but is intended to be a a more refined carry gun for the discerning gentleman.

you really cannot go wrong with either. it just comes down to which features you prefer. On the Specialist, you are paying for the extra features and on the Valor you are paying for the extra hand finishing.

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Old 10-30-2017, 09:08 PM
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The parts of both guns are of the same quality.

There are a number of features on the Specialist - which if you want/need them - makes it a compelling choice:
Rail
Clark rib
Magwell
Ball cuts
Ambi safety

The Valor - a more traditional offering - has a MSRP about $300 more than the Specialist owing to more time spent on hand fitting - and why DW refers to it as their flagship pistol.

Both should please you, but if I didn’t need the features of the Specialist I would grab the Valor in a heart beat at the same price.
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Old 10-31-2017, 07:39 AM
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Does a Valor really have more hand fitting? It’s been stated on here by Keith from DW that all their pistols are built to the same standard. That indicates similar amounts of hand work to me.

Originally Posted by Keith DW View Post
All of our guns use the same parts, are built to the same tolerances and fit. We no longer use any cast parts on any models. All parts are fully machined now. The main differences between our guns are the features and materials.

They’ve used the same description for the Valor for years and when it first came out that may have been true.
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Old 10-31-2017, 07:46 AM
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Based on what Keith has said about the construction of all DWs combined with my observations about the different DW 1911s that I own/have owned; I’d say that internals and slide to frame fit are the same across the line.

That said, the Valor definitely has way more attention paid to in when it comes to hand finishing the gun.... the melt treatment and rounding/smoothing of all edges and corners is where the extra time goes into the Valor.
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Old 10-31-2017, 07:52 AM
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It would be nice if DW would actually describe what makes a Valor their top model because it is a very classic gun without bells and whistles. It is not feature rich. I don’t own a Valor so can’t really compare it to their other models.
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:59 PM
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It would be nice if DW would actually describe what makes a Valor their top model because it is a very classic gun without bells and whistles. It is not feature rich. I donít own a Valor so canít really compare it to their other models.
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I agree. It's frustrating that the website lists the Valor as the flagship that gets the most work, while other company sources claim that all models have the same fit, finish, and attention.

Pick one or the other; they are mutually exclusive.

I'm loyal, and my next two 1911 purchases will be Dan Wessons - with one being a blued Valor - to add to my collection, but I find this issue aggravating.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:22 AM
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Pick one or the other; they are mutually exclusive.
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2. the Valor is a more refined and better finished gun. it has a beautiful bead blasted finish in the stainless version (as does the specialist for that matter), is de-horned, and has a bit of a "melt" to take the de-horning one step further than just knocking the sharp corners off. When you hold one in your hand, you'll know what I mean!
I think that's your answer?
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:43 AM
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For me the biggest upgrade on the Valor over the specialist is the higher trigger guard undercut and checkering. It just makes the gun look and feel better and in my book is the best factory undercut and checkering out there, I even prefer it to my Les Baer. Also the additional contouring of the thumb safety is much appreciated on the Valor. As much as I love my Specialist, my Valor is undoubtedly the top dog.
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:07 PM
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I’ve never had the pleasure of shooting a Specialist, but I absolutely loved both of the Valors that I’ve owned. Does the specialist not have the same 25 LPI checkering as the Valor?

I’m very seriously contemplating getting. 9mm commander and am debating another valor or trying out a specialist (they look awesome in the commander length) but not if the checkering and undercut are different...
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:39 PM
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Iíve never had the pleasure of shooting a Specialist, but I absolutely loved both of the Valors that Iíve owned. Does the specialist not have the same 25 LPI checkering as the Valor?

Iím very seriously contemplating getting. 9mm commander and am debating another valor or trying out a specialist (they look awesome in the commander length) but not if the checkering and undercut are different...
They're the same.
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Old 11-04-2017, 02:48 PM
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They're the same.
Thanks! That was what I had understood to be true as well. But, not having had the chance to shoot a specialist yet, I though itíd better double check.
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