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Old 10-13-2013, 01:06 AM
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I am woefully unprepared for a disaster, we are getting our food storage up a little at a time, we could probably make two weeks on what we have on hand but it would not be pleasant.

Unlike those of you in the gulf coast, a significant weather event for my are is more than likely going to cause you to be trapped in your house or trapped away from your house. If the wind is blowing even a little it does not take much snow to make life pretty tough and shut things down.

The one thing I noticed about Katrina and other such disasters in areas like New Orleans is that the majority of the people the media showed have no idea how to take care of themselves, all I herd was that the government needed to hurry up and help them.
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:20 AM
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All this advice is excellent for those of us who are blessed with the means to "bug out" when a disaster is threatening. Unfortunately, not everyone has the personal finances to leave their home a week ahead of time. Many of the folks on this forum are blessed with financial security (multiple guns in their collection). Not everyone has the cash or even the vehicle to leave town. That was the issue with Katrina.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:03 AM
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All this advice is excellent for those of us who are blessed with the means to "bug out" when a disaster is threatening. Unfortunately, not everyone has the personal finances to leave their home a week ahead of time. Many of the folks on this forum are blessed with financial security (multiple guns in their collection). Not everyone has the cash or even the vehicle to leave town. That was the issue with Katrina.

we also learned that these people less fortunate will steal everything every thing not nailed down, so plan accordingly .......
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:25 AM
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All this advice is excellent for those of us who are blessed with the means to "bug out" when a disaster is threatening. Unfortunately, not everyone has the personal finances to leave their home a week ahead of time. Many of the folks on this forum are blessed with financial security (multiple guns in their collection). Not everyone has the cash or even the vehicle to leave town. That was the issue with Katrina.
Their was more to it than that, even if the numbers the news were reporting were only half right, there were still quite a few people that hung around that could have gotten out in time. All it takes is planning and thinking ahead, and taking responsibility for your self.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:28 AM
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All this advice is excellent for those of us who are blessed with the means to "bug out" when a disaster is threatening. Unfortunately, not everyone has the personal finances to leave their home a week ahead of time. Many of the folks on this forum are blessed with financial security (multiple guns in their collection). Not everyone has the cash or even the vehicle to leave town. That was the issue with Katrina.
Beg your pardon? Transportation was offered and refused.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:25 PM
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looks like the unfortunate were doing their own disaster prepping...


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Old 10-14-2013, 08:00 PM
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Beg your pardon? Transportation was offered and refused.
Yes sir, you are right. The people refused to leave and I suppose they felt they would stay and steal the stuff left in unattended homes or else keep people from stealing their stuff.

I know that President Bush had the Troops and supplies on hold at Barksdale AFB in Bossier City but they could not move into the disaster ara until Blanco signed the request. She would not do so until things were out of hand days later. I think it was four days before she relented.

That said, getting all those Democrats out of a large bowl in the ground that was below sea level in a flood was a dificult task, especially those carrying large screen tv sets taken from closed stores. It was a mess down there and securing the town was a non stop operation. Every agency in the state sent rotating crews down there.

But honestly, I am not prepared for a bad disaster. I have lots of guns and ammo. I have a large portable generator and a enough gas to run it for a week. It will run the entire house. My internet service is private satellite system and only requires electricity. But there is never more than 10 days worth of food here and maybe 10 days of bottled water. Other than that, I am SOL.
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:37 PM
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Great Insight and info fellows !! I knew we had some members local to H.K and others that live in Hurricane zones that could add some good insight to this discussion and what was done right and what was done wrong !

Me, I live in Midwest, most likely tornado's and ice storms... and not a flood plane so this topic has been very interesting and informative. I still prep for a family of four to last 2 wks without power, water and food but I think I need to double up the efforts just in case the grid shuts down more than 2 wks !!!
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:14 PM
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Sorry that I'm a little late to this party but I didn't stumble onto this sub forum until today.

At the time of Katrina, I lived about 100 miles from the coast in southwest Alabama. That's were I grew up so planning for hurricanes was part of life.

Post Katrina, my small town was the first place that people could find gas, or much of anything else. Even this far inland I was glad that I had gas stored and didn't have to rely on the bare shelves at the grocery store.

Our PD escorted fuel trucks to as far away as Memphis to bring back fuel. This was to make sure that local first response agencies had enough fuel to operate on.

After the initial aftermath, we had to deal with the refugees that were bused in and housed in the defunct mental health facility. The refugees brought all of their old habits with them.

There are many layers to the aftermath of a disaster. Be prepared for hard times no matter where you live.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:49 PM
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I don't care how long your family has lived wherever, if it is in a high risk flood zone, side of a mud mountain, on top of an earthquake fault, or near a dangerous industrial business you take your chances. While I feel sorry for anyone who suffers a loss, it was completely their choice to live in a hazardous area. Katrina is the absolute worst. You should know you are living below sea level next to the sea. That is the ultmate in stupidity to me. I feel no obligation to pay for that bonehead idea. Taxpayers should not be responsible for personal stupidity. And after you've been told to leave yet stay? To me you have completely accepted responsibility for your actions, or lack of them.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:11 PM
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IYou should know you are living below sea level next to the sea. That is the ultmate in stupidity to me. I feel no obligation to pay for that bonehead idea.
My house at the time was flood zone X. My house didn't flood either. My second house (flood zone x) was 12 foot above sea level. My 3rd house since is 4 foot above sea level (flood zone x). Mammals depend on water to live. Wherever water exists there is potential to flood. Where water doesn't exist there is drought potential. No one is safe from natural disaster.

Where there is a river (or other body of water) there is flood potential. Without adequate water there is drought potential. There are maps of the USA that show where the demand for water exceed natural supply. http://newswatch.nationalgeographic....hortages_loom/
Drinking water is not immune to contamination.
Northerners face blizzard potential. There are fault lines everywhere.
Forest fires can be a problem too.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:29 AM
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Sorry that I'm a little late to this party but I didn't stumble onto this sub forum until today.

At the time of Katrina, I lived about 100 miles from the coast in southwest Alabama. That's were I grew up so planning for hurricanes was part of life.

Post Katrina, my small town was the first place that people could find gas, or much of anything else. Even this far inland I was glad that I had gas stored and didn't have to rely on the bare shelves at the grocery store.

Our PD escorted fuel trucks to as far away as Memphis to bring back fuel. This was to make sure that local first response agencies had enough fuel to operate on.

After the initial aftermath, we had to deal with the refugees that were bused in and housed in the defunct mental health facility. The refugees brought all of their old habits with them.

There are many layers to the aftermath of a disaster. Be prepared for hard times no matter where you live.


The "Refugees" were intresting. I live/work near Fort Hood Texas, many many miles from N.O. LA. It was explained to us that people from Katrina who had any ties to the Fort Hood area could be brought to our city. We at first expected "military family members", we got people that just wanted to come to the area. Our civic center was set up as temporary lodging. The weeks and months that followed were intresting for our area with crime going up.

It is a reminder that just because you are not part of the main disaster, you might get stuck with the local fall out, who have little worry about what they try to steal from whom.

Stolen vehicles, wanted felons, false names, burglarys, robberys, theft, drugs all went up like crazy. One would think "guests" to a city would act better. Lucky for our area they were all idiots that made things easy to deal with, but still a pain.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:19 PM
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:10 AM
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I spent two weeks in Gulfport after Katrinia. Our sheriff, a democratic appointee who was never a cop, got the brilliant idea to move some of the people displaced by Katrinia to our county. The Gulfport police thought this was a great idea. They told us to make sure we got photos and fingerprints because we were going to need them. The Gulfport police were right.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:52 PM
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Pack and leave, that's what they all should have done.
That goes without saying. But what happens if your best option was to hunker down due to roads being out etc. Or it was an earth quake without warning?
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:02 PM
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All this advice is excellent for those of us who are blessed with the means to "bug out" when a disaster is threatening. Unfortunately, not everyone has the personal finances to leave their home a week ahead of time. Many of the folks on this forum are blessed with financial security (multiple guns in their collection). Not everyone has the cash or even the vehicle to leave town. That was the issue with Katrina.
All those flooded buses come to mind and the worthless mayor Ray Nagin. Sorry,but they elected a worthless city government and half of the N.O.P.D. deserted their posts. The Chief should have put a warrant out for their arrest.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:21 PM
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Here in Phoenix we had an emergency shelter set up for families in our old Coliseum. Many came. Immediately there were volunteer workers setting up tables and tents. Many employers came out to offer jobs. Nobody stood in line for those tables. They were all too busy standing in lines for the free grocery and Walmart cards. Our crime went through the roof also. I hope we never pull a stupid stunt trying to help people again. Several neighborhoods where they settled went right down the drain.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:13 AM
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I live in Oklahoma...That said..I vividly remember that for at least three days before Katrina hit the La. coast...the news was screaming for everybody to evacuate the New Orleans area...The song says much

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Old 11-14-2013, 08:20 AM
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I learned two things.

One, for all of the cryin' and spyin' and lyin' our government does, they really don't give a rip about anyone, any region, any animal or any vestige of our Constitution. That opinion used to belong to the "tinfoil hat crowd," but now I believe it, too.

And two, I'm disappointed in modern folks. They make foolish choices and build in flood planes--then expect the rest of the nation to subsidize that decision. We love Schwarzenegger movies and spec-op firearms, then go to pieces when real courage is needed. And compared to the "CCC boys" who built much of our infrastructure during the worst calamity of our nation's history, I'm flat out embarrassed by own objectives.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:55 PM
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Many employers came out to offer jobs. Nobody stood in line for those tables. They were all too busy standing in lines for the free grocery and Walmart cards.
Some of my employees didn't want to RETURN to work for the same reasons. As long as uncle sam was buying, few wanted to come back. People that return to work afterwards would still take a day off to wait for free stuff, sometimes the benefit was worth less than the money missed from taking the day off. Work is backed up and I am shorthanded, it isn't like I can fire people over it.

That is one of the main reasons I am looking to expand into other states.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:52 PM
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Here in Phoenix we had an emergency shelter set up for families in our old Coliseum. Many came. Immediately there were volunteer workers setting up tables and tents. Many employers came out to offer jobs. Nobody stood in line for those tables. They were all too busy standing in lines for the free grocery and Walmart cards. Our crime went through the roof also. I hope we never pull a stupid stunt trying to help people again. Several neighborhoods where they settled went right down the drain.
Same thing happened in San Antonio, Texas. I worked the shelters as a security officer. For every 1 decent person just trying to get by, there were hundreds who were just trash and worse. We handled both Katrina and Rita refugees.

Of all the centers only one, the old Walmart location at Hwy 151 gave me any kind of a positive outlook. Those folks were up from Houston and very thankful for what they got. They were ready to go home and start rebuilding as soon as the roads were open. We were actually trying to convince them to stick around a few days because while the roads were open, the gas stations along the way weren't. Before heading out those folks put up a cardboard sign handwritten in English and Spanish thanking everyone for how much they had done for them and how they received so much more than they expected. It was pretty cool.

Working the Kelly and most of my time at the Windsor Park Mall locations was another matter. Kelly had most of the Katrina mess. The WPM location moved their Katrinas over to Kelly and for most of the time WPM was mostly Ritas from Beaumont, TX. Notice how I avoided referring to them as people.

My apologies to anyone here from either NO or Beaumont, but I got a serious case of hate both places after dealing with such a bunch of trash class, delusional, self centered, you-owe-me, I'm entitled why should I work, druggie, lazy, sub-human, garbage. I'm being gentle.

There were a very, very few who actually wanted to get out and work and take some control back for their future. One young lady came in with with a small purchase of sensible clothes, a big smile, and beaming because she was so happy she had got a job. She had gotten hired at a fast food place that would require her taking one bus ride, making a connection, then taking another longer ride just to get to work and the same coming back. Yet there she was early every morning heading out of the shelter with a smile on her way to work and every evening coming back. Her, I respect. The rest of them can rot.

Too many of them stayed and just like AZ said, crime, especially violent crime went on the upswing and SA is still dealing with it all.

So what I've learned first hand is: Don't take in refugees. Send them some basic supplies and help, but don't bring em into your area. If you do, or some get in, make damned sure they go back as soon as the roads are clear!

My wife and I were just stymied when people were bitching about having to live in the RVs they were given. First off, they were nicer that what a lot of them had been living in to begin with. We were living in a crappy mobile home because it was what we could afford and still stay in the school district or autistic son was in. We would have loved to have someone give us a home of our own even if it was an RV. My parents live full time in an RV and they're happy with it. We still don't own a home of any kind and I doubt I'll ever afford one.

I watched these, creatures, getting their $2000 pre-payed cards and going off to buy jewelry, big azz TVs, $400 Coach purses, and stuff while still in the shelters with nowhere to secure that stuff. One cow got totally belligerent over at Kelly when she'd spent all the money she'd been given and they wouldn't just give her more. They tried to explain to her that the money was for her to use when she got home to help her reestablish and there wasn't more. All she kept doing was yelling, "I needs mo money! I needs mo money!" Here we were making very little and the Texas State Guard guys who were doing so much to keep the shelters going who were making less, and all the various volunteers who were getting nothing more than food and a place to sleep and had taken off from their jobs and we had to witness this kind of sick greed and expectations. Instead of being grateful for food, they tossed it away and complained about. I was happy to get fed by the volunteers there during 12 hr days and it was good food.

That experience tells me a few things about SHTF stuff. Imagine if there were no shelters, no place for them to end up and no free stuff? Imagine this massive migration of greed and entitlement heading into an area, much like we talk about people fleeing the cities to the surrounding areas. A hurricane or storm of nature turning into a devastating storm of another kind.

It isn't pretty to think about. The scary part is that most of the people in the areas that will assaulted by this storm surge of two-leggeds will even have a clue before it's too late. This is something that people need to realistically assess and consider their options.

I also realized/discovered is that most of the decent people or at least somewhat functional made plans, evacuated early, and had friends and relatives to go to. Some used savings, credit cards, whatever, to get rooms in areas where there were the services set up as well. All of these came by to register for assistance and to get their names in the system if needed for later paperwork. They knew who would be in the shelters, who lived in their areas, and they did not want to be in there with them. Some of them even slept in their cars rather than go to the shelters.

Another lesson I learned. Stay the hell out of the shelters.
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:56 AM
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:54 PM
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I was/am a first responder. In the National Guard we went into Katrina and were the first ones in on Rita.

I have found every State is different for how ready they are (Texas is more ready than mosts states from what I know and have seen). I took part in setting up a few of the Texas mass exit plans and it is well set up. Best bet is exit when warning come, dont wait till it is to late. Take what is important, secure what you leave behind as best you can.

Dont expect the Federal Government to do much but write checks and spend money on silly programs. Be ready to care for yourself for a few days. Be ready for what might happen in your area (wind/water/fire/electricity).

Even in Texas, we took in guns if you had them out on the street. Dont go out in public armed with a long gun.

Obey cerfews, dont steal a generator and run it indoors, it is not stealing if you just take what you really need to live. If its luxury, its stealing.

If you live in the county seat, you will get supplies. The county seat is not always the largest city. The Goverment/FEMA wants rules and regs followed over real help/aid.

Pets and Animals are priority for some. Take your pets with you.

No matter how bad you think things are, soldiers have done more with less than what you have, so be ready to suck up bad situations.

Police will warn one time. Then all bets are off.

Recovery is a group effort, you might have to give up on your project/property and help a neighbor.

Doing nothing but waiting for the Government is what everone else is doing, be different and do something.

Having tobbaco or alcohol can be better than having money.
Don't know the exact circumstances, of course, but it is perfectly legal to carry a long gun in public in Texas.
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:53 AM
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Leaving is all well and good if you have that option. I live about 8 miles from the oceanfront here in southeast VA. If you're familiar with the Virginia Beach/Chesapeake/Norfolk area you'll already know the roads here can barely handle traffic on a normal weekday with no accidents (and there's almost never no accidents). During evacuations it's a lost cause.

It seems like once or twice a year we wind up without electricity for 3 days whether it's disaster related or just 'cause. Seems like bad infrastructure is rampant around here. But we live just down the road from a fire/rescue station so the power tends to come back pretty quick. We've got candles and kerosene lanterns around the house for power outages and the pantry is full of canned goods that'll last a while. Nothing fancy, just enough to ride out hurricane season.

Only thing that worries me is looters sent by the government. The ones without badges don't concern me much because I'm on good terms with the neighbor that has bigger guns than I do. Between the 2 of us, this street should be pretty well defended against the typical 2 legged varmints. I don't think that there would be anything we could do about the ones in APC's claiming to be from the government, and "here to help." If what I've seen of the Katrina aftermath is their idea of helping, I'd just as soon have them go "help" someone else and leave me to deal with my small piece of dirt myself. My current plan is to ride out the storm, then pack up my guns and dog and bug out when the government moves in. Their "help" is more hazardous than the disaster itself imo. I'll cleanup when they're out of the area.
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