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Old 03-24-2020, 08:46 PM
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Hi Power purchase

Hi all,

I found a seller with this 2001 Hi Power "Target Model".



I already have a 2014 in polished blue, but I kinda liked the silver finish on this one. I was saving up for a CZ TSO, but I thought this would make a nice addition to the collection. Seller is asking $1000 but he's willing to take $850. Fair price and grab it? Pass and continue to save for the TSO? Stop buying guns and stockpile canned goods and bottled water for the impending apocalypse??

I have not seen the pistol in person yet. Is there anything specific I should look for as far as wear/damage?

Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Old 03-24-2020, 11:29 PM
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Ask yourself which gun is still in production, CZ's or HP's. That should answer the question.

As to price, $850 is fair IMO. I would pay that if the pistol was in nice shape
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Old 03-25-2020, 12:37 AM
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Ask yourself which gun is still in production, CZ's or HP's. That should answer the question.

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Good point, Don. Thanks for your input
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Old 03-25-2020, 05:24 AM
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Fair price considering it has everything original. I would take it if that's a picture of the gun. I believe it came with pachmayr grips.

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Old 03-25-2020, 07:27 AM
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Looks good, I'd dtch the grips for the originals or something more black. I have a C series and wouldn't mind adding another in a two tone, most likely a Practical which I had and let go..
Anyway, I doubt you can do any better than that deal, I'd grab it.

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Old 03-25-2020, 08:26 AM
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Good point, Don. Thanks for your input
If I saw a HP like the one in the photo at $850 I would be very tempted, and I own 3 "real" HP's now plus 3 clones. The only thing that would stop me is I would have to hit my savings instead of "gun fund" and with the current situation I'm avoiding that at all costs
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:57 AM
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>>>...Seller is asking $1000 but he's willing to take $850. Fair price and grab it? Pass and continue to save for the TSO?...<<<

$850 is a fair price for this pistol.

>>>...Stop buying guns and stockpile canned goods and bottled water for the impending apocalypse??...<<<
Perhaps stock up on Zombie repellent instead...or perhaps invest in copper Faraday mesh (much more efficient than Reynold's aluminum foil) as hat lining ??
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:35 PM
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>>>...Stop buying guns and stockpile canned goods and bottled water for the impending apocalypse??...<<<
Perhaps stock up on Zombie repellent instead...or perhaps invest in copper Faraday mesh (much more efficient than Reynold's aluminum foil) as hat lining ??
Well played, sir.
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Old 03-25-2020, 08:40 PM
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<snip> I would take it if that's a picture of the gun. I believe it came with pachmayr grips.
It is the actual pistol. Here are a couple more pics...






Seller does NOT have the original Pachmayr grips. He is second owner, purchased from LGS in its current configuration. Should I reduce my offer to compensate for this??

I'm so OCD about my new guns...I save EVERYTHING original and pass it along to next owner.
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:39 PM
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I wouldn't lose it over that but no harm in asking. Those pachmyrs are easy to find unless they called for the browning insignias, I searched for those for my '72 C series for a year and found them at a gun show $65. firm and i grabbed them.

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Old 03-25-2020, 11:13 PM
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>>>...I wouldn't lose it over that but no harm in asking...<<<

Same here. It's a fair price without the original grips. Had this H-P still had all of the original accouterments....it would be selling for more than the original $1,000 asking price.

There's an old saying in the stock market that may transfer to this instance: '..Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs go broke..'. Don't go for '..broke..' if ya' want this pistol.
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Old 03-26-2020, 09:43 AM
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It is the actual pistol. Here are a couple more pics...






Seller does NOT have the original Pachmayr grips. He is second owner, purchased from LGS in its current configuration. Should I reduce my offer to compensate for this??

I'm so OCD about my new guns...I save EVERYTHING original and pass it along to next owner.
Send me a PM I have a few sets of those grips in the parts bin. I don't use them.
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Old 03-26-2020, 11:46 AM
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Is the finish actual hard chrome ? I think the price is fate telling you to buy.

*I've always been amused at the HP PRACTICAL being only half hard chrome. If it were actually ALL HARD CHROME - it would be much more PRACTICAL in the real world.

I'm very happy with my thin rubber UNCLE MIKES GRIPS on my stainless Tisas. See Pic.
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Old 03-26-2020, 09:04 PM
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Is the finish actual hard chrome ? I think the price is fate telling you to buy.
Yes sir, hard chrome.

I prefer the ring hammer on your model, I think its more aesthetically pleasing. Wish this one had it, but its not a deal-breaker for me.
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Old 03-27-2020, 05:18 AM
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One more question.

The gun comes with one 10 round magazine and one 15 round magazine. The 15 round is obviously aftermarket, but I'm not even sure if the 10 round is a Browning factory magazine.

Was the original magazine supposed to be a silver finish on the 2001 hard chrome models?? And, with no factory mags, does that make the deal less appealing at $850?

Sorry, that's actually two questions.
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Old 03-27-2020, 06:34 AM
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I only have 2 HP's but love them.

Not sure if it really has collector value, but that's never been my jam so not sure how much grips not being factory matter. I'm not sure I own a handgun where I have not changed things, grips almost always.

To me the one thing aside from obvious visual issues I would check is that no grease monkey has been bending and grinding on parts to "improve" trigger. If mag safety is still active likely no one has gotten inside. But if you can't test it at least dry fire, hold trigger and rack slide, then release trigger to make sure hammer doesn't follow. The most likely outcome of a botched trigger job.

Mags aren't worth anything but MecGar's not crazy expensive.

Price sounds fair for what it appears to be assuming it fits your budget.

Plus the TSO may change in price and availability as their new 1911/CZ hybrid becomes move available.
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Old 03-27-2020, 07:13 AM
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One more question.

The gun comes with one 10 round magazine and one 15 round magazine. The 15 round is obviously aftermarket, but I'm not even sure if the 10 round is a Browning factory magazine.

Was the original magazine supposed to be a silver finish on the 2001 hard chrome models?? And, with no factory mags, does that make the deal less appealing at $850?

Sorry, that's actually two questions.
Browning 10 mag is correct and is a factory mag. Some date ranges shipped with nickel plated mags but most did not. IIRC during the Assault Weapons Ban they did not.

None of this really matters unless you know the gun is unfired since it let the factory and you never intend to shoot it. It has some collector value but not enough to stress over. If you like it and and can afford it get it. Don’t sweat the minor details.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:25 AM
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One more question.

The gun comes with one 10 round magazine and one 15 round magazine. The 15 round is obviously aftermarket, but I'm not even sure if the 10 round is a Browning factory magazine.

Was the original magazine supposed to be a silver finish on the 2001 hard chrome models?? And, with no factory mags, does that make the deal less appealing at $850?

Sorry, that's actually two questions.
The 10 rounder is a correct Browning mag and won't affect the price. In fact if it's a "mousetrap" mag (has the spring that drops the mag even if the mag safety is in place) that adds a tad to it. You could sell that to someone in a ban state since those are popular with IDPA shooters
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Old 03-27-2020, 09:34 AM
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Not looking for a "collector" pistol, but definitely want to make sure whatever I buy (used) I can get every penny back on if, God forbid, things go south (financially) and I need to liquidate...or I just want to fund a new project or purchase down the road. Even better if I can make a few bucks on the flip. So far I have not seen any completed GB auctions of a hard chrome HP (with original box) selling for less than $800. So I feel pretty confident in this purchase.

Thank you, gents. Much appreciated.
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Not sure that this is a valid comparison but.......

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/860454313

....and of course....'..askin'..' ain't the same as '..gettin'..'
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:04 PM
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2001 production pre-dates the AWB and mag capacity ban, so the 10-rounder isn't original to the pistol. Neither that nor the grips are really a big deal though. Just an FYI, on this forum over the years I've seen thread after thread where the OP was waffling on buying a gun that seemed to be a good deal, and by the time he finally made up his mind it was already sold to someone else. Just sayin...
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:10 PM
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2001 production pre-dates the AWB and mag capacity ban, so the 10-rounder isn't original to the pistol. Neither that nor the grips are really a big deal though. Just an FYI, on this forum over the years I've seen thread after thread where the OP was waffling on buying a gun that seemed to be a good deal, and by the time he finally made up his mind it was already sold to someone else. Just sayin...
The AWB ran from 1994 to 2004, so the 10 round mag would be correct for the manufacture date. My FN marked SFS model is also a 2001 dated HP and came with 2 10 round mouse trap mags, those I sold a couple years ago to someone behind enemy lines since I'd replaced them with Mecgars

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>>>...nor the grips are really a big deal though...<<<

In or of themselves the original grips may not be a big deal but....as part of the complete original '..package..' they sure as hell can become so....and make a complete original '..package..' a whole lot more attractive to potential buyers.
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2001 production pre-dates the AWB and mag capacity ban, so the 10-rounder isn't original to the pistol. Neither that nor the grips are really a big deal though. Just an FYI, on this forum over the years I've seen thread after thread where the OP was waffling on buying a gun that seemed to be a good deal, and by the time he finally made up his mind it was already sold to someone else. Just sayin...
You need to double check your dates because as Don Flynn already stated the Federal AWB ran from 1994-2004.
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<snip> and I own 3 "real" HP's now </snip>
Hey, Don...what did you mean by "real"?? Were some considered more authentic than others?
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