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Old 03-30-2020, 04:01 PM
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The truth about N95 masks

I rarely agree with that leftist rag, the New Yawk Times, but I do agree with them on their position about the N95 masks in an article at the bottom of this post.

I believe that if Joe Average wears them, it would cut down on the transmission.

The CDC has stated publicly that the N95 are not needed by the average person not in health care or in public service. Its about the only thing that they have said that I simply cannot agree with. The reality is they are fully aware that if the CDC or any governmental agency recommended that everyone wears them, they would be snatched up just like toilet paper and the demand would never let down.

The CDC recommendation was made for a supply-demand reason, not the health of Americans, which I believe is back-firing.

A few articles:
Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired

To help manage the shortage, the authorities sent a message that made them untrustworthy.


and

Why WHO is Wrong in its Anti-mask Approach to Fight the Coronavirus Pandemic

Apart from the studies, examples of how countries like Hong Kong, Mongolia, South Korea and Taiwan were successful in containing the spread of the virus despite emerging as epicentres shows the effectiveness of masks.


more:

More Americans Should Probably Wear Masks for Protection


How the World’s Richest Country Ran Out of a 75-Cent Face Mask

A very American story about capitalism consuming our national preparedness and resiliency.


Experts have started to question whether masks may offer at least some protection to healthy individuals and essential workers.

In Asia, many people routinely wear face masks... long before this pandemic.

Maybe that is why South Korea has done such a good job managing the epidemic among other things like early testing.

An article from 2014:

A quick history of why Asians wear surgical masks in public
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Old 03-30-2020, 04:10 PM
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Old 03-30-2020, 04:34 PM
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Anyone been to China in the last 25 yrs???

The air quality is horrible. It makes your eyes burn. Wearing contacts for more than about 8 hrs is tough. After being there for a week my throat burned and I had constant congestion. My symptoms cleared up on the plane ride home.

They all wear masks in an attempt to filter out all the crap that's in the air.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:04 PM
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+1911 for sharing all of this PolymerMan.

Since I have no particular skills/education on such matters, I'm dependent on other sources for whatever knowledge/opinions I have as to this matter.

My intuition has always been similar to what you've shared. Intuition, of course, doesn't make proven correctness, but it's nonetheless not something that most of us shove aside. If most of us don't know something with certainty, we generally go with our best information or intuition.

TRSOtto is correct about China. It's really bad in places near or downwind of heavy polluters. Sometimes blocking-out visibility. Coal burning power stations and steel mills, with minimal filtration systems, emit incredible quantities of pollutants... among many other sources of extreme pollution. Pollution of waterways, even ground water, is often a similar situation. Still, my experiences in other Asian countries indicate that wearing of masks is not limited to places with bad air pollution. It's also common in places with very clean air.

All this aside, there's no way I'm going to be able to acquire N-95 masks anytime soon. Using one is purely a theoretical discussion as of now. I'm just trying to stay as isolated as possible.
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:22 PM
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around Houston area mask have been like alcohol and hand sanitizer etc , non existent for a month or better. Of all places, I saw some at a corner fuel store yesterday at the cashiers counter for $2 and $4 ea. for some (that looked the same) that said made in USA on the package. Yes I was foolish and bought some.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:18 PM
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... and those who already have the virus should consider NOT wearing the mask since it may increase the viral load, worsen conditions for the infected.

China pollution? I thought we sent all those jobs to China to save the planet, lol.
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:49 PM
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Hospital worker in the Houston area here. The precautions being taken before entering a patient's room that's being ruled out for covid are the same for the flu, droplet precautions. This means N95 are not required for those patients, just a regular face mask with a shield to protect our eyes. Gown and gloves are of course required as well for those patients as with flu patients. Now tuberculosis does require a N95 mask and extra precautions as that is an airborne illness not just droplet as covid is. We also have our patients that are being tested put a mask on as an extra precaution when we enter their room. The general public believes the news media which let's face it, on a good day they might have half the truth and make up the other half.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:01 PM
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Anyone been to China in the last 25 yrs???

The air quality is horrible. It makes your eyes burn. Wearing contacts for more than about 8 hrs is tough. After being there for a week my throat burned and I had constant congestion. My symptoms cleared up on the plane ride home.

They all wear masks in an attempt to filter out all the crap that's in the air.
Agreed. I could not believe how filthy it was in Beijing. Especially at night when they really cranked up the pollution. It was beyond filthy. It was simply unreal.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:02 PM
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Hospital worker in the Houston area here. The precautions being taken before entering a patient's room that's being ruled out for covid are the same for the flu, droplet precautions. This means N95 are not required for those patients, just a regular face mask with a shield to protect our eyes. Gown and gloves are of course required as well for those patients as with flu patients. Now tuberculosis does require a N95 mask and extra precautions as that is an airborne illness not just droplet as covid is. We also have our patients that are being tested put a mask on as an extra precaution when we enter their room. The general public believes the news media which let's face it, on a good day they might have half the truth and make up the other half.
Except now there is strong speculation out there that COVID19 is in fact airborne.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:17 AM
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Hospital worker in the Houston area here. The precautions being taken before entering a patient's room that's being ruled out for covid are the same for the flu, droplet precautions. This means N95 are not required for those patients, just a regular face mask with a shield to protect our eyes. Gown and gloves are of course required as well for those patients as with flu patients. Now tuberculosis does require a N95 mask and extra precautions as that is an airborne illness not just droplet as covid is. We also have our patients that are being tested put a mask on as an extra precaution when we enter their room. The general public believes the news media which let's face it, on a good day they might have half the truth and make up the other half.
Except now there is strong speculation out there that COVID19 is in fact airborne.
If aerosol treatment is being used then yes it could be possible for it to transmit via airborne particles. It would not surprise me if some media outlet only heard that it could be airborne due to certain treatments performed on a patient while recieving medical care and stated that it's airborne while ignoring the treatment part. Either way, CDC's website is what I would check and go by. If you have an N95 and it fits properly, wear it if it makes you feel better. Just be sure to throw it out after 24 hours from use or when it gets visibly soiled. Also consider it contaminated if you touch it without washing hands first or with a gloved hand that has touch other items first.
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Old 03-31-2020, 01:11 AM
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... and those who already have the virus should consider NOT wearing the mask
since it may increase the viral load, worsen conditions for the infected.
Oh GOODIE! Then they sneeze and infect a bunch more!

Remember that the primary transmission IS via sneeze or cough. It spreads to any
surface near by, which transmits it when touched by anyone else.
(or is inhaled if they are near enough)

Your "solution" . . . may . . . reduce the severity for ONE person, while it potentially
infecting TEN or more.

Guess again.
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:19 AM
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Anyone been to China in the last 25 yrs???

The air quality is horrible. It makes your eyes burn. Wearing contacts for more than about 8 hrs is tough. After being there for a week my throat burned and I had constant congestion. My symptoms cleared up on the plane ride home.

They all wear masks in an attempt to filter out all the crap that's in the air.
Never been there, but when looking at my friends pics that was, I thought it was cloudy and raining. She said no, THats the air, it looks like that everyday!... YUK.
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:36 AM
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Common sense, if you can get an N95 wear it...

On Chemo since 2007, it works for me in flue season when I go into tight public places, like mega-food stores. Been using one for about 10 years or so.

For the last 10 years on and off, we've been debating the same thing on the forum that deals with the patients who have the same aliment as me ...There are those even on that forum who blindly follow medical dogma, and there are those who do some reasoning on top of listening to the medical establishment...Anyway, now with CV9, almost everyone on that forum (the patients) are scrambling to get N95 masks now - it finally sunk in!

It is ironic that the medical establishment is trying to convince the public that masks and gloves are unnecessary, while they scramble to get both for front line medical pros. This is logically in-congruent. Yes, the medical Proes absolutely are at higher risk, need them asap, and are truly all American Hero's. But still no reason for the CDC to blow smoke up the public's Butt by saying they are not beneficial for non medical. Indeed, if hypothetically, everyone who goes out in the public would wear masks and gloves (and do the other social distancing things), this entire thing would likely be over in 30 days. We need to get the economy going again, a good economy headed by a Conservative President is the best bulwark against the degradation of our rights and Socialism.

The market should be flooded with N95 masks in a month or so as many private companies are cutting over facilities to make them.
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Old 03-31-2020, 07:01 AM
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ps..BTW, I just read an article about RE: non-medical wearing exam gloves to protect themselves from CV9. All the same dogma's, don't need them, false feeling of safety, etc. Reminds me of those who say don't own a gun for self-protection, depend on the Proes to protect you.
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:35 AM
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Wait- is the suggestion that the CDC downplayed the value of a protective measure, weeks ago, not for reasons of public health or safety, but for some ulterior reason....?
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:52 AM
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Just out this morning - Ironic!

Better late then never, CDC is now "considering" recommending face masks...It is sadly "funny" (I suspect some lives could have been saved if they did this sooner), but I am glad some common sense is slowly sinking into their bureaucratic-dogma's!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...a6d_story.html
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:37 AM
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A simple face mask is all that is needed for covid along with proper knowledge of how to use PPE. You've no idea how many people I've seen with gloves on touch nearly everything in their vicinity then answer a call and touch their face with the same gloves defeating the purpose of the gloves. Saw that at the store the other day. These same people then touch their keys and wallets to get in their vehicles and presumably move their new purchase from car to inside the house with the same gloves. Those at risk (immuno compromised, older, respiratory issues....) Should take extra precautions for sure and educate themselves on proper use of PPE. Those who aren't, should don a face mask (not N95) as a precaution and we should be grown enough not to be told to wash our hands. N95 is required for airborne diseases like tuberculosis unless you are using something like a nebulizer on someone who has covid (like you would with the flu). If one chooses to wear an N95 and has a beard, you're going to have to shave to get a proper seal to your face otherwise the N95 won't be effective for airborne illness(seen this mistake as well in the store). As someone that is actively interacting with patients with and without this, take a breath and treat it with the same precautions as flu prevention. Media is blowing this way out of proportion and is causing more panic than is needed. Yes it is serious but what scares people the most is that it is unfamiliar and watching the over reaction of the general public which heightenes their own anxiety. One final note, why are we so trusting of the media when they are talking about medical concerns but immediately distrust the same media as ignorant and untrustworthy when talking about firearms? I've seen so little from the news outlets that wasn't speculation. Just food for thought.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:12 AM
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Oh GOODIE! Then they sneeze and infect a bunch more!

Remember that the primary transmission IS via sneeze or cough. It spreads to any
surface near by, which transmits it when touched by anyone else.
(or is inhaled if they are near enough)

Your "solution" . . . may . . . reduce the severity for ONE person, while it potentially
infecting TEN or more.

Guess again.
If an infected person while alone sneezed in the woods, are you still afraid of catching it? lol You might want to take your mask off to barf as well. . .
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Better late then never, CDC is now "considering" recommending face masks...It is sadly "funny" (I suspect some lives could have been saved if they did this sooner), but I am glad some common sense is slowly sinking into their bureaucratic-dogma's!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...a6d_story.html
Funny how some of the largest grocery and store chains (the ones declared essential) dance to the tune of the CDC when the CDC did not recommend masks for the average person, but when they reconsidered... all the big box stores changed their policy.

Until yesterday, March 30, 2020, all of these chains did not allow thier employees to wear masks. They were afraid that it would scare customers off.

That was until one grocery store employee became infected.

It makes you wonder how much of this virus was spread during the last 2 weeks by store employees.

and

The Chinese medical community scoffed at the US authorities last week for not requiring face masks for its citizen.

I think congress and the president made a big mistake on the 2.1 trillion dollar corona stimulus package. They should have put the production of face masks on "war powers" style production. Make that a super urgent item just like ventilators, and make sure every single American can have access to ample supplies of face masks and gloves.
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Funny how some of the largest grocery and store chains (the ones declared essential) dance to the tune of the CDC when the CDC did not recommend masks for the average person, but when they reconsidered... all the big box stores changed their policy.

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Yes, over the years, during flew season, while I am going through the check-out counter with my N95, I ask the courageous check-out ladies some of who wear gloves, why no Mask. "Not allowed". I tell them they should sue ;-)...And I also do seriously tell them how brave they are and that they are Hero's (and they are in their own way).
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:46 PM
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I hope the cashier is changing gloves after every transaction otherwise they are potentially exposing everyone they check out after the first transaction....
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Had to go get a routine blood test today. The techs had gloves, face masks, face shields and disposable gowns. Went to the post office after to mail a box and there was a flexible plastic barrier hung from the ceiling to separate the postal workers from the public but none of them were wearing gloves or masks.
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My wife is a kidney transplant recipient, and I have been wearing a mask and gloves the few times I need to go out. Today, at Home Depot and Walgreens, I had people get right up in my face and then ask if I had a spare mask they could have. Well, no, and please back off!

Maybe I will start wearing this when I go out:

I doubt that anyone will ask if I have a spare Shemagh, and maybe they will keep their distance.
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Old 04-01-2020, 01:11 AM
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My wife is a kidney transplant recipient, and I have been wearing a mask and gloves the few times I need to go out. Today, at Home Depot and Walgreens, I had people get right up in my face and then ask if I had a spare mask they could have. Well, no, and please back off!

Maybe I will start wearing this when I go out:

I doubt that anyone will ask if I have a spare Shemagh, and maybe they will keep their distance.
Pro tip, get some cheap scrubs from Walmart and people will run away from you when you wear them. Can't tell you how many times I've seen it happen when walking the dog (I live in an apartment). Same when gassing up or when you stop to get something. Just saying.
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Gloves have their place. But you cannot wear them all day and expect them to help. Put them on when you feel you may be exposed, then remove and wash your hands. Ref the N-95 masks, they catch 95% of all particles 3 microns or larger. The Corona Virus is smaller than that, btx 1 and 2 microns. Like the gloves you cannot, use them indefinitely. They eventually become contaminated. Some say they help remind them not to touch their faces. I have gloves I wear whenever I leave the house. Into a place, I purel them when I get back in the car, wipe the car down etc. I also use the gloves for opening packages and carrying boxes to the burn barrel. (Which gets a lot of use now) Fire is lit, gloves go in, wash or sanitize my hands.
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