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Old 07-26-2019, 11:39 AM
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Introducing the Counselor



The Counselor is a 9mm, 3.5-inch barrel, 1911 Officer Model, base on a shortened lightweight aluminum frame, complete with an aluminum MSH and grip safety. It sports a brand new slide design with "positive" serrations, the patent-pending Flush-Fit magwell, and much more...https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pist...pact/counselor



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Old 07-26-2019, 02:53 PM
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I saw one of these for sale recently, prior to the official announcement, and kept drooling over it! I think NHC hit it out of the ballpark with this one and not many options need to be added. Personally, I would like mine with a fluted chamber/barrel (not a website drop down menu choice, but I can ask on a phone call…).

The only question I have is this: Is the grip length proprietary? Because of how the mag well is designed it, it would seem to me these are at least 1/4 of an inch shorter than officer size grips That is similar to the Stan Chen magwell and full size grips. It’s important to know that going into the purchase.
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Old 07-26-2019, 07:10 PM
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I text a friend of mine today and said “Nighthawk has created the perfect carry gun!”

I’m honestly not a big fan of the front cocking serrations but that’s not a knock as I don’t like FCS on any of my guns :-)
Besides that, having a magwell on an officers frame is great! Plus I really like the new BTGS on this one as I have never been a fan of huge beaver tails.
There is just sooooo much right on this gun. Bravo Nighthawk! Bravo!
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Old 07-26-2019, 08:30 PM
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@Ytown1911, the grips are shortened to accommodate the new magwell design. We have the Railscales g10 grips that are pictured and we also have a set of cocobolo grips that will be available.


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Old 08-09-2019, 08:54 PM
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Very nice. This is an awesome new model!


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Old 09-24-2019, 07:52 PM
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:01 PM
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Stunning. Just stunning. I would love one of these in my future.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:07 PM
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Sigh
I’m picky
Changes I’d make (fairly minor)

I understand them and apparently the design aesthetic but I’d request the FCS be deleted

All black Ledge rear sight with gold bead front

Medium LOp solid trigger.
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Old 09-25-2019, 02:49 PM
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What's the difference between this model and the feather-lite?
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:17 PM
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Sigh
I’m picky
Changes I’d make (fairly minor)

I understand them and apparently the design aesthetic but I’d request the FCS be deleted

All black Ledge rear sight with gold bead front

Medium LOp solid trigger.
I agree, I'd also like more front strap checkering for the coin.
It's still top of my short list for purchases though.
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Old 10-07-2019, 10:45 PM
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I really like these but the gun specific grips are nearly a deal breaker and the $3,700 cost has to be the most expensive base gun price in their line-up
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Old 11-09-2019, 03:53 PM
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Well, well, a buddy called me this morning and said he was in a local Pawn Shop yesterday and they had a Counselor that looked like it was damn near un-shot and i should go check it out. Well, I'm pretty excited, it fits very well in the hand and I like the slide and I paid WAY less than MSRP so I can only imagine what they gave the poor fool that pawned this.

I was surprised it was built in April when the first mentions on-line I could find was July.

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Old 11-09-2019, 04:29 PM
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Well, well, a buddy called me this morning and said he was in a local Pawn Shop yesterday and they had a Counselor that looked like it was damn near un-shot and i should go check it out. Well, I'm pretty excited, it fits very well in the hand and I like the slide and I paid WAY less than MSRP so I can only imagine what they gave

I was surprised it was built in April when the first mentions on-line I could find was July.

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Old 11-09-2019, 09:13 PM
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Lots of jealousy here. That one ticks all of the boxes for me more or less, other than the price. Let us know how it shoots.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:50 PM
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At those prices I would pick up a Glock 26 or 19 (or both) and a ton of ammo.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:56 PM
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At those prices I would pick up a Glock 26 or 19 (or both) and a ton of ammo.


I’d love to have a Counselor. I’ve got a Glock 26 and plenty of 19s and ammo. The Counselor looks like a great little carry gun.


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Old 11-11-2019, 09:38 AM
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Well guys, I've owned many small 1911's, dozens in the sub 4.25" category and this is by far the easiest shooting, softest shooting and most accurate shooter I have owned. I'm not sure why and since it has an aluminum frame I was expecting more recoil and more difficult follow up shots but nope, this thing is incredibly accurate on double and triple taps and I rapid fire- unloaded entire magazines a few times at 15 and 18 ft ft with 6" groupings.

I did have the mag release go weird on me in this first session with it only wanting to depress halfway and it made getting mags out a b*tch as they had to be pushed out from the top of the gun.... but I took the magazine release apart when I got home and softened a few edges with a file and lubricated it and I think I have it sorted out, at least it depresses all the way down now.

Nighthawk nailed it with this gun, small, light, thin, accurate what else is there?
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Well guys, I've owned many small 1911's, dozens in the sub 4.25" category and this is by far the easiest shooting, softest shooting and most accurate shooter I have owned. I'm not sure why and since it has an aluminum frame I was expecting more recoil and more difficult follow up shots but nope, this thing is incredibly accurate on double and triple taps and I rapid fire- unloaded entire magazines a few times at 15 and 18 ft ft with 6" groupings.

I did have the mag release go weird on me in this first session with it only wanting to depress halfway and it made getting mags out a b*tch as they had to be pushed out from the top of the gun.... but I took the magazine release apart when I got home and softened a few edges with a file and lubricated it and I think I have it sorted out, at least it depresses all the way down now.

Nighthawk nailed it with this gun, small, light, thin, accurate what else is there?
So I understand you have owned several WC Sentinels. How would you compare size, fit, shooting, etc. Thanks.
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Old 12-10-2019, 06:13 PM
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Sentinels are to small (and I don't have large hands). I had two built and sold them as they were just uncomfortable in the hand

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This Counselor is a cut above, it feels lighter, is thinner, the slide treatment is pretty nice in person (and I'm not a front serration guy) and the integrated magwell is very nice. Maybe having limited grips options is a drawback, I'm OK with that for the moment

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All in all, after shooting this several times I would say it's the best, most accurate, easiest shooting compact I have ever owned and I have owned them all
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Sentinels are to small (and I don't have large hands). I had two built and sold them as they were just uncomfortable in the hand



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Sentinel compacts currently which I have two (one in 9mm and 1 in 38 super) are pretty damn nice guns.



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This Counselor is a cut above, it feels lighter, is thinner, the slide treatment is pretty nice in person (and I'm not a front serration guy) and the integrated magwell is very nice. Maybe having limited grips options is a drawback, I'm OK with that for the moment



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All in all, after shooting this several times I would say it's the best, most accurate, easiest shooting compact I have ever owned and I have owned them all


That’s encouraging. Thank you for the comparison and the photos.


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Much appreciated AZ.
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Sentinels are to small (and I don't have large hands). I had two built and sold them as they were just uncomfortable in the hand

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Sentinel compacts currently which I have two (one in 9mm and 1 in 38 super) are pretty damn nice guns.

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This Counselor is a cut above, it feels lighter, is thinner, the slide treatment is pretty nice in person (and I'm not a front serration guy) and the integrated magwell is very nice. Maybe having limited grips options is a drawback, I'm OK with that for the moment

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All in all, after shooting this several times I would say it's the best, most accurate, easiest shooting compact I have ever owned and I have owned them all
Any chance we could see a pic of the Counselor in your hand? I like the idea of this, but I keep thinking that the width of the mag well will fall in a strange palm location.

If the mag well was added to a standard officer-length grip it would be perfect for me, but I suspect it will be too high as is.
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Any chance we could see a pic of the Counselor in your hand? I like the idea of this, but I keep thinking that the width of the mag well will fall in a strange palm location.

If the mag well was added to a standard officer-length grip it would be perfect for me, but I suspect it will be too high as is.
Was thinking the same along with the lack of front strap checkering,I bet some full thickness grips would negate the former.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:29 PM
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This is a pistol I need to look into>

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I’m anxious to handle one. Heard a LGS just got one in and I will go over there tomorrow. I’ve got a T4 and I like everything about it except the weight. Seems like the older I get the more sensitive I am to weight.
In days past I had a Dan Wesson ECO, another 3.5 barrel pistol. But, I never could get it to run reliably. Was a big disappointment. It wasn’t as pricey as the Nighthawks but wasn’t cheap either. My mom used to say that a shoe that does not fit is no bargain at any price.
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