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Old 02-15-2019, 10:07 AM
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Entitled to your opinion of course, trouble is, you are batting Zero for the last 3 years in attempts predicting his demise. I expect the same outcome with this latest doom and gloom prediction.

Not that polls are reliable, they predicted his demise 2 years ago, but His popularity is actually trending up since the State Of the Union, he reached a short term approval rating well over 50% last week which exceeded Obama.
A lot of good things are going on for him right now. If he stays on message and keep up his attacks on "Socialism" it is going to keep climbing...Mean while, on the other side, AOC may single handily take down the Socialist movement (at least for 2020) with her stupidity, and arrogance. Besides the green deal, even Cuomo is pissed at her for driving out Amazon from NY - many 10's of thousand's of job's were lost to that state.
Here's your polls. A weighted average of about seven different polls so you can't accuse me of cherry picking a poll.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

This pole didn't. They predicted that Trump would win the election. Actually the only one to do that. They have a strong track record. They have Trump at 39% about a week ago.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...02_13_2019.pdf

I don't really care what AOC is doing. No point in deflecting for Trump. Trump can't hide his performance behind what AOC or Pelosi does anyway.

His lack of performance is based on his inability to get congress to support his agenda. Short of that there really isn't much a president can do except dig himself a deeper hole which he seems intent on doing.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:12 AM
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Trump is failing miserably. He never had a plan, just a bunch of promises, which has become more apparent with every passing month. He's put himself in a corner and is about to get whacked by congress. His popularity is 20% below either of the two last GOP presidents at this point in time. I'm not sure why anyone would expect any more from a NYC populist.

This is a bad news president. I thought Bush was bad. I would take Dub back in a heart beat.
You must be watching CNN because by virtually every indicator things have improved under Trumps Admin. Again, if the GOP didn’t have so many sell outs within them, more would be done. Internationally, Trump is managing to start leveling the playing field. Militarily, my guess is they feel much better under Trump than Obama.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:20 AM
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His lack of performance is based on his inability to get congress to support his agenda. Short of that there really isn't much a president can do except dig himself a deeper hole which he seems intent on doing.
Getting congressional support would mean giving into the demcoms...

If he caved to them we’d have not only open borders, but he would’ve replaced Kavanaugh, etc. Would you be happy with that?
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:32 AM
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Here's your polls. A weighted average of about seven different polls so you can't accuse me of cherry picking a poll.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

This pole didn't. They predicted that Trump would win the election. Actually the only one to do that. They have a strong track record. They have Trump at 39% about a week ago.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...02_13_2019.pdf

I don't really care what AOC is doing. No point in deflecting for Trump. Trump can't hide his performance behind what AOC or Pelosi does anyway.

His lack of performance is based on his inability to get congress to support his agenda. Short of that there really isn't much a president can do except dig himself a deeper hole which he seems intent on doing.
This poll does...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ez_track_feb15

You should care how the socialist movement is doing, it is a significant dynamic right now. It is going to help POTUS get re-elected as people see the two economic systems juxtaposed right next to each other going into the election.

About your opinion about how he is performing, the facts actually indicated the opposite. From the economy, to tax policy, to international policy, he is doing extremely well. And doing it with all the propaganda ministries going after him as well as an attempted coup by the FBI. But keep dreaming of his replacement, he will be out of office one day, in about 6 years.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:33 AM
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You must be watching CNN because by virtually every indicator things have improved under Trumps Admin. Again, if the GOP didn’t have so many sell outs within them, more would be done. Internationally, Trump is managing to start leveling the playing field. Militarily, my guess is they feel much better under Trump than Obama.
I don't watch CNN. I don't have cable or dish and I don't seek them out on YT. They are about as anti-Trump as Fox is pro-Trump.

Those GOP sell outs have to get reelected you know. Most of them are career politicians who don't do real well if they don't get reelected. They have to get a large portion of the independent vote to survive.

Trump has lost a billion dollars since he became president but he had 4 billion going in. If he loses another billion in the next two years which is likely he will still have 2 billion left at the end of his term. If he runs again he should be able to loose it all in 8 years. I don't think Don Jr has the gift.

Reminds me of a joke. A farmer wins a million dollars in the lottery. When asked what he would do with the money he replied, I guess I'll just keep farming until it's all gone.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:37 AM
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:41 AM
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Deficits are like ransom. The POS Democraps force it. The spineless Rs go along to get anything done.

I’d prefer they just tell em to pound sand. The low IQ voters will never support Rs anyway.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:46 AM
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This poll does...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ez_track_feb15

You should care how the socialist movement is doing, it is a significant dynamic right now. It is going to help POTUS get re-elected as people see the two economic systems juxtaposed right next to each other going into the election.

About your opinion about how he is performing, the facts actually indicated the opposite. From the economy, to tax policy, to international policy, he is doing extremely well. And doing it with all the propaganda ministries going after him as well as an attempted coup by the FBI. But keep dreaming of his replacement, he will be out of office one day, in about 6 years.
I know, that's trumps favorite poll just like Fox is his favorite cable news. I hear he watches Fox a lot to see how he's doing. It doesn't surprise me that Trump supporters would want to look at other polls or watch anything but Fox. Way too scary.

I'm not going to predict a presidential win this early. The economy and Trumps performance will decide if he gets reelected. I think a lot of it depends on if he actually gets the wall built. No wall, no Trump in 2020.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:51 AM
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We are very blessed to have our current POTUS. Sometimes I think Divine Providence is behind him to save this country from the Socialists (who ruin any country given enough time, causing misery and death)...Even now all the political stars are moving to line up for POTUS for a run and win in 2020.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:08 AM
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:11 AM
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. Declaring a National Emergency to "just build a wall"....is wrong. It is Congress ceeding powers to the executive branch .....and just as Harry Reid regrets what he did in his nuclear option.....Republicans will rue the day that that they ceed their fiscal power to Trump. They will win the battle and simultaneously lose the war.

National Emergency??? A $22 Trillion freaking dollar national debt is a freakin national emergency. But all 535 legislators and 1 President have their heads entirely up their asses on that one and continue to spend other people's money like theres no tomorrow.

Think about this. In 6 more years.....the interest payments alone on the national debt....will exceed the DoD budget. You get that??? The INTERST payments will exceed the ENTIRE DoD BUDGET!!

And a wall is a national emergency??? Give me a freakin break.
I'm all for border security and stopping illegal immigration. However, unless you plan on putting armed guards every 100 yards who are willing to shoot unarmed men, women and children a physical barrier won't stop someone who is determined. If there's a will, there's a way. I just simply see a new type of "mule", one who specializes in creating hole in a barrier so illegals can get through. A simple $2 rope ladder could get you over as well. What's the solution to stop the flow of illegals, I don't know.

No politician will ever do anything about any fascial problem and stop spending money the government doesn't have. That might make them unpopular and they might loose an election. We all know they aren't there to serve you or the country. It's to bolster their ego, line their own pockets, serve their own interest and get reelected. Any elected official should be subject to short and strict term limits and not receive a plush retirement deal for serving their own interest.

Don't ignore the fact that over half of the debt is owned by foreigners. That's right, most of the money for that interest is going to foreign individuals and governments. And once we get so far in debt that they become worried we won't be able to pay up, the resulting financial disaster will make the Great Depression look like a picnic.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:44 AM
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Getting congressional support would mean giving into the demcoms...

If he caved to them we’d have not only open borders, but he would’ve replaced Kavanaugh, etc. Would you be happy with that?
Actually, I think if Kavanaugh hadn't been confirmed he could have replaced him with some other conservative judge who could have been confirmed. Gorsuch didn't have a problem being confirmed. Lots of conservative judges out there that the senate would have a difficult time discrediting.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:52 AM
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Don't ignore the fact that over half of the debt is owned by foreigners. That's right, most of the money for that interest is going to foreign individuals and governments.
Not true. According to the US Treasury,
70% of the debt is owed to domestic investors. The remaining 30% is owed to foreign interests.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:59 AM
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We are very blessed to have our current POTUS. Sometimes I think Divine Providence is behind him to save this country from the Socialists (who ruin any country given enough time, causing misery and death)...Even now all the political stars are moving to line up for POTUS for a run and win in 2020.


I think the GOP better get a handle on their priorities pronto because a president with a 40% approval rating is going to be a huge liability in 2020. Trump has consistently polled around 40% since he was elected. I don't look for that to change much in 18 months.

I think this vote on the "national emergency" will tell us how much political capital Trump has with the GOP going forward. To date they've been shielded from voting by McConnell. All that is about to change.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:01 PM
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Not true. According to the US Treasury,
70% of the debt is owed to domestic investors. The remaining 30% is owed to foreign interests.
That's a big relief.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:02 PM
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Trump is failing miserably. He never had a plan, just a bunch of promises, which has become more apparent with every passing month. He's put himself in a corner and is about to get whacked by congress. His popularity is 20% below either of the two last GOP presidents at this point in time. I'm not sure why anyone would expect any more from a NYC populist.

This is a bad news president. I thought Bush was bad. I would take Dub back in a heart beat.
You wait and see, he will be elected again. For one, he's keeping his promises, or at least attempting to. Second, the left is so loony, half of those voters will either go for Trump, or stay home.

This is how it will be, take note.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:05 PM
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I know, that's trumps favorite poll just like Fox is his favorite cable news. I hear he watches Fox a lot to see how he's doing. It doesn't surprise me that Trump supporters would want to look at other polls or watch anything but Fox. Way too scary.

I'm not going to predict a presidential win this early. The economy and Trumps performance will decide if he gets reelected. I think a lot of it depends on if he actually gets the wall built. No wall, no Trump in 2020.
What would you prefer, we go by the same polls that said Hillary was going to win in a landslide? Or the polls that say the majority of Americans are against the wall? These polls are crap and I thought everybody already knew that. I trust no polls, not even fox polls. I trust common sense and pragmatism. What cnn says goes into one ear and directly out the other.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:08 PM
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In fact, why are we even talking about polls? They mean absolutely nothing. So cnn conducts a poll of 100 percent liberals...and the majority of them hate Donald Trump...what a shocker...lol.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:11 PM
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I’m fricking tired of the Trump bashing. DJT has done more for conservative causes than the last three R presidents combined.

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Old 02-15-2019, 12:15 PM
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Thank you!

It's not like these guys don't have another outlet to spew this bile.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:17 PM
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Actually, I think if Kavanaugh hadn't been confirmed he could have replaced him with some other conservative judge who could have been confirmed. Gorsuch didn't have a problem being confirmed. Lots of conservative judges out there that the senate would have a difficult time discrediting.
It still would’ve been caving to the left. The left is still crying about Garland when all they did was lose their own chosen game.
Gorsuch is vanilla, nothing to complain about, but the left still cried.

If Trumps wealth was doubling/tripling all of the trump haters and the left would be screaming for sure. Besides, I never saw someone put up their own money and put it on the line in the best interests of the country. If there is someone, please enlighten me.

I get it, you don’t like T, have fun choosing one of the 17-20 loons on the left.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:23 PM
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I'm all for border security and stopping illegal immigration. However, unless you plan on putting armed guards every 100 yards who are willing to shoot unarmed men, women and children a physical barrier won't stop someone who is determined. If there's a will, there's a way. I just simply see a new type of "mule", one who specializes in creating hole in a barrier so illegals can get through. A simple $2 rope ladder could get you over as well. What's the solution to stop the flow of illegals, I don't know.
That's correct. The military knows how to set up a perimeter. The first thing they do is build a barrier. Might be just wire and signs like you see on some military installations. More of a demarcation and a warning. Then they patrol it or install sensors. A breach will get a fast response guaranteed.

That doesn't happen on the border because the BP has no way to respond in a timely manner. Not enough agents. Distances and terrain prevent it. A barrier is just something that has to be defeated and it happens everyday. Once over or under it becomes a goat rodeo trying to round up all the goats in miles of desert. A little camo and a few Palo Verde or Mesquite bushes is all that is required to avoid capture. I suspect that at least 50% of the people that cross never get caught. A barrier would slow them down for about 2 minutes, 5 at most.

If the military were to provide security for that border it would look a lot different and there would be about 10 times the number of people on that border and cost about 10 times what DHS is spending on their so called security.

I spent a little time in a military security unit. Whole different ballgame.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:33 PM
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It still would’ve been caving to the left. The left is still crying about Garland when all they did was lose their own chosen game.
Gorsuch is vanilla, nothing to complain about, but the left still cried.

If Trumps wealth was doubling/tripling all of the trump haters and the left would be screaming for sure. Besides, I never saw someone put up their own money and put it on the line in the best interests of the country. If there is someone, please enlighten me.

I get it, you don’t like T, have fun choosing one of the 17-20 loons on the left.
I don't vote for socialists. Nothing more to be said about that.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:35 PM
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I'm still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall and the elimination of a $19T national debt in 8 years......

This comes from the same individual who among the many times he went bankrupt claimed that the slot machines the feds refused to allow him to operate simply blew up because they were simply so hot. The truth is that the casino's he highly leveraged to the point couldn't possibly do anything but go bankrupt. He's pedaled false claims and conspiracy theories his entire life. How anyone can possibly be surprised that he continues to do so is beyond me.
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:40 PM
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What would you prefer, we go by the same polls that said Hillary was going to win in a landslide? Or the polls that say the majority of Americans are against the wall? These polls are crap and I thought everybody already knew that. I trust no polls, not even fox polls. I trust common sense and pragmatism. What cnn says goes into one ear and directly out the other.
Good point.

Most of the polls in 2016 were so far off they were useless in any predictions.

Probably happen again in 2020.

I think we'll just have to wait to see how it shapes up.

Poles aren't building the wall either. I don't think anyone is right now.
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