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Old 08-29-2018, 11:12 PM
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It's built in the Ukraine and called the Fort-14.

http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/4-fort-14pp/

That's it!

Look here...

https://lawandcrime.com/uncategorize...neighborhoods/

A stock photo of the guns have been scrubbed clean of their markings by "photoshop" or similar and used as a generic pic when a pic of a barrel of guns is needed in the press.

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Old 08-29-2018, 11:27 PM
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It's built in the Ukraine and called the Fort-14.

http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/4-fort-14pp/
The version on their website is slightly different than the ones in the photo, but yes it appears we've zeroed in on the basic model.

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A stock photo of the guns have been scrubbed clean of their markings by "photoshop" or similar and used as a generic pic when a pic of a barrel of guns is needed in the press.
And let's not forget that this is the same press who will use a stock photo of a gun when reporting on a fatal stabbing.
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:10 AM
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The version on their website is slightly different than the ones in the photo, but yes it appears we've zeroed in on the basic model.



And let's not forget that this is the same press who will use a stock photo of a gun when reporting on a fatal stabbing.


Looks like the TP version http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/7-fort-14-tp/ vs the PP version in the first link.


There is also the R version too. http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/18-fort-14r/
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Old 08-30-2018, 12:39 AM
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Looks like the TP version http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/7-fort-14-tp/ vs the PP version in the first link.


There is also the R version too. http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/18-fort-14r/
That's the one

I still think the pile pic is shop'd.

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Old 08-30-2018, 12:53 AM
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Likely the TP version. The R has 2 extra pins below the takedown pin. They did shop all markings off of those guns in that pic.
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:39 AM
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It's built in the Ukraine and called the Fort-14.

http://www.fort.vn.ua/en/4-fort-14pp/
You are right. I confirmed it with some real knowledgeable people on another forum.

http://modernfirearms.net/en/handgun...s/fort-14-eng/
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:58 AM
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:34 AM
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I prefer the look of the scrubbed ones in the barrel. Wouldn't mind having one.

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The Fort 14 pistol has been developed by the 2003 at the state-owned FORT factory for Ukrainian security and police forces. In attempt to produce more powerful weapon, than the earlier 9x18mm PM Fort 12 pistol, the Fort 14 has been initially designed for the more powerful 919 Luger / Parabellum ammunition, and thus has locked breech design with longer barrel. Later on, designers switched back to the less powerful 918 PM/Makarov ammunition, which usually does not require locked breech system, so new pistol has been redesigned with the plain blowback system. However, it retained the easily detachable barrel, usually typical for locked breech, recoil operated designs. Compared to the Fort 12, the Fort 14 has significantly longer barrel and sight radius, both resulting in improved accuracy, and slightly increased magazine capacity. SA special "tactical" version of the Fort 14 is produced, with extended threaded barrel, which can accept a silencer, and with the accessory rail for light or laser on the frame, under the barrel. First production Fort 14 pistols went to selected units in Ukrainian police in 2003.

The Fort 14 pistol is a blowback operated, semiautomatic pistol of all-steel construction. The trigger is of double action type, with exposed hammer. The manual safety switch is located at the left side of the slide, and can lock the hammer in cocked or lowered position. Double action magazine holds 14 rounds of ammunition, magazine release button is located at the left side of the trigger guard base.
http://modernfirearms.net/en/handgun...s/fort-14-eng/

Hmmm?

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Old 08-30-2018, 07:14 PM
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What is a double action magazine?
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:22 PM
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What is a double action magazine?
It both loads and unloads.
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Old 09-02-2018, 09:49 PM
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It both loads and unloads.
That's awesome!
much better than the single action clips I've been using.

I shot up all the bullets and had to buy new ones
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Old 09-03-2018, 08:49 AM
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It may be a Model of the Forte 14 that is modified for the Russian market called a Groza-031.
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I like it! Who has them or how can we get them? I've got to have one.
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:51 AM
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Maybe Ian from Forgotten Weapons can do a review of one, for the benefit of us Yankees who don't seem to be allowed to have access to cool guns from that part of the world.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:08 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClWsYysfFco

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Old 09-03-2018, 11:31 AM
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http://modernfirearms.net/en/handgun...s/fort-14-eng/

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Old 09-03-2018, 11:35 AM
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Wow. So these aren't even real live firearms, yet the news media uses them for a stock photo in stories about guns. How ironic.

EDIT: Okay, so now I'm confused. There are two versions, one a blowback in 9x18mm and another that only fires a rubber bullet equivalent? I'm guessing the rubber bullet guns are the ones used in the pile o' pistols pic.
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Old 09-03-2018, 02:29 PM
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Wow. So these aren't even real live firearms, yet the news media uses them for a stock photo in stories about guns. How ironic.
Maybe it was one pistol pic at some time, then a graphic artist did some magic in software to make a stock photo and tagged it as "pistol" and "pistols" and "gun".

The voila, it's used everywhere when someone needs a placeholder pic for their story.
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