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Old 02-15-2020, 12:33 AM
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Would gun seizures lead to civil war?

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“We’re not taking anyone’s legal guns, we’re just changing the law so the guns are illegal
and then we will take them.”

But that doesn’t matter to politicians who are crusading against guns the way Temperance
activists crusaded for Prohibition a hundred years ago.

Assault-weapons laws resemble hate-speech laws.

Hate-speech laws usually begin by targeting a few words that almost no one approves of.

Once the system for controlling and punishing “hate speech” is put into place, there is little
or nothing to stop it from expanding to punish more and more types of everyday speech.

Similarly, once an assault-weapons law is on the books, there is little to prevent politicians
from vastly increasing the number of weapons banned under the law.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:40 AM
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No, because it’s not going to happen.

Do I think we’re in for more restrictive gun laws being passed.....yes.

The rank and file reservist, guard member, active duty, as well as rank and file LEO will disobey any such orders to confiscate.

I know it’s popular, and possibly prudent to consider those scenarios, but the left wing nuts will be very sad when any such orders are met with widespread displays of the figurative middle finger.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:56 AM
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Gun seizure, if it happens, won't happen "en masse". There are too many guns, and too few "confiscators".

I seriously doubt that there will be SWAT teams or national guard squadrons going door to door looking for illegal guns. I suspect the guns will be removed on an individual basis as they are discovered. What would be very troubling is some type of "red flag law" that allowed anyone to identify a gun owner.

With the vast number of gun owners united, we would win hands down.

At some smaller number, it might become a standoff; some loses, some wins.

At very small numbers, we lose.

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Old 02-15-2020, 06:13 AM
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As I posted several times, this will always be a Political-War in the main, with possible skirmishes involving violence from time to time. This Political-War, and it is a civil war in its own way will never end, not in this country anyway.

Here is why:
1) It seems to be "genetically-coded" ;-) into the human species that roughly 40% of them believe in individualism and 40% believe in collectivism, less individual right, significant government control. The other 20% don't know WTH they believe (#'s meant for illustrative purposes, not exact #'s obviously).
2) Hence the other 40+% are here, embedded with us, part of our society and always will always be with us.
3) Even in the fanciful-hypothetical, if a CW victory was won, how are you going to maintain it without stopping the other 40+% from voting and hence re-starting the entire cycle??? Will you lock all lefty's up? Ship them to a desert island? Take their voting rights away? Amended the constitution so that no Lefty Politicians can run??? You see how ridiculous this quickly becomes.

Is there a potential for violence? Yes, one possible place is in VA later this year and into the next. The Patriots may need to defend themselves from unlawful government violent action. We have a true and distinct clash of cutlers there, no incrementalism, one of the most free gun states, trying to be converted to one of the most gun-hate states in just 6 months...VA patriots always have to make sure that they only respond in SD, never start violence.

Another hypothetical which might spark violence is if the Lefty takes all 3 branches say 2024 or beyond (God forbid) and starts sweeping Gun-Control at the federal level. But again, the violence the government might administer to force unconstitutional gun laws across the country and the resulting SD action of Patriot Gun owners will be the ancillary story. It may push the Lefty back on their heels some and give them incentive not to actually enforce laws (which can be considered an accomplishment), but in the end, in this war, (most) power will be politically.

A third scenario, the place becoming like Venezuela might be the scenario where a SHTF scenario is resolved like a shoot out CW. This would take the Lefty owning all 3 branches and many years before we reach the point where most people (not just gun owners) had enough and get out in the street. Venezuela took some 10 years (guess?) to get to that point, but with our multifaceted huge economy it will likely take 20-30 years of total lefty control. So this scenario isn't going to happen anytime soon.

So don't sit around waiting for the SHTF to resolve this dynamic, go out and expand the republican tent, just like POTUS is working so hard to do now. Get that ~20% in the middle to lean to the right for good.

And as a side note, for the few uninformed on the forum who think POTUS isn't doing anything for 2A, think again - these are the "Probiotics" which will help keep our country healthy:

-Added ~25% of conservative judges to the Federal Judiciary.
-Having great success with the wall and tariff threats on Mexico to dramatically slow the flow of illegal immigration.
-Working hard to expand the ONLY PRO-2A party by expanding the tent to blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, etc.
And there are many other things I could add to this list.

These are key things which establish an infrastructure for the Constitution as we love it and 2A to survive. Being focused on giving up bump stocks is like a child being mad at his parents because they took candy away from him and replaced it with a healthy balanced meal.
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:26 AM
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Ahhh, the subject of insurgency, my bread and butter...
I don't think there will be an armed insurgency over gun rights. The math just isn't there to support it, nor are their strong national pro 2A leaders.
While its popular on gun sites to pound ones chest and talk about how you'll stand and fight, the securities and comforts of life, and the stability of family isn't something one will easily sacrifice. Americans are not made of the same stuff as they were in 1775...
The Mk 1 Mod 0 defense to this is "I'm staying and fighting "... its nonsense. In the last 5 years (probably more) there have been exactly zero pro 2A victories or headway in places like CA, NJ, NY, CT, etc. Lots of significant losses, and greater infringement. We have members in such places, and they stay.... there is no "fight", those places are wholly and completely lost. People stay primarily for $, but also for comfortable familiarity, climate, family... if they're not willing to accept any of these with no physical risk, why would one believe that they'd sacrifice all of that AND put themselves in harms way as well?
I agree with the "probiotics " (great simile by the way) as some secondary and tircerary things that may be of benefit. However, probiotics don't inoculate one from or cure cancer. They may make you a little mor comfortable, buy you a few extra days or weeks, but the end is the same. Cancer requires decisive, aggressive treatment; that hasn't happened at the National level.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:35 PM
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Ahhh, the subject of insurgency, my bread and butter...
I don't think there will be an armed insurgency over gun rights. The math just isn't there to support it, nor are their strong national pro 2A leaders.
While its popular on gun sites to pound ones chest and talk about how you'll stand and fight, the securities and comforts of life, and the stability of family isn't something one will easily sacrifice. Americans are not made of the same stuff as they were in 1775...
The Mk 1 Mod 0 defense to this is "I'm staying and fighting "... its nonsense. In the last 5 years (probably more) there have been exactly zero pro 2A victories or headway in places like CA, NJ, NY, CT, etc. Lots of significant losses, and greater infringement. We have members in such places, and they stay.... there is no "fight", those places are wholly and completely lost. People stay primarily for $, but also for comfortable familiarity, climate, family... if they're not willing to accept any of these with no physical risk, why would one believe that they'd sacrifice all of that AND put themselves in harms way as well?
I agree with the "probiotics " (great simile by the way) as some secondary and tircerary things that may be of benefit. However, probiotics don't inoculate one from or cure cancer. They may make you a little mor comfortable, buy you a few extra days or weeks, but the end is the same. Cancer requires decisive, aggressive treatment; that hasn't happened at the National level.
People are voting with their feet and moving out of NY, NJ, CA, & IL, second Amendment freedom is just one of many reasons. I don't know about CT, all that I can say is that I will not move there.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:50 PM
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It sure would mean civil war to me. What are you going to wait for...them making you bend over?
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Old 02-15-2020, 06:56 AM
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Thoughtful post sir.
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Old 02-15-2020, 06:56 AM
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In some parts of the country no... in other parts of the country yes.
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:12 AM
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Red Flags ass!
You call on me, I’ll burn your house down!
That’s what it will come down to. There will be retaliation toward the gun fearing libtard at the end of the block that fabricates crap. There will be several examples of this before it’s said and done. Get off my grass dammit!
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:27 AM
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Whoa. Some good posts already. This is going to be a l-o-n-g thread!

A couple of reminders:

*** POTUS has already checked in on his support at his last SOTU speech, which if true, will last for at worst case the next 9 months, and at best case for the next 4 years and 9 months......"My administration will always protect your rights under the 2d Amendment" (or something close to that).

***We can't get discouraged by worrying about what effect the MSM is having on this subject. They control the public dialogue, and will for the foreseeable future. We'll get our very tiny portion of the debate pie, but their bully pulpit and slanting everything in their favor will always work against us.

I kept seeing LOTS of "WE WILL NOT COMPLY" signs at the Virginia rally. When and if the green light goes on, it'll be jump or get out of the way for those who will.

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Old 02-15-2020, 07:34 AM
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No.

Most Americans are too fat , dumb and comfortable and will simply comply and hand 'em over.
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Old 02-15-2020, 07:33 AM
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If you pay attention to current politics, there are many things that could start a war. Gun confiscation would be more of a symptom of a conflict coming than a cause of it.
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:27 AM
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If you pay attention to current politics, there are many things that could start a war. Gun confiscation would be more of a symptom of a conflict coming than a cause of it.
Virginia? When the POS liberal retard Democraps take over, gun control first baby!
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:49 AM
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While our focus is on the threat to gun rights, we have to keep in mind, that particular threat is just a symptom of a much bigger and ominous mind set. Progressives want to control every aspect of what you think, say, and do. You can't separate the gun issue from the rest of what they want. It is a mostly non-violent cultural civil war right now and the battle lines are being drawn between groups that want less freedom and those who want to restore it. Unfortunately the government is now involved trying to define for us who and what the threats are, but they are lying. This is the start of totalitarianism and if it isn't dealt with soon there will be nothing left worth fighting for anyway.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:41 PM
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Virginia? When the POS liberal retard Democraps take over, gun control first baby!
re: VA.. OBTW- SOMEBODY in VA voted these Democrat idiots into office. Yes, they almost all came in from DC area- too expensive to live there on Government salaries- so they infest VA and take over like the Muslims. Perhaps VA can last long enough to stop the Democrats- perhaps not. NOT voting has consequences too. it elects Democrats. Pretty much is the same treason as voting democrat
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re: VA.. OBTW- SOMEBODY in VA voted these Democrat idiots into office. Yes, they almost all came in from DC area- too expensive to live there on Government salaries- so they infest VA and take over like the Muslims. Perhaps VA can last long enough to stop the Democrats- perhaps not. NOT voting has consequences too. it elects Democrats. Pretty much is the same treason as voting democrat
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Old 02-15-2020, 09:25 AM
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I wouldn’t have believed Americans would vote against beer in the 20s and everybody loves beer.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:19 AM
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Gun confiscation will occur, slowly....like boiling the frog!

We're seeing the reality of boiling the frog as Islam and Shirai Law are taking over communities in just about every state. It happened with communism starting with socialism.

Those who wish to change culture know time is on their. Sooner or later the constituency drink the Coolade! Guaranteed!

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Old 02-15-2020, 10:24 AM
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The political agenda to severely 're-interpret' the Constitution and Bill of Rights is no secret. By force if necessary. The America we grew up in is going , going , , , , ,
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:51 PM
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Gun confiscation will occur, slowly....like boiling the frog!

We're seeing the reality of boiling the frog as Islam and Shirai Law are taking over communities in just about every state. It happened with communism starting with socialism.
Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:01 AM
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Could you name the cities where the legal system has been replaced and Sharia Law has been implemented?
Take your pick.....New York, New Jersey, all of Cornifornia.....these are the states, but then there are the cities that adopt their own laws contradictory to the constitution. They are everywhere. As far as Sharia Law goes, these cities are adopting “Makruh” and “Harum” as their guiding point to banning weaponry. The supposed “fiqh” of the jurisdiction are going a step further than they have a legal right to. I’m sure the term Sharia Law was used a bit loosely, but you get the point......
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:56 PM
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Take your pick.....New York, New Jersey, all of Cornifornia.....these are the states, but then there are the cities that adopt their own laws contradictory to the constitution. They are everywhere. As far as Sharia Law goes, these cities are adopting “Makruh” and “Harum” as their guiding point to banning weaponry. The supposed “fiqh” of the jurisdiction are going a step further than they have a legal right to. I’m sure the term Sharia Law was used a bit loosely, but you get the point......
No state has adopted Sharia Law. No city has adopted Sharia Law. Liberal socialism is not compatible with Sharia Law. If they won't allow the Ten Commandments on the government property they won't allow any other religion either.
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Old 02-26-2020, 07:07 AM
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No state has adopted Sharia Law. No city has adopted Sharia Law. Liberal socialism is not compatible with Sharia Law. If they won't allow the Ten Commandments on the government property they won't allow any other religion either.
Settle down Wally, define what I said. No one put it in the constitution.
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