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Old 07-11-2018, 08:05 AM
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I'm having a problem with private messages. When I send a message I can see the reply, but after that I can't see any responses by either myself or the other person. Is there something I'm missing?
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:10 AM
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Private messaging requires 45 posts; this is a recent change. We were having scammers register, and then PM members.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:39 AM
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Private messaging requires 45 posts; this is a recent change. We were having scammers register, and then PM members.
And thank you for that as I was one that received some of those PMs.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:18 PM
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And thank you for that as I was one that received some of those PMs.
You are welcome. I know this is an inconvenience for some Junior members, but I think it's worth it if it makes the scammers go elsewhere.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:28 PM
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I was unaware of the scammers, I think you're doing the right thing by limiting rights of junior members like myself. If I had know that was the issue I wouldn't have asked. I can't stand scammers especially the ones that keep calling my cellphone.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:14 PM
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I appreciate your understanding. I'm not surprised you asked; the rules changed underneath you.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:27 PM
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I appreciate your understanding. I'm not surprised you asked; the rules changed underneath you.
Can a new member access others contact info and email since PM is now barred?

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Old 07-16-2018, 04:54 PM
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I don't know. Good question.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:08 PM
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As far as I know , only the pm's were hardened up . That said , don't post your exact email in the open . The thieves pick up on that too .

Here's some history on the pm reasoning .
https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=506248
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:45 PM
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Members cannot access anyones contact info or email address unless its posted in a thread.

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Old 07-19-2018, 06:14 PM
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Members cannot access anyones contact info or email address unless its posted in a thread.

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Oh okay, I had always thought a specific forum was a great place for others to make contact with others about their passion. And the PM system over Email is a better way to protect against those with ill intent. I am aware of scammers, but find restricting new folks for how many messages (45) is really restrictive. While it may not matter to the forum, many new folks come here to make contact with others they have heard about for all sorts of things 1911. But not now. I get scammed every day, on my phone and front door, but would prefer that over a police state of restricted contact. Now and then it is really refreshing to make new contacts about what we enjoy, this new rule is stifling to new, and old folks alike.

While protecting the membership is a good thing, we should at least be adult about protecting ourselves, restrictions such as this results in a great loss of our freedom. Something we in the 1911 community experience with ever more restrictions.

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Old 07-20-2018, 08:13 AM
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Can't any member click on another member's name and get a drop-down menu, with one of the choices being "send an email" to (members name)?

PM's may be restricted to more than 45 posts, but I think emails are not restricted.
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Old 07-23-2018, 02:17 PM
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Allow me to clarify. I was referring to accessing their email address directly, as in it was listed somewhere for them to use.

While the option to email someone through the way you suggested is possible, it still would not allow them to see the members email, and they would have to have the option turned on to receive emails from other members.

The alerted person would receive an email that someone on the forum sent them a message, gives the message, and gives them the email address of the sender. The email of the person being sent to is not provided to the sender.

The post requirement is to have members become established and allow mods to look for suspicious behavior as a vetting process. I have personally seen a spammer use postings from a few years ago as their own to confirm their legitimacy while trying to break a post requirement.

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Old 07-23-2018, 02:52 PM
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I do understand the intent of this new 45 post rule, however it reminds me of the senseless gun restrictions laws in many states, written and enforced under the guise of protecting us. We know it doesn't work, and only the law abiding are inconvenienced, those that do not care proceed to violate regardless.

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Old 07-23-2018, 03:22 PM
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We know it doesn't work, and only the law abiding are inconvenienced, those that do not care proceed to violate regardless.
In this case, the scammers are more inconvenienced than the members, and the members only temporarily.
It used to be common to log on in the morning and find half a dozen or more threads spamming unlocked iPhones, designer purses, stolen credit card numbers, porn sites and so on. It was a constant battle of Whack-A-Mole. You seldom see them anymore, because we've created hoops for them to jump through up front that they don't want to jump through. These hoops inconvenience the Moderators more than the membership, but spammers are rare now. Scammers are now an issue. I would like it if every member, no every human, was technically savvy and suspicious enough that the scammers starved to death, but until that time, we are going to try to protect the membership. If you have better ideas, please let us know.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:55 PM
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In this case, the scammers are more inconvenienced than the members, and the members only temporarily.
I must disagree with this, check the members list and note the hundreds of members who have been members for years, don't have 45 posts, none of them may now respond with discretion for a part for sale by another member, for instance. It's crippling to members with less than 45 posts, and it appears that less than 5% of the registered members have 45 posts, so the rule has effectively blocked over 95% of the membership. Many folks are not comfortable to post, but participate daily by reading and learning, they may not then enter into a one on one with someone they have found. I have added my Email address to my signature line so as to allow those that want to communicate with me, to be allowed too.

Even the OP of this thread is now not allowed to PM, I believe the rule is a knee jerk reaction. We all have them, but the shooting community is sensitive to the constant escalation of rules that do not stop the cons. We must be vigilant for our own individual safety.

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Old 07-23-2018, 04:18 PM
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How many of those members with fewer than 45 posts are active members? In any case, they are in control of their post count.
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:01 PM
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Tim is correct. I'd also like to point out that PM's are the most used way for spammers to attempt to either steal your login information (Providing fake websites that look close to the ones you're being PM'd on, asking you to check their classified ad, forcing you to think you need to login again) and using PMs to ask you to go to email instead of on the forums to take the discussion off site.

These restrictions are in place to protect the community. Those with under 45 posts will need to contribute to the forum to be able to PM. This also allows mod/admin staff to monitor postings and look for suspicious activity.

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Old 06-21-2019, 08:43 PM
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Private messaging requires 45 posts; this is a recent change. We were having scammers register, and then PM members.
That answers my question...
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:53 PM
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...and because many members first joined just to be able to contact someone for legitimate reasons, I include my email address for this reason, so I can be contacted, in spite of this rule, making me more susceptible to scammers, but I am a big boy, scammers are a part of life. This is a knee jerk rule.

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Old 06-21-2019, 09:07 PM
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...and because many members first joined just to be able to contact someone for legitimate reasons, I include my email address for this reason, so I can be contacted, in spite of this rule, making me more susceptible to scammers, but I am a big boy, scammers are a part of life. This is a knee jerk rule.

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Thanks for the info.

I just got up to 45 posts and my PMs still won't send.
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Old 06-22-2019, 09:29 AM
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Thanks for the info.

I just got up to 45 posts and my PMs still won't send.
Maybe because your last 13 posts were "welcome" in the new member intro sub-forum. The term "constructive posts" is used in the Forum Rule pertaining to the 45 post minimum.

We've learned that some new members try to run up their post count with "welcoming" posts.
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Old 06-22-2019, 03:34 PM
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Maybe because your last 13 posts were "welcome" in the new member intro sub-forum. The term "constructive posts" is used in the Forum Rule pertaining to the 45 post minimum.

We've learned that some new members try to run up their post count with "welcoming" posts.
This specific member is not a scammer based on his questions and interest. Granted the "welcome" posts may well have been for the benefit of the 45 required to now PM.

This is a good example of the fallacy of this rule as it punishes the innocent.

Scammers who really want in will auto post a series of posts written generically to appear as an interested post, after the 45 they can then do their will. They don't care.

This is exactly like the politically motivated gun restrictions we now must bear, while those that are set on illegal activity could care less and will not abide by these arcane rules that only inconvenience the law abiding. They will skirt around them, and then do as they wish.

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Old 06-22-2019, 04:17 PM
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You can argue this, but when was the last time you saw a post selling cell phones or stolen credit cards on this site? This used to be a daily occurrence.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:21 PM
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You can argue this, but when was the last time you saw a post selling cell phones or stolen credit cards on this site? This used to be a daily occurrence.
I must admit since joining, that I have never seen either of those ever.

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