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Old 02-09-2020, 10:18 PM
dwcooper dwcooper is online now
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Grip Screws

Being new to DW, and true 1911s as well I'm not sure which grip screws I should look for if I want to put a set of standard grips on my incoming Guardian if I decide to pull the slim grips it comes with and replace them with something like a "standard" set from VZ's website.
Can someone tell me what thread size they are and the length of the longer screws, and/or a source for those that are suitable for the DW frames?
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:51 PM
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You are going to need standard grip screws AND STANDARD GRIP BUSHINGS.

Like these
https://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...-prod9585.aspx

And these

https://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...prod70055.aspx
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:55 PM
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Challis bushings are without a doubt, the best Iíve ever used. Not sure if you want blue or stainless, so hereís a link to both of the full size bushings:

Blue: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/27-Hex...-4-pieces.aspx
Stainless: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/38-Hex...-4-pieces.aspx

Iíd get the Bushing o-rings too: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/107-Bu...-8-pieces.aspx

Grip screw o-rings are great too: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/110-Gr...-8-pieces.aspx

Black grip screws: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/55-Ful...-4-pieces.aspx

Stainless grip screws: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/85-Ful...-4-pieces.aspx

Challis has many other grip screws to choose from, but I only linked to the slotted ones. Thereís allot of choices when it comes to bushings, but if youíre going to swap out slims for standard, then you may as well treat your DW to the best.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:08 PM
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Thanks Guys!

So, can I expect to find slim bushings, o-rings, and screws in my Guardian when I get it?
And will I need to replace all of them in order to move to a standard grip?

Or does the difference in size of the bushings themselves mean that the screws for slim will also work for standard grips?
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:56 AM
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The bushings (think grip panel sleeves) are used to hold the grip panels. Since there are endless makers/thickness grips these days, your need for long/short (short/tall) bushings can vary. If the bushings are too long, the screw cannot hold the grip panel tight. The ‘O ‘ rings can help but the screws must reach the bushing threads. The risk of regular (long) screws with thin bushings is the possibility the screws will extend into the mag channel. All internal bushing threads are the same and will accept all length screws. (EXCEPTION: Special external oversized next size up bushings are available for frames that have been or are thread damaged. This is just “Be Aware” info). The take away (KEEP IT SIMPLE) answer is; if your grips don’t rattle, are snug and your mag goes in/out without dragging, then whatever mix/match you use is OK with the fashion cops.
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Old 02-10-2020, 02:20 AM
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I would replace Screws and bushings with standard thickness challis as said above. the gun will come slim grips bushings and screws. Some will tell you you can use the slim bushings I wouldn't advise this as you can crack you grips ect.
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:27 AM
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I have a 2016 Valor that was equipped with VZ universal bushings which allowed for slim or standard grips. As is my normal course of business, I removed the VZ bushings and replaced with Challis......as others have stated, there are no better bushings.

I will say, the VZ bushings were the softest metal I have ever seen used for grip bushings. Make sure you use heat (soldering iron) and a good bushing removal bit. Ask me how I know.

Quick call to DW might be in order before proceeding on.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:16 AM
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As other posters have noted, Challis makes the best design grip securing hardware. His system of related parts are top notch. He also markets service tools to do the change out that minimizes the chance of damage to the OE bushings that can put one into the weeds.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:25 AM
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Challis bushings are without a doubt, the best Iíve ever used. Not sure if you want blue or stainless, so hereís a link to both of the full size bushings:

Blue: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/27-Hex...-4-pieces.aspx
Stainless: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/38-Hex...-4-pieces.aspx

Iíd get the Bushing o-rings too: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/107-Bu...-8-pieces.aspx

Grip screw o-rings are great too: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/110-Gr...-8-pieces.aspx

Black grip screws: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/55-Ful...-4-pieces.aspx

Stainless grip screws: http://www.challisgrips.com/p/85-Ful...-4-pieces.aspx

Challis has many other grip screws to choose from, but I only linked to the slotted ones. Thereís allot of choices when it comes to bushings, but if youíre going to swap out slims for standard, then you may as well treat your DW to the best.
+1 on these suggestions. Challis is money well spent.
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Old 02-10-2020, 07:33 AM
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As other posters have noted, Challis makes the best design grip securing hardware. His system of related parts are top notch. He also markets service tools to do the change out that minimizes the chance of damage to the OE bushings that can put one into the weeds.
Joe
In addition to Jolly's comments, and being in the weeds with my Valor, Brian's small extractor tool does not work on VZ Universal bushings. Been there, done that!

https://challisgrips.americommerce.c...Extractor.aspx
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Old 02-10-2020, 12:42 PM
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Thanks a bunch guys, I think I have all the info I need now. Just have to wait to pick up my gun and see if I like the slim grips that are on it, and then go from there.

Great information, and I appreciate the tip on Challis and the links too!
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:59 PM
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Once you change to regular thickness bushings, another grip screw in either blue or stainless, also look at those offered by 10-8 Performance.
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Old 02-12-2020, 06:26 PM
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Thanks Al. Haven't gotten my Guardian yet so I don't know if I'll keep the slim grips on it or not. Hopefully it will be in and the background check back by Friday.
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Old 02-12-2020, 08:06 PM
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If you have to ask, chances are you should not mess with the grip bushings. It is very easy to cross-thread them and risk ruining the frame or at least have an expensive repair. Most of the time its actually better to get a different pistol than to start monkeying with the grip bushings.
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Old 02-12-2020, 09:03 PM
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Not my first rodeo. Or my first time working on a firearm. Just new to the 1911 "way". Been working with my hands for 60+ years. I doubt that these bushings will get the better of me. But thanks for the advice
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:17 PM
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Ordered slim bushing removal tool, screws, o-rings, and standard hex bushings from Challis today. Gonna try some standard grips. Thanks again for the info guys.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:00 PM
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Ordered slim bushing removal tool, screws, o-rings, and standard hex bushings from Challis today. Gonna try some standard grips. Thanks again for the info guys.
I have the Challis bushing tools and they are fantastic to use.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:40 PM
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Thanks Mickey, I expect to!

From the looks of things the slim tool should work to get the factory bushings out, right?
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Old 02-22-2020, 07:22 AM
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Thanks Mickey, I expect to!

From the looks of things the slim tool should work to get the factory bushings out, right?
I'm not sure what bushings DW uses on the Guardian. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the small extractor tool did not work on the VZ universal bushings that came from the factory on my 2016 Valor. What did work, was a slim extractor bushing removal bit from Brownells.

To complicate things, when I went to take off the VZ bushings, only one side of the frame had been Loctited and the other not. I used heat from a soldering iron to break the Loctite.

Due to the softness of the metal used for the VZ bushings, I would never have used the bushings in another gun.

If your Guardian has the Universal bushings from VZ, they will work on standard thickness grips.

If it were me, I would call DW to confirm what bushings they would have used on your Guardian.
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Old 02-22-2020, 09:13 AM
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From the looks of things the slim tool should work to get the factory bushings out, right?
I was able to remove 3 of 4 slim bushings on my Colt, using the Challis tool. However, I had one bushing that the slot was rounded, in which case I just used a common screw extractor, like this: https://www.amazon.com/Vermont-Ameri.../dp/B000GTOOWA

I suspect that your Challis tool will work just fine, especially if the bushings arenít staked + thread locked, just ensure that the tool teeth are fully seated and square in the slot. If the tool doesnít work, just use a screw extractor, itíll ruin the bushing, but it wonít damage the threads on your frame.
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Old 02-22-2020, 09:32 AM
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Thanks Guys. I'd like to save the factory bushings if possible. I'll know pretty quickly if the Challis tool will work or not. I think they might, as they are slotted. I'll stick the business end of my soldering iron in them for a few moments to loosen them up first. Slow and steady as she goes. I do have screw extractors just in case.
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 PM
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Got my Challis tool and parts. Replaced the bushings and went with a thicker set of grips. My grip on the gun feels much better now. The bushing tool worked great.

One thing I was not able to do was to use the Challis bushing o-rings with the Stoner grips that I bought. I did use the o-rings for the screws though. I'll be posting a couple of pictures of my new white G10 grips in an update to my Guardian topic in the 1911 forum.

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