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Old 08-13-2020, 01:52 PM
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Help!-New .45 acp reloader

Hello everyone. I have been reloading since 1974; however my main interests have been as a NRA high power service rifle shooter were in .223rem, .308 win and 30-06. In handguns, I started with .357mg, and .38 spec. I have added 9mm, .44mag, and .45 colt but I have never had a .45acp until recently. In January, I finally succumbed to the siren song of a 1911 .45 acp and bought a Colt classic 01911 css in .45 acp, and I loved this pistol so much, that I traded for a used .45 acp 1996 Colt Gold cup in great condition. Since I now had 2 single action .45 acps, the natural inclination was to buy a DA/SA in .45acp, so I bought a Sig 227 in .45 acp.Now I face a dilemma. I have been doing my research and I have 4 powders that are popular in this caliber, WW231, unique, power pistol and titegroup. I want to shoot hard ball sierra 230 gr round nose FMJ, with federal large pistol primers (brass is starline with large primers). Mike Venturino says WW 231 at 5.5gr. Other sources say power pistol at 6.6-6.8gr, unique at 5.5 gr, and titegroup at 4.4gr (rather snappy recoil). Which one would you choose and why? Or do you have a favorite load that you dont mind sharing? I want to duplicate hard ball ballistics at about 830fps. Thanks for your help! Ray

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Old 08-13-2020, 01:59 PM
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WW231 (aka HP38), being a Ball powder meters easily.

As you have noted, all will do the job, so it comes down to which does best in the guns regarding both functional reliability and accuracy.

Best would be to run tests with each powder in each gun to assess the gun's preference regarding accuracy. All should prove reliable functionally.

Cost and availability also come into play.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:17 PM
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:20 PM
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I use Alliant Bullseye at 5.2gr, 230gr fmj at 1.273. Chronos at 840ish fps in my Baers. G

For Power Pistol and Unique, I would follow the Alliant data
For Titegroup I would follow the Hodgdon data
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:24 PM
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I have used the powders listed and find them all to be satisfactory. As in the above post test 10 of each and go from there. Tight Group seems to be the powder of the day and in almost always available. Power Pistol not so much!

I have used a ton of W231 and find it very good in [email protected] 230 grn, FMJ! Some people dislike it at lower pressures because it's dirty. Like 38 Spl target loads!

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Old 08-13-2020, 02:48 PM
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I use WSF in 45 acp - but have also used titegroup.
I hate 231 - super dirty in 45 in my experience.
I tried to like Unique, but it never metered well for me - i traded what I had away a while back

People and guns are different - load some up with whatever powder you can find - if you dont hate the load - keep on shooting.

You should get over 1000 rounds with 1 pound of powder...

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Old 08-13-2020, 05:20 PM
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I want to duplicate hard ball ballistics at about 830fps. Thanks for your help! Ray
I believe the standard military 45acp ball (230gr FMJ) is 6.0gr Unique giving 830fps.
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Old 08-13-2020, 05:29 PM
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231 for me. Mostly because i have a lot of it. Bought a pound of power pistol but never got around to trying it.
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Old 08-13-2020, 05:42 PM
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Welcome to the club! That big fat case is a dream to load, and you will develop your own favorite powder, mine's 231...
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Old 08-13-2020, 05:47 PM
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231 for me...
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:22 PM
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WW 231 at 5.5gr. Other sources say power pistol at 6.6-6.8gr, unique at 5.5 gr, and titegroup at 4.4gr (rather snappy recoil). Which one would you choose and why? Or do you have a favorite load that you dont mind sharing? I want to duplicate hard ball ballistics at about 830fps. Thanks for your help! Ray
Of those options- I'd choose 231. (I've used 231, TG and PP for 45acp but never tried unique)

231 is a pretty good all around, with 230 gr projectiles.
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:27 PM
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I use Alliant Bullseye at 5.2gr, 230gr fmj at 1.273. Chronos at 840ish fps in my Baers. G

For Power Pistol and Unique, I would follow the Alliant data
For Titegroup I would follow the Hodgdon data
Thank you for your information!
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:29 PM
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I have used the powders listed and find them all to be satisfactory. As in the above post test 10 of each and go from there. Tight Group seems to be the powder of the day and in almost always available. Power Pistol not so much!

I have used a ton of W231 and find it very good in [email protected] 230 grn, FMJ! Some people dislike it at lower pressures because it's dirty. Like 38 Spl target loads!

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Thank You. What do you think of Unique?
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:31 PM
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Bullseye was my first powder when I started reloading. 5grs under a 230 FMJ pill gives me 830-840fps(I wanted to duplicate factory 230 hardball).
I like Power Pistol for the hotter loads & duplicating factory SD offerings (6.2-6.4grs here).
TiteGroup is a great economical powder, though I have gotten to 830fps with it.
CFE Pistol has been a great powder for me, though it takes more powder to get to 840fps (6grs).

I'm in the process of working up loads with Autocomp, Accurate 5 & BE86.

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Old 08-13-2020, 06:32 PM
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I use WSF in 45 acp - but have also used titegroup.
I hate 231 - super dirty in 45 in my experience.
I tried to like Unique, but it never metered well for me - i traded what I had away a while back

People and guns are different - load some up with whatever powder you can find - if you dont hate the load - keep on shooting.

You should get over 1000 rounds with 1 pound of powder...

JAG
Thank You. Yes, unique does not meter well. I will do as you suggest, load up a few and try them all.
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:40 PM
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I believe the standard military 45acp ball (230gr FMJ) is 6.0gr Unique giving 830fps.

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Old 08-13-2020, 06:42 PM
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231 for me. Mostly because i have a lot of it. Bought a pound of power pistol but never got around to trying it.
Yes I have a pound of w 231 and I will use it. I have a lot of power pistol and unique also. I will load a few of each and try it. I appreciate your help
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:44 PM
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Welcome to the club! That big fat case is a dream to load, and you will develop your own favorite powder, mine's 231...
Yes, thank you. With all the replies, W231 is at the top of my list. I appreciate your help
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:45 PM
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231 for me...

Thank you. Everyone seems to like 231 so it is going to the top of my list.
I appreciate your help
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:46 PM
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Of those options- I'd choose 231. (I've used 231, TG and PP for 45acp but never tried unique)

231 is a pretty good all around, with 230 gr projectiles.
Thank you. With all the replies, 231 is now at the top of my list. I appreciate your help.
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Old 08-13-2020, 06:52 PM
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Bullseye was my first powder when I started reloading. 5grs under a 230 FMJ pill gives me 830-840fps(I wanted to duplicate factory 230 hardball).
I like Power Pistol for the hotter loads & duplicating factory SD offerings (6.2-6.4grs here).
TiteGroup is a great economical powder, though I have gotten to 830fps with it.
CFE Pistol has been a great powder for me, though it takes more powder to get to 840fps (6grs).

I'm in the process of working up loads with Autocomp, Accurate 5 & BE86.

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Great info. Thank You. I quite frankly forgot that I have a cananister of autocomp. Do you think it has potential for the .45 acp? Did you say you have not gotten to 830 fps with titegroup? I understand that titegroup is a little "snapp" in the recoil. I used it mainly with .45 colt and I have not used it with anything else. was it "snappy" for you? I appreciate your help
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:28 PM
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Great info. Thank You. I quite frankly forgot that I have a cananister of autocomp. Do you think it has potential for the .45 acp? Did you say you have not gotten to 830 fps with titegroup? I understand that titegroup is a little "snapp" in the recoil. I used it mainly with .45 colt and I have not used it with anything else. was it "snappy" for you? I appreciate your help

Ray
I couldn't get Autocomp to get me to 830fps with 230gr (I think 790-800fps was top end). I'm trying it with 185 & 200gr bullets but they're still a work in progress.
I really didn't notice if TiteGroup was snappy, but it wasn't harsh, unlike Power Pistol which has a more noticeable recoil at the higher end charges.
Right now, Bullseye & CFE Pistol are my two go to powders. But I have to mention that Bullseye with HiTek coated bullets produced quite a bit of smoke.

BTW, I forgot to mention I have used 231 but had the best results with it using 200gr bullets. Makes a nice, easy shooting target loads.

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Old 08-13-2020, 08:26 PM
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W231/HP-38 are favorites though for trying to achieve full velocity I prefer Accurate #5.

5.0gr of HP-38 and a 200gr LSWC is my standard range load and has enough energy that it isn't that much more recoil for full house loads.

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That is the first time I have read that assessment of TG though I have written it several times. I like TG for reduced loads in Magnum revolvers but I feel that it is unsuitable for use in JMB's pistol.

That is purely subjective but I shot a couple of mags of reduced loads behind 200gr LRN bullets and stopped at the end of the second load in the ladder I had worked up and pulled the remaining rounds down I disliked it so much...

It does burn clean, I won't deny that. It just doesn't feel right to me in the 1911.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:26 PM
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I find 3.9 to 4.1 of Clays (regular Clays ) under a 200 gr LSWC at 1.240” OAL to be a nice soft load. Accurate. Clean. Cycles every .45 acp 1911 I own. I have no need to beat up the gun or me with stout loads.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:44 PM
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I have read that 6.0 grains of Unique under 230 grain FMJ was the hardball equivalent. At other times I have read that 6.5 grains of Unique was the hardball equivalent load.
Personally, I have loaded a lot of 230 grain FMJFP with 6.4 grains of Unique for shooting pins. I don't have a chronograph, but it "feels" like factory hardball, for whatever that's worth.
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