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Old 08-12-2020, 09:10 PM
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I'm a Para Ordnance fan, too.

Many of the parts to these pistols are directly replaceable with 1911 parts and the controls are basically the same except for the amazing LDA trigger. It's almost a 1911... and I have no qualms carrying either one of them.
The LDA trigger is a nice gimmick sales pitch; the Para LDA guns are all still single action guns. I was always taught that a single action trigger does one job - once it is cocked, pulling the trigger releases the hammer. A double action trigger - well you know how it works!

Colt's Double Eagle and Seecamp's DA Conversion of the 1911 are true double action pistols. You can repeatedly pull the trigger without cycling the slide either manually or by the recoil from a fired round. You can't do that with a Para LDA; the slide must be activated manually or by recoil.

Don't misinterpret my comments; I like the P14-45LDA and C6.45LDA; but they are just "fancy single action guns"!
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Old 08-12-2020, 09:11 PM
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3 inch 45

sorry to put my 2 cents in..but here goes. One item that may give the officer size 1911 issues is if you forget to change out the springs on the right schedule. unlike 5000 rounds of a 5 inch some suggest to change springs as low as 500 rounds with a 3 inch.

I think if you do regular maintenance, good mags, right ammo for that particular gun and change springs, you should have a reliable gun.
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Old 08-12-2020, 09:44 PM
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For what it’s worth, my Kimber 3” Ultra CDP has been reliable. During the first 200-300 rounds it wouldn’t go 100% into battery when inserting a fresh mag when I passed the 100 round mark at a session. A little push with the heel of my left hand fixed that. I’d take a oiled cloth and wipe the feed ramp, and it would be fine. After the break in period, it’s bee 100% reliable, no hesitation to carry concealed.
My 4” Kimber Compact CDP has been 100% from the first round.
I know, I know, the Defender is highly regarded. Unfortunately, there are NO Colt semi-autos on the hated California roster.
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Old 08-12-2020, 09:51 PM
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I would say it depends upon the brand for the reliability. I once took a class and a guy had a 3 inch Kimber. It failed so many times during the class the instructor told the guy to put the gun up and lent him another to finish out the day. Rounds kept getting hung up during ejection.
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:30 AM
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I would say it depends upon the brand for the reliability. I once took a class and a guy had a 3 inch Kimber. It failed so many times during the class the instructor told the guy to put the gun up and lent him another to finish out the day. Rounds kept getting hung up during ejection.
Obviously there was something wrong with the weapon If it fails repeatedly reguardless of brand. I would love to ask the owner a few questions; had the weapon been worked on, what ammo was he using, factory mags, cleaning procedure, lube etc, etc?

Other than the above post, you will noticed a commonality in these post from owners of Kimbers when it comes to a 1911 with a 3" barrel, Kimber has really done a steller job. I too have an Ultra Carry that has never given me a problem with any ammo and is extremely accurate. My brothers experience is the same with his, Infact, he's the reason I bought mine.

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Old 08-13-2020, 12:42 AM
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I have the hots for a 3" .45 1911. Any thoughts on what I may want to look for, or steer clear of. I have heard they may not be reliable at times due to the short slide. Maybe reliability issues have been addressed over the years.
Colt's 3" model has a good rep.


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What he said A.K.A. "CCO"

After "the hots" wear off, consider something lighter like one of the little M&P guns. An all steel 1911, even in a short grip and 3 1/2", like my Detonics, was a big weight to carry around all the time.
I think the 3" 1911 is only about 5 ounces heavier than a M&P Shield.


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You always hear that, but I have 10 3" 1911's in 45 and they all work great.
Did they require trips back to the factory or the work of a gunsmith?


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Get a 4", 3" are a hit or miss that's why most of the big boys don't offer them! JMHO
FWIW, I think Dan Wesson has a 3.5" model. I never read a review of it.
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Old 08-13-2020, 02:48 AM
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The LDA trigger is a nice gimmick sales pitch; the Para LDA guns are all still single action guns.
Nope. Double action (with a single action feel).

The pistol's trigger has to be pulled to finish cocking the hammer. Check the patent. Moreover, not exactly a gimmick, either. The triggers are very nice. There were problems with castings but not with fire controls. I couldn't find the description by the Para founders, Ted Szabo and Thanos Polyzos. It's out there someplace.

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... the LDA models have an entirely different trigger setup. The key for the “Lightweight Double Action” (hence the LDA acronym) is the hammer cam, which is interposed between the main spring and the hammer. During the cocking cycle the hammer is pulled back; this movement causes the cam to rotate and to compress the main spring. Once spring is compressed, the hammer cam is held cocked by the main sear. The hammer, which is not directly connected to the main spring, is then returned forward by its own, relatively soft hammer spring. When the trigger is pulled, it raises the hammer until it connects to the cocked hammer cam; at this moment, the sear is depressed and hammer cam, powered by the main spring, forces the hammer forward and toward the firing pin; at the same moment, the automatic firing pin safety is released to allow the firing pin to hit the primer. This system, which is obviously based on the FN’s “Fast Action” trigger of the early 1980s, allows for a very light and smooth trigger pull, since the hammer spring is very light, and the stronger main spring is cocked only during the reload. However, LDA could not be considered as a “true Double Action Only” design, as it does not permit a fast second strike in the case of misfire; in this case, the shooter must manually recock the main-spring and hammer cam by pulling the hammer back manually (however, the Para Ordnance manual does not recommend that; instead, it is advised to cycle the slide and eject the failed round; this will also recock the main spring automatically). Another issue is that while the gun looks uncocked at all times except when trigger is being pressed, the main spring may still be cocked and under tension. There’s no way to safely release the main spring and hammer cam, except by a trigger pull; so, after unloading and before storage, the shooter must point the pistol in a safe direction and dry-fire it once (pull the trigger completely and then release it). Otherwise, the hammer cam will remain cocked and main spring will be under tension, and this could impair pistol reliability in the long term. Another unusual feature of the LDA is that the automated grip safety locks the slide when not disengaged properly by the shooting hand.
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Old 08-13-2020, 03:14 AM
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A double action/single action trigger is designed starting with the hammer down so that one “pull” of the trigger will bring the hammer back then release the hammer allowing the firing pin to ignite the primer. With the force of the recoil the hammer will be cocked again. The other means would be to repeat the cycle.

With ParaOrd’s LDA System the “hammer is cocked and ready to fire”. Unlike a true double action gun the LDA you get one pull of the trigger; it must then bet set by cycling the slide (shooting) or manually resetting the trigger/hammer. With the Colt Double Eagles they are true DA/SA gun’s; you can repeatedly pull the trigger until it’s released.
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:22 AM
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A double action/single action trigger is designed starting with the hammer down so that one “pull” of the trigger will bring the hammer back then release the hammer allowing the firing pin to ignite the primer. With the force of the recoil the hammer will be cocked again. The other means would be to repeat the cycle.

With ParaOrd’s LDA System the “hammer is cocked and ready to fire”. Unlike a true double action gun the LDA you get one pull of the trigger; it must then bet set by cycling the slide (shooting) or manually resetting the trigger/hammer. With the Colt Double Eagles they are true DA/SA gun’s; you can repeatedly pull the trigger until it’s released.
You are correct insomuch as the LDA is not like a "true double action" but it is a double action gun. The trigger must be pulled to complete the cock & fire sequence. Unlike single actions, the LDAs can not be decocked.
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:25 AM
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3" compromise? RIA CS is 3.5" and fits just right

I'm a .45 1911 guy and after trying a full size, I tried the CS (compact size) otherwise known as Officer Size 3.5" Springfield Armory that new with their top model cost me a bunch. Then all the articles about "If you are in a defensive shooting they'll confiscate your weapon" and "Gun free zones only mean one thing, if you have a 2a support decal on your vehicle it will be broken into and your weapon stolen". So I picked up a used Rock Island Armory .45 in CS for $350 at a gun show.

I was amazed the RIA shot better than the SA. Lighter trigger. More accurate on target. And it jammed less than the SA. So I sold the SA and used the funds to buy a new RIA as my rotation piece. I wear one or the other daily and the old one and new one both work great dirty, dry and with almost all ammo. I keep good quality defensive loads in it for the daily magazines. The target mags get gun show good quality reloads I bought a thousand at a time.
https://www.armscor.com/firearms/ria...ard-cs-45-acp/

If you really want to go compact, here's what I carry in my pocket when wearing an IWB won't work. The Heizer Defense PKO-45. I bought one the first month they were introduced and I've never regretted it.

https://heizerdefense.files.wordpres...6/01/pko45.pdf
If I'm going into a higher risk area I've got an ankle holster to carry the PKO-45 as my backup. It's kick isn't really that much more than any size .45 I've had.
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:39 AM
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...I tried the CS (compact size) otherwise known as Officer Size 3.5"
I agree, I have the same model and it's a fine little pistol. A bit strange to require a paper clip to field strip. I also have a Taurus PT1911 which shoots as well as my Colt Gold Cup National Match. Not too many surprises from the 1911 patterned pistol. Tried & True.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:48 AM
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I have had a number of 3" 1911's in both 9mm and .45 cal. From my experience the idea that they are not reliable is an artifact of the past. The Sigs I had were flawless and don't require sticking a wire in a hole to field strip them. The Kimber had an excellent trigger out of the box but eventually developed a feed issue when dirty until I installed a new recoil spring. I carried the ultra sized 1911's in the winter months for several years.
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:02 AM
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I have only one 3" 1911, a Kimber Super Carry Ultra in 45 ACP. It has been 100% reliable since day one. Never a problem. This is one of my primary carry pistols. I trust it completely.
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:42 PM
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huh?

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I'd get a 4" barreled gun with an Officer sized grip.

That extra inch of barrel makes a huge difference and means nothing when it comes to concealment.
a 3" bbl v 5" bbl? doesn't mean anything to concealment? I beg to differ. HUGE difference. as for the velocity difference- it is a .45- designed to be slow.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:36 PM
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Just curios what magazines are you running in yours? I think this is a great piece and I’m looking forward to getting mine soon. Thanks

I have two factory Springfield and four Chip McCormick mags. All work just fine.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:42 PM
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a 3" bbl v 5" bbl? doesn't mean anything to concealment? I beg to differ. HUGE difference. as for the velocity difference- it is a .45- designed to be slow.
Did I mention a 5" barrel?

Nope.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:30 PM
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I have seen 3 inchers to be a bit hit and miss when it comes to feeding.
In every time, only 3 total, it has been the feed ramp/throat issue. It was too little gap, and angles are a bit off not a lot but enough. This issue would make a 5 inch model have the same problem. No idea why this seems to be the case on 3 inchers.
When i built mine a few years back, at first it wouldn't feed, and thats where i learned a ton about tuning 1911s.
I am not expert builder or shooter but id like to think im an above average shooter, and with my limitations, my right hand shakes some as it was broken badly a long time ago, but at 7-8 yards when i take my time and do everything right i keep it all in the 10 ring, at the back if the range which is 20 yards i think I keep it mostly within the 8 ring, and im sure a steadier hand could do better.
This is with remmington umc 230 fmj, also does just as well with federal 230 grain hst. Also done similarly well with various jhp’s. So they can do very well, all i have tried are very accurate. The three i have tried all had a issue that was fixable within a couple hours of files and a dremmel and they worked like a charm.

So O guess short version is, when made properly they are great, when they are not, it is typically something easily fixable.
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Old 08-14-2020, 12:20 AM
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You are correct insomuch as the LDA is not like a "true double action" but it is a double action gun. The trigger must be pulled to complete the cock & fire sequence. Unlike single actions, the LDAs can not be decocked.
Frosty - The action of the slide in recoil or by manually cycling the slide cocks the hammer. Unlike a double action trigger the LDA trigger does not cock the hammer then release it. The Colt Double Eagle (Govt and Commander sized) and the Seecamp conversions are true Double Action 1911 pistols - with the hammer down pulling the trigger moves the hammer through the firing sequence. Even with an empty gun you can dry fire those guns.

Don’t get me wrong - I like my LDAS; and miss my 10mm Double Eagle and Seecamp conversion!
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Old 08-14-2020, 11:40 AM
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I think my RIA compact officers model is 3.5" & cost about $350. when I bought it years ago. It has been completely reliable since new. I modified it to my taste & it's a keeper. not a bad way to go IMO. Never even needed their great warrantee or customer service. I'd like to replace my awkward looking fiber optics with a set of NOVAKs I have - someday.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:21 PM
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I like my Kimber Ultra LTE bought used. No problems with Kimber mags and FMJ. Cannot recall if I shot self defense ammo like Critical Defense. But I do have a hankering for 3.5 inch barrel Officer-size pistol like the one sold by Ruger.
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Old 08-14-2020, 09:33 PM
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I feel this is a bit too big of caliber for 3". I feel bettter shooting 9mm in 3"
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Old 08-14-2020, 10:43 PM
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Two Colt Defenders have been completely reliable for me. But you should always make sure that your individual gun meets that standard.
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Old 08-15-2020, 07:00 AM
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I had a Kimber Ultra, great little pistol, never a problem. Mine was a 45acp I really didn't think it kicked any more than a 4 inch pistol. I had that pistol for a couple years, changed the springs at around 2000 rounds but it was functioning fine. I will have another some day, might get that one back, sold it to a friend. I believe Kimber makes the best 3 inch pistol and a lot of people would agree with that statement.
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Old 08-15-2020, 10:05 AM
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I have a 3” Kimber. It’s an Ultra, not an Ultra ll. Made in Oregon. Haven’t fired it in many years, but it was always reliable back in the day. I need
To dig it out and run some rounds thru it.
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Old 08-15-2020, 11:46 AM
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I have a 3” Kimber. It’s an Ultra, not an Ultra ll. Made in Oregon. Haven’t fired it in many years, but it was always reliable back in the day. I need
To dig it out and run some rounds thru it.
Go for it! IMHO the Ultra was a better gun than the Ultra II.
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