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Old 08-08-2020, 10:09 PM
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Slightly off-topic, but not by much:

I'd be interested to know how many -- I'm sure there are some -- have attempted or practiced off-hand, one hand shooting of 3" 1911s chambered in .45acp.

And experienced reliability.

Nothing snide in this question, as that's not my way of thinking. It's genuine curiosity...e.g., a shooter/gun that passes this "acid test" must be considered reliable.

If the test is not passed, it doesn't mean the gun is "bad" (etc). Instead, it merely points out limitations that a wise person might wish to be aware of.

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When discussing reliability, it's easy to fall into the "trap" of presuming it's entirely a matter of the gun itself. But oftentimes, in actual practice, it is possibly a combination of the gun and the user, considered together. Ammo, maintenance, etc., can also come into play.

There is a difference between assessing reliability in a two-handed, vice-like grip of a strong person and the other end of the user/grip spectrum...and everything in between.
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Old 08-09-2020, 07:35 AM
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Slightly off-topic, but not by much:

I'd be interested to know how many -- I'm sure there are some -- have attempted or practiced off-hand, one hand shooting of 3" 1911s chambered in .45acp.

And experienced reliability.

Nothing snide in this question, as that's not my way of thinking. It's genuine curiosity...e.g., a shooter/gun that passes this "acid test" must be considered reliable.

If the test is not passed, it doesn't mean the gun is "bad" (etc). Instead, it merely points out limitations that a wise person might wish to be aware of.

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When discussing reliability, it's easy to fall into the "trap" of presuming it's entirely a matter of the gun itself. But oftentimes, in actual practice, it is possibly a combination of the gun and the user, considered together. Ammo, maintenance, etc., can also come into play.

There is a difference between assessing reliability in a two-handed, vice-like grip of a strong person and the other end of the user/grip spectrum...and everything in between.
Good question. In my case I always practice weak hand shooting at some point with all my guns, but I never got that far with my Defender. There was never a reason to shoot off hand when I couldn't get the gun 100% reliable with a two hand strong side hold.
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Old 08-09-2020, 07:41 AM
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My old Detonics wasn't reliable until I worked the ramp/throat, changed the slide stop, firing pin stop, safety, ejector and the extractor. But other than those minor things, it worked right out of the box, either hand or both.

All said, I wouldn't bother with a 1911 that small again. If a 1911 was a must, I go with a 4 1/4 barrel on the officer size frame.
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Old 08-09-2020, 10:12 AM
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I am more accurate with my 3 inch Kimber than any of my other 1911s. Loves factory rounds and my reloads. Took it to the range yesterday and I shot it very well at the metal targets. Not perfectly of course, but then at the 7 yard target distance much better.
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Old 08-09-2020, 10:30 AM
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The reason I sold all my 3"-3.5" 1911 pistols is because I couldn't get them to run reliably shooting them weak hand.

One handed strong hand...no problem. One hand weak hand....big problem.

Also going from a 3" barrel to a 4" barrel actually means a 50% increase in usable barrel.

A 3" barrel 1911 has just under 2" of rifled barrel. A 4" barrel has just under 3" of rifled barrel.

The 1911 chamber takes up over 1.25" of the barrel.
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:14 AM
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The reason I sold all my 3"-3.5" 1911 pistols is because I couldn't get them to run reliably shooting them weak hand.

One handed strong hand...no problem. One hand weak hand....big problem.

Also going from a 3" barrel to a 4" barrel actually means a 50% increase in usable barrel.

A 3" barrel 1911 has just under 2" of rifled barrel. A 4" barrel has just under 3" of rifled barrel.

The 1911 chamber takes up over 1.25" of the barrel.
Excellent input. Both points.

While I'd never suggest that someone else should part with any 1911, it is wise for someone to test the reliability of each gun under a variety of practical circumstances.

If the gun doesn't run reliably in the more demanding tests, it is good for the owner/user to be so aware. Awareness is good, no matter whether the owner/user decides to continue using the gun for carry/critical SD or not.
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Old 08-09-2020, 01:32 PM
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My Kimber Ultra CDP II has run fine since day one. I had my gunsmith remove the Swartz safety and do a trigger job, but otherwise it is stock. It is reliable with factory ammo and my dirty 200 grain externally lubed SWCs. However, it will start to hangup after about 200 rounds of my SWCs. At that point I take it home for a good cleaning and lube and it is ready to go again.
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Old 08-09-2020, 08:59 PM
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I have had a Sig Sauer 3 inch Ultra in .45 for about five years.

It has been very reliable but I think the people that have problems are limp wristing it most of the time. The 3 inch guns are not very forgiving to limp wristing of any sort.
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Old 08-09-2020, 09:29 PM
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I have the hots for a 3" .45 1911. Any thoughts on what I may want to look for, or steer clear of.
Yes...steer clear of 1911's under 4 inches.

I'm not saying you can't find reliable 1911's under 4 inches...only that it becomes a lot harder. So if you're going to go ahead with this, make sure you're committed to the time and effort you may need to put into finding a reliable one, and make sure you pick a company with a solid reputation and good customer service...in case you need it.

YMMV on this, but to me, that difference of an inch does not buy me enough to warrant the effort and potential reliability issues. Particularly as I don't find it any harder to conceal a 4 inch gun vs a 3 inch gun. And if I really wanted a small gun, there are a lot of other platforms that are inherently more reliable than the short 1911.
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Old 08-09-2020, 10:39 PM
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My experience with 3" pistols has been flawless.

I've had two Kimber RCPs, a Colt Defender, and a Sig Ultra.

They ate any ammo that I loaded. Ultimately I settled on 185 gr. Silvertips.

Sure, like others offer, all configurations have their advantages. The 3" 1911s make a nice pocket carry with large cargo pants pockets. That's why I have them.
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Old 08-10-2020, 08:55 PM
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I have a Colt New Agent, the early one with the slanted trough sight. It has been 100% reliable with ammo over 180 grains. Doesn't like the lighter copper ammo. Easy to control, accurate even with the trough sight once you learn to use it.

The only thing I don't like is colt used screws with a special size head and larger holes in the grips. The finish comes off easily and Colt no longer has replacements. I love the factory grips but if I want to use them I have to either use screws with bare spots or sig 226 allen screws that look out of place.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:42 AM
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This 3" is/isn't reliable is simply fodder for those that like to sound knowledgable.

Twenty-five years ago, I'll bet there were . . . some . . . problems, that were not user
induced. Since somewhere in the Y2K time frame, the 3" 1911s have functioned quite
well . . . . except for a few users.

Purchase a reputable manufacturer's product, use it properly, and it WILL do what you
expect/want it to.

I have "more than one" 3" and have yet to experience a failure. . . . YMMV. Mine haven't.
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Old 08-11-2020, 11:21 AM
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My Colt Defender has been reliable. Including shooting one handed.

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Old 08-12-2020, 05:23 PM
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3” 1911, in 45acp. Can be finickity feeding some bullet types. As with any CCW pistol, run it with your carry ammo. New gun? Get some full house, target level loads in as many bullet styles as you can find. Randomly mix them and load them randomly, run several mixed mags, see what works, what doesn’t. Match your carry ammo to what worked best in the random test.
4” too heavy?, Sig C3, alloy frame, 4”” bbl but shortened frame (Officer’s Model)
Renowned for it’s accuracy. It’s my EDC, feeds anything I throw in it.
3” are fine, I like mine, the Sig hides just as easily and the accuracy is outstanding.
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Old 08-12-2020, 05:28 PM
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I started out with a Colt officers, so 3.5” barrel I believe. Never had any trouble with it, but it tended to buck a bit for me, switched to a commander model, and loved that better. If you can shoot it well, go for it.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:08 PM
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I had a pre-Series Ultra Carry, and it was a good gun. My issue with the 3" guns is not one of performance but rather terminal ballistics. The reduced velocity created by the short barrel does not produce enough speed for a hollow point to mushroom correctly. They are great guns but you my as well shoot ball ammo.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:16 PM
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:37 PM
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I have one or two!

ParaOrds: Nite Hawg, C6.45LDA
Colt: New Agent .45
Rock Island .45, 9mm
Dan Wesson ECO 9mm

All work as advertised. I've put 5 of 10 rounds of 230 Gr FMJ (Ball) into a 9" paper plate target at 100 yards with the Wart Hawg.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:44 PM
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I have a 3” Kimber Ultra CDP II in 45 cap. I’ve had it for 15 years and it’s been great... no problems and very accurate. I also have a Springfield EMP, 3”, 9mm. It’s also been great, although occasionally would not return to battery. I fixed that with a different recoil spring. I’ve used both for 4 day defensive handgun courses where I shot 600-750 rounds each course and would do it again with no qualms.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:45 PM
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That is 45 acp, not 45 cap... dang spell checker!
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:47 PM
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I just shot a friends 3" Kimber 1911 .45acp. It was fun, accurate, & not as hard to shoot as I had thought it would be. The recoil was also less than I had imagined. However I would not trade a LW Commander for one. If I needed the extra concealability I'd go with a RB LW Commander for myself.
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Old 08-12-2020, 06:49 PM
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Springfield Micro compact 3”, enjoy the heck out of that thing. Alloy frame so you gotta hang on, the most important thing I discovered is springs must be kept up with. I also use a flat bottom FPS along with a EGW guide rod and 22 lb. flat recoil spring. When the brass starts flying in a different direction it’s time to renew springs.
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:03 PM
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Springfield Micro compact 3”, enjoy the heck out of that thing. Alloy frame so you gotta hang on, the most important thing I discovered is springs must be kept up with. I also use a flat bottom FPS along with a EGW guide rod and 22 lb. flat recoil spring. When the brass starts flying in a different direction it’s time to renew springs.
Just curios what magazines are you running in yours? I think this is a great piece and I’m looking forward to getting mine soon. Thanks
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:38 PM
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The only 1911 that I've got is the Springfield Range Officer Champion in 45 and its has a 4"barrel. But I did picked up a Springfield XDE which is DA/SA but it has a safety like the 1911 and it also decocks the gun also. It has a 3.3" barrel but the down side is it only holds 7 in the magazine.
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Old 08-12-2020, 08:46 PM
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ParaOrds: Nite Hawg, C6.45LDA
I'm a Para Ordnance fan, too. I've owned and sold two, a 6.45 LDA (3-inch) and a 12.45 LDA (3-1/2 inch) and the shorter barrelled pistol was the more accurate of the two in my hands. I now have two same size pistols, a 6.45 LDA and its revised version, an LDA Carry.

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Many of the parts to these pistols are directly replaceable with 1911 parts and the controls are basically the same except for the amazing LDA trigger. It's almost a 1911... and I have no qualms carrying either one of them.
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