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Old 07-28-2020, 08:42 AM
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The only negative I’ll throw out on the DanWesson is that their warranty is only 1 year and only for the original purchaser.
I have found the “warranty” work from DW to be marginal, atrocious from Kimber, good from SIG and S&W, and mixed from Springfield. Most times, problems were not fully addressed. Only SIG went above and beyond with my P220.

The real answer is that a new factory 1911 that won’t run should be looked at by an actual gunsmith. If you have basic 1911 skills and a few tools, you can check the extractor yourself. Anything beyond that should go to a professional with a decent reputation.
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:57 AM
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I'd be looking at Fusion. That will be my next 1911. Now is not a good time to be gun shopping though.
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Old 07-28-2020, 09:10 AM
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I’ll play devils advocate here and throw out what I consider to be the deal of the century in the Springfield Defender @ a $549 list from Springfield and can be bought for under $500 if you look a bit. I haven’t heard a single complaint about one since introduction.

At that price if you have the abilities you can tune one to easily be way more accurate than most shooters are capable. Just an option. Only negative in my opinion is that no front strap checkering, which for me anymore is a must. My .02

Also I’ll say that I didn’t know D-Wesson had changed their warranty to 5yrs, it used to be only 1 so that’s a good thing. They are really good piece’s but not immune to issues either. My friends son bought a heritage a2 stainless from his b-in-law that would lock up solid after a few rounds. I suggested they contactWesson for a fix but they were told there was no warranty due to it being 3+ yrs old and him not being the oe owner (his b-in-law was)

I spent about a week on It and found that it lacked a bit of clearance in the front of the slide rails that with a little heat would swell and lock-up. Added a very small amount of clearance on the front of the slide rails and it’s run perfect for over 2yrs now, shoots very nice.

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Old 07-28-2020, 10:22 AM
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Didn’t think anything would come close to my Les Baer, until i picked up a custom built with Foster Frame and Slide and all the right parts for $750. I doubt i’ll ever pick up anything from the typical brands ever again.


And HOW exactly does this answer the OP's question about "production" guns??
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Old 07-28-2020, 11:59 AM
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I'd be looking at Fusion. That will be my next 1911. Now is not a good time to be gun shopping though.
https://fusionfirearms.com/
So many better guns than Fusions at every price point in their lineup.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:06 PM
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Guys, I went to the range today to shoot my carry 1911 (Colt 1991 Compact) and they have some very nice 1911s behind the glass for sale, they're also a gun shop. They had Dan Wessons and I get why people like them so much, they're absolutely gorgeous. They also have Colts, Springfields, Kimbers, Rugers, Sigs and....Nighthawks. Kimber set out to be the finest production 1911 in the world, and they did a great job, but Dan Wesson tried to one up them and might have succeeded.
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:12 PM
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And HOW exactly does this answer the OP's question about "production" guns??

I apologize I was only trying to explain there are 1911s out there are far superior to “Production guns” at a better price, that’s all.


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Old 07-28-2020, 12:38 PM
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Kimber set out to be the finest production 1911 in the world, and they did a great job, but Dan Wesson tried to one up them and might have succeeded.
Kimber hasn’t been a part of that conversation for a long, long time.
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Old 07-28-2020, 04:51 PM
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I beg to differ, Kimber makes a very good 1911 at a very good price. D.W. is also a very fine weapon but they are more money than Kimber by 3 or 4 hundred. I own both and I think they both are a good value but they really aren't direct competitors . I think both are at the top of there class and I also think anything costing more than a D.W. is spending money for a name. I've shot the high dollar stuff at the range and I can't see where they are any better than D.W. or in some cases a Kimber. That'll get some folks fired up LOL. I don't mean this as criticism of Bear, Wilson, Brown, etc. Your money, buy what you want. For me there is absolutely no reason to spend more than a D.W cost.
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Old 07-28-2020, 07:42 PM
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Kimber hasn’t been a part of that conversation for a long, long time.
They never were.
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:50 PM
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They never were.
That may be.

My impression was that they were in the conversation Series I / pre-Ron Cohen days, but I didn't really become fond of 1911s until a little over a decade ago, owing to the sour taste left from a very underwhelming experience with my first 1911 (early 1990s Colt GCNM), so I'm just going on what I've heard after the fact.
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Old 07-28-2020, 09:01 PM
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I beg to differ, Kimber makes a very good 1911 at a very good price. D.W. is also a very fine weapon but they are more money than Kimber by 3 or 4 hundred. I own both and I think they both are a good value but they really aren't direct competitors .
It seems you may not be aware that Kimber has long had models in its lineup that sell in the $2,000 range (which is absolutely laughable for the quality they represent). Plenty of other models between those and whichever one you're talking about as well.

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I also think anything costing more than a D.W. is spending money for a name. I've shot the high dollar stuff at the range and I can't see where they are any better than D.W. or in some cases a Kimber. That'll get some folks fired up LOL. I don't mean this as criticism of Bear, Wilson, Brown, etc. Your money, buy what you want. For me there is absolutely no reason to spend more than a D.W cost.
Well, some people feel the same about their RIAs, Springfields (non-SACS), Rugers, Desert Eagle 1911s, and whatever else.

If someone either can't appreciate or can't perceive the differences in craftsmanship, materials quality, fit and finish, accuracy, availability of features, and so forth, between a mass-production 1911 and 1911s at any of the many higher levels, it's certainly of no cost to me. We’re all allowed to have different opinions, interests, and priorities.
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Old 07-29-2020, 04:17 AM
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And HOW exactly does this answer the OP's question about "production" guns??

I apologize I was only trying to explain there are 1911s out there are far superior to “Production guns” at a better price, that’s all.


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Yes, if you possess the skill, you can build a superior pistol to a mass production model. I do not, I could not...I'm going to guess the OP's in the same boat.
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:43 AM
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Well AustinTx, if you compare like weapons in the Kimber and D.W. lines there is usually about a 3 or 4 hundred dollar difference. For instance a Kimber Gold Match and a PM9. There isn't a big difference in how they perform. Either one will shoot 2 inch groups at 25 yards all day long which is about as well as anything will do and is probably better than most people can shoot. Fit and Finish on these 2 examples are about as good as any and better than a few I can think of in the high dollar class. The machine work on the internals is nice, as good as any, better than some. Out of the box reliability is probably equal with all the better 1911s. I will readily admit that if money was absolutely of no concern I would have 1 of all the top end pistols. As with anything I guess something is worth what someone will pay.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:35 AM
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I watched Hickok45 shoot a Springfield Professional last night, but that's a $2,500 gun. But I was watching Springfield videos last night because I was trying to learn more about them. They're very popular and I have never seen why, but now seeing reviews on them it seems they're a quality 1911 (who figured?). The Professional is from their Custom Shop, so the fit isn't comparable to their production line, but it still uses the same parts. The font used on the slide isn't my cup of tea, but some of their newer models, like the Ronin, are using a new font. It looks like the same font Ed Brown uses. But who cares about my opinion, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I was just on Dan Wesson's website and they're guns are really nice and clean looking. I like how it says the model in a nice-looking font and that's it. That's one thing that's attracted me to Kimbers, it has their nice-looking logo and that's it. Even though RIA cleaned up their logo, it's still there and ugly, and you see why they're so much more affordable when you look at the details, like the quality of metals used and the shape of the frame. Colt has had periods where their quality is hit and miss by large, on some of their 80s and 90s models you can find tool marks and crooked roll marks, but as of late everything looks like a Colt should.

After looking at so many 1911s, you'll find what you like best, whether blued, two-tone, full stainless, one with a finish/cerekote, alloy frame, etc. My favorite is a dark slide on a lighter-colored frame, but some all black 1911s are an exception depending on the finish.

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Old 07-29-2020, 10:38 AM
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I watched Hickok45 shoot a Springfield Professional last night, but that's a $2,500 gun. ....
$3395 on the Springfield website this morning.
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Old 07-29-2020, 02:25 PM
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I believe that Smith & Wesson and SIG offer the most for the money IMO, and mine are both accurate and run flawlessly.

The SIG Super Target rivals the accuracy, fit, and finish of my German SIG Mastershop Pistols each costing fully several times its price, and it probably represents the best value I’ve ever received from a handgun purchase.

Yeah; MIM...blah blah blah notwithstanding, buy with confidence.

Would buy either of these 1911s again, and price is no object for me.

“Best” production 1911 ?

Dan Wesson.
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Old 07-29-2020, 04:03 PM
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I have worked on a lot of new 1911s in the past couple of years. People who know me bring their new purchases to me for a complete checkout. I check all fit and function carefully as well as test firing for feeding and ejection. All my work is aimed at reliability. I do not do accuracy tests. I give the owners a written report of my findings. I do all this work pro bono.

What has amazed me over this recent period is that every single Springfield 1911 style firearm I have checked has been flawless, including Schuemann timing checks, barrel fit, safety function, half cock safety checks, and on and on. The most loose breech I have found in a Springfield 1911 has been .004". Most have free breech of .001" to .0015".

All of the other brands have had one or more problems that needed to be corrected. Of these, the Les Baers have had the fewest problems, followed by Ed Browns, Kimbers and Colts. Kimbers have had their usual poorly fit barrels including cases of "Kimber Knee-knock". Colts have been the worst including loose breech of at least .012" and .022" at most. I encouraged the owner of the .022" loose breech Colt to send it back to Colt along with my findings. He did, and, to Colt's credit, they sent it back with a properly fit barrel.

In my past experience, fault to some degree can be found with almost any production 1911. Most things found wrong have to do with barrel fit, including lack of sufficient barrel drop on link down, gross free breech, and lower barrel lug collision with the slide stop pin. Practically none will pass the half cock safety check.

The main reason for this post is to reiterate that, over the past couple of years, Springfield 1911s have been a glowing exception to this rule.
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:14 PM
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What happened to the love for the Springfield Armory Range Officer? In the past they were viewed as one of the most bang for the buck 1911's you could buy. I've got on in 9mm and one in .45 acp and both have been flawless. I also have Colts and a DW Specialist in 9mm but they're more $$$ than the SA RO. I shoot the 9mm's better than the .45's but that's just my age and arthritis! Can't say anything bad about the Springers.
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:22 PM
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1500.00 With options like fixed sights , checkering , etc Production

Manufactures to look at :
Springfield Armory TRP / Dan Wesson . I look at all manufactures using those 2
as a base and go from their . See how they all stack up .

If I had to go with one pistol that you really can't loose with it would be
The Springfield TRP . they can be found around 1400.00 . Good luck
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:27 PM
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Springer is what I’ve always been told if you want originality and a good place to start. You can always swap some of the major parts that take a beating out like ejector/extractor if you feel inclined. Honestly I wouldn’t go the Kimber route unless you’re prepared to swap parts out. They don’t know how to make a reliable commander and their ultras are ultra unreliable in .45 IME. Or, build your own and it will bring more joy than you can imagine. Or stress😷
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:28 PM
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Fusion 1911 Freedom Series, the owner of Fusion use to own Dan Wesson. Best production model for the dollar.... I have a RIP TIDE C on it's way right now, and that will be my second Fusion. https://fusionfirearms.com/freedomlanding
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Old 07-29-2020, 05:38 PM
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If I had to go with one pistol that you really can't loose with it would be
The Springfield TRP . they can be found around 1400.00 . Good luck
I agree, the TRP is a winner. I used to shoot bowling pin matches with my TRP (and occasionally win!).
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:08 PM
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Look at Fusion Firearms. Robert Serva runs its company. He used to be president of Dan Wesson. Under $1500 will get you a custom quality 1911.
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:17 PM
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Springfield Armory TRP.

Brand spanking new.

Very nicely built 1911, no MIM parts.

People love Dan Wesson’s. I had a Dan Wesson Valor, but traded it off.

Check out a TRP if you can, and a Dan Wesson.

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