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Old 05-21-2014, 11:09 PM
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New production HP

So I need some opinions. I've wanted a HP for a long time, found a NIB at an LGS for a reasonable price. My problem is I'm going to have to sell a DW Guardian to fund it. I really like the DW but after spending time with it, It just doesn't seem to fit me as well as I hoped. The HP feels better still a 9mm and I have no desire for anything else. I know the trigger and the sights won't be as good but am I missing anything? I've done as much reading as possible as to hopefully not make a huge mistake. There doesn't seem to be a lot of problems with the MK 111 that I can find, and I know nothing about the epoxy finish. I've been thinking about this for awhile now and just don't know enough about the HP.
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:29 PM
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SVaugh,

I have 2 epoxied Hi Powers (plus a Practical, so 2 1/2 ?) and I really like the finish. There are a lot of aftermarket black finishes available out there. Everybody likes a custom finish.
In my estimation, if the FN Epoxy finish was one of the custom aftermarket offerings instead, it'd be really popular.

The MK III Hi Powers are good to go, either as a stock pistol or the basis for a custom build. the only problem with them is that you'll soon want another, and another, and another...
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:31 AM
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Well if the DW does not fit I think you answered your own question. The mk lll sights are really the same sight picture as any aftermarket sights you could add in terms of rear notch size. You can have the notch opened if needed by vision requirements. I have a couple aftermarket sight installs that were fubbarbed. I would post pics but WCR would be here to defend the installer with some nonsense about humans making mistakes. I wonder how that would play on a Wilson Combat Supergrade. You could sub in a tritium front, pull the rear sight and have it undercut and black serrated and have a much more usable arrangement than the Browning three white vertical lines with no risk to your 400 dollar slide from any human errors.

The trigger will wear in and with the mds removed you will have a usable trigger with no expense and no risk of hammer follow. It just will not be a 1911 trigger in terms of weight and travel. I have some mk lll triggers set up that way and just used instead of tweaked. They are usable. None of my early MK lll pistols have destroyed themselves. Come to think of it, neither have any other of my inferior material and workmanship hi powers destroyed themselves.

In all fairness, I do have a mk lll I just purchased as a parts gun. A previous owner harmed the pistol by parts substitution not intended by the European cavemen that manufactured the pistol. In addition, there is other evidence of abuse.

I am preparing to purchase another myself if I can just locate the fugitive gun shop owner that seldom opens his door but has it for sale. We can break them in together and report back here.

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Old 05-22-2014, 11:22 AM
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I just painted the white lines black and liked 'em just fine. The sight picture is nice.

The epoxy finish is slippery, but pretty durable.

If you use parkerized magazines, the trigger feels MUCH better. For some reason polished mags make the trigger suck on a Hi Power.

I think the stock plastic grips are the best out there.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:34 PM
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If you use parkerized magazines, the trigger feels MUCH better. For some reason polished mags make the trigger suck on a Hi Power.
I've found this to be very true. A few years back I had a new HP that I had not altered yet.
I tried a whole assortment of mags in it for trigger pull comparison - blued, nickel, mousetrap, and the parked; both polished and unpolished - and I found that the parked mags were smoother to any of the others by a very noticeable margin.

If I were to pack a Hi Power with the mag disconnect still in it, those would be the mags I'd select for sure.

It has been reported here that the new Hi Powers are coming equipped with plastic mag disconnect shoes. I wonder what effect, if any, that has on the trigger pull.
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Old 05-22-2014, 02:54 PM
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Thanks for the input! I did read about the plastic mag disconnect in a previous post. Seems like it didn't last very long. As far as the trigger I think I'll be fine with it. I know it wont be 4# and as crisp as the DW. Practice.

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Old 05-22-2014, 04:07 PM
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I've found this to be very true. A few years back I had a new HP that I had not altered yet.
I tried a whole assortment of mags in it for trigger pull comparison - blued, nickel, mousetrap, and the parked; both polished and unpolished - and I found that the parked mags were smoother to any of the others by a very noticeable margin.

If I were to pack a Hi Power with the mag disconnect still in it, those would be the mags I'd select for sure.

It has been reported here that the new Hi Powers are coming equipped with plastic mag disconnect shoes. I wonder what effect, if any, that has on the trigger pull.
I was amazed at the difference between parkerized mags and polished blue mags. The difference was pretty stark.

This is the first I've heard of the plastic mag disconnect shoe, however.
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Old 05-22-2014, 04:07 PM
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I examined 2 new production guns today and the bluing was stunning!
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Old 05-22-2014, 05:52 PM
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Well I found the fugitive gun store operator in town. We have an appointment for Monday in the dusty store. I have already named it the nomodipower.
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:20 PM
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No Mod hi Power?
I predict: Heinies and no mag disconnect.
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:37 PM
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So nobody is trying to talk me out of offing the DW. That's kinda a relief. Must be in the correct forum. Ha
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:52 PM
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Well, it would be hard for me to let a Dan Wesson go... But for a Hi Power, I'd consider it very seriously.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:34 PM
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Yes I'm not real excited to sell the DW. Wouldn't even think about it for anything else.
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:21 PM
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No Mod hi Power?
I predict: Heinies and no mag disconnect.
Plenty of Heinies in the corralito ya. I predict black serrated stock rear sight modified by Garthwaite. I will keep the original so it can be converted back. I guess I should call it the no sightcutriggerworkrefinshapower. It will need replacements for the factory lumber though. Reversible mods do not really count as mods.
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:42 PM
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I bought a new production blue model back a few months ago. IMO, the blueing on the HP is deeper than any bluing done by anyone on any gun. It's that deep.

The gun is also decently accurate... I was able to shoot 10 round 3 " groups at 25 yds, even with the factory 59 lb trigger.
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Old 05-22-2014, 09:45 PM
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You could probably find someone to hold your dw in escrow if you looked around. Then you would not have to sell or trade.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:05 PM
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Oh it's really not a money thing, it's more of a wife thing. I have no attachment to the DW other than its a very nice gun. I think the HP could replace it with out missing a beat. The LGS has been very fair with me before and if the numbers work than I probably will be game.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:10 PM
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Reversible mods do not really count as mods.

I think I read that somewhere...
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:00 PM
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I've done as much reading as possible as to hopefully not make a huge mistake.
Not to suggest that the H-P is in any way a "..mistake.." but...have you ever handled and fired an H-P ?? I'll bet you really loved your DW when you first picked it up and handled it but evidently the '..romance..' has dimmed with use. If you belong to a local gun club, check 'round to see if any members own a H-P. Odds are at least a few do. I'll bet they'd be glad to allow you to handle and shoot it to make certain (or at least more so) that it will be a proper '..fit..' for you.
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Old 05-23-2014, 02:23 PM
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I have shot a HP buts its been a long time ago. That's what got me started on my want for one. I had just bought a Colt Special Combat, and didn't want to spend anymore money. I was young, got out of guns for awhile, all ways looked to see if anybody had them, never do. Yes I did and still like the DW. Honestly I believe the bob in the frame makes me shoot different points of impact. Some are high some are spot on. Is it me or sights or hold? I can't figure it out. The HP when I hold it just feels right, points right, and if my rounds end up where I put them I'd feel good about it.
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Old 05-23-2014, 02:31 PM
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Just got off the phone with the LGS they have three NIB epoxy HPs and 1 used one. The two I saw at the gun show didn't sell.
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Old 05-23-2014, 03:13 PM
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If the used one is unmolested and in great condition you might get a deal.
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Old 05-23-2014, 05:23 PM
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Gents,

I can't vouch for the new Hi-Powers as mine are are the older MKIII's, but if it's got the Browning name on it it's going to be good, IMHO.

Cerakote is a darn good finish, as is the factory finish that they use on the MK III.

Can't go wrong with any of them.

Howdy to the lot of you from the Hi-Powers and Handguns Forum.

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Old 05-23-2014, 10:29 PM
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Old 05-24-2014, 10:25 PM
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This whole thread has me baffled. Choosing between two of JMB's great designs make no sense. The answer is to have them both.

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