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Old 12-31-2019, 01:36 PM
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A versatile caliber for dedicated night vision

I have a farm here raising mostly pastured chickens, pigs and some steers. I am looking towards spring when it gets active around here and want to buy a dedicated rifle with a night vision scope. Predators run the gamut of what you'd think, racoons to coyotes in terms of size. I was thinking about a 22-250 as I don't have one, or maybe a .204.
I currently have .17hmr, .22lr, 30-30, 308, 20 & 12 gge. but since they all have their specific function for me, I didn't want to clutter them up with a night vision... currently courting the Sightmark Photon RT. I like the idea of the 22-250 in case I ever bumped a deer. Any suggestions?
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Old 12-31-2019, 01:56 PM
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How far are you shooting? As much as I like the 22-250, I wouldn't buy it for your purpose if I didn't need that much power. There's certainly nothing wrong with it, but I'd prefer something like a .222 if I was only shooting 50 yards. An AR15 in 5.56 is another obvious consideration.
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Old 12-31-2019, 02:36 PM
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There are a lot of good choices.

What is your budget?
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:05 PM
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150-175 yards would be max, as to budget, I was looking at Ruger Americans on the low end at around $400, Savage Overwatch in the mid at &450 and CZ557 which pushes it at $600, I could also go for something used off GB or LGS. Trying to do it all for under 1k.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:05 PM
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Your night vision is going to cost you well over I K.

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150-175 yards would be max, as to budget, I was looking at Ruger Americans on the low end at around $400, Savage Overwatch in the mid at &450 and CZ557 which pushes it at $600, I could also go for something used off GB or LGS. Trying to do it all for under 1k.
Why skimp on the rifle?
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:42 PM
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I wanted a caliber that can go the distance and be very accurate. I wanted a varmit gun on steroids. My two choices were a 6,5 Swede and a 7 mm Mauser. I took an old 7 mm Mauser war horse and started my varmit rifle project. I started a Swede Mauser build too. Bubba got to the Swede Mauser, he cut the 29”; barrel to 22”. The 7 mm barrel is 29”. The old war horses can be very accurate. And very affordable too.
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:45 AM
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150-175 yards would be max, as to budget, I was looking at Ruger Americans on the low end at around $400, Savage Overwatch in the mid at &450 and CZ557 which pushes it at $600, I could also go for something used off GB or LGS. Trying to do it all for under 1k.
Why skimp on the rifle?
Are you not familiar with the adage "If you only have $1000 to spend, spend $800 on glass and $200 on the rifle"?
I am not going that extreme as the NV optic I am looking at can be had for $500, it's good out to 200 yards and is pretty well reviewed for what it is. This is a piece that will likely be used a handful of times a season, so I am not going to spend much more than the budget I mentioned.
I like the Mauser idea.
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Old 01-01-2020, 02:07 AM
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OK I can wrap my head around that.

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Are you not familiar with the adage "If you only have $1000 to spend, spend $800 on glass and $200 on the rifle"?
I am not going that extreme as the NV optic I am looking at can be had for $500, it's good out to 200 yards and is pretty well reviewed for what it is. This is a piece that will likely be used a handful of times a season, so I am not going to spend much more than the budget I mentioned.
I like the Mauser idea.
But two bills for the rifle does not give you a whole lot of options.
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Old 01-01-2020, 09:03 AM
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For sure, but that scenario is hyperbole, $5-600 ought to set me up with something serviceable.
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:00 PM
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150-175 yds max. I would look for a used AR15. Easy to find in that budget, lots of scope mounting options and lots of aftermarket support to make it exactly how you want it. A nice trigger would be a good start. Good ammo available everywhere and reasonably priced. And the barrel will last far longer than a 22-250.
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:17 PM
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Get an AR that's free floated in 5.56 and use 40g ammo, it will be cheap, easy to use, extremely reliable, and ideal for your optic
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:15 PM
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I know I am in the extreme minority, but I don't have an interest in the AR platform. I have shot a number of them, they are fun, accurate and versatile, but I am a lever/bolt gun guy.

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Old 01-01-2020, 09:27 PM
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I know I am in the extreme minority, but I don't have an interest in the AR platform. I have shot a number of them, they are fun, accurate and versatile, but I am a lever/bolt gun guy.
I'm not sure of the availability, or price, but in the 80's, a Remington 788 was both very affordable, and very accurate. They may have all disappeared by now. Chamberings included the 22-250 and 243 Winchester. Any older beat up M700 short action would also do the job, provided the bore looked good. Since I'm traveling back in time 35 years, this advice might be worthless, today.
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Old 01-02-2020, 08:22 AM
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I know I am in the extreme minority, but I don't have an interest in the AR platform. I have shot a number of them, they are fun, accurate and versatile, but I am a lever/bolt gun guy.
In that case I still would recommend a .223 bolt gun for your needs. If your state forbids that cartridge for deer, a 243 would be my second choice.

The Ruger American is not bad. My only issue with them is that some are accurate, some not so much. I would lean towards the least expensive Savage that comes with the acutrigger.
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Old 01-02-2020, 08:39 AM
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I vote .243 too. Consider Ruger M77 (clearance) or American.
Savage Apex or Axis II.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:10 PM
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I vote .243 too. Consider Ruger M77 (clearance) or American.
Savage Apex or Axis II.
Nice, I'm looking at all of those. I have a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless in .308 for my Deer gun and really like it.
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:05 PM
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P.M. if you need 22-250 dies I have a set gathering dust!

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Old 01-26-2020, 10:41 PM
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Since you're a lever gun guy if you can mount the NV device on your .30-30 go with that and it is your deer gun too!

I'll bet lots of yotes, wolves and other varmints have been sent to their happy hunting ground propelled buy an old cast lead .30 bullet launched by a .30-30...
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Old 01-29-2020, 05:02 PM
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Since you're a lever gun guy if you can mount the NV device on your .30-30 go with that and it is your deer gun too!

I'll bet lots of yotes, wolves and other varmints have been sent to their happy hunting ground propelled buy an old cast lead .30 bullet launched by a .30-30...
I hear you, but I never liked the aesthetics of scoped lever guns.... especially with something as Futurama looking as the Sightmark. As I don't own any semi auto rifles, I am actually thinking of a mini 14 ranch model with a flash hider for the NV.
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Old 01-29-2020, 05:19 PM
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CVA Hunter in 7mm-08 Break-Action Rifle. Put a rail on it and your night scope and you are ready to kill any predator or a deer.
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Old 01-29-2020, 05:44 PM
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Nice, I'm looking at all of those. I have a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless in .308 for my Deer gun and really like it.
If you like your M77, i would look at a rail for that M77. get some QD and put the night vision on it. Then when deer season comes around put on your deer scope pre-zeroed / shot or two to verify. Seems like the best way to save some$$$ and spend more on your night scope, but idea does kinda screw with your total dedication criteria.

This is an example, it wont fit a standard M77 just the Scout.

https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx...93608&CAT=8286
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Old 01-29-2020, 10:04 PM
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If you like your M77, i would look at a rail for that M77. get some QD and put the night vision on it. Then when deer season comes around put on your deer scope pre-zeroed / shot or two to verify. Seems like the best way to save some$$$ and spend more on your night scope, but idea does kinda screw with your total dedication criteria.

This is an example, it wont fit a standard M77 just the Scout.

https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx...93608&CAT=8286
You're too practical man, I really want to buy another rifle.
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Old 01-30-2020, 01:04 AM
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The .223 would be plenty for what you intend to use it for and ammo is cheaper. A 22-250 would work great also. I have an older M77 in 22-250 and it is my favorite rifle. It makes me feel like I can't miss a shot and that is a very nice feeling.

I would think that any of the rifles that you are looking at will do the job for you.
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Old 01-30-2020, 09:11 AM
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win3030, first off, good on you for keeping up with your post and answering questions 3 weeks later. It seems like some guys make a post and then never look at it again after the first day. I'm just a member who appreciates involvement from other posters.

My question is, have you looked at Night Vision? You may already know but there are 2 basic types, amplified light, and thermal. Amplified light is typically referred to as "night vision." In the military it's used for situational awareness, basically seeing at night, but not necessarily targeting. Thermal/forward looking infrared radar measures and defines heat. Thermal is used for targeting, because the target, typically a living thing, stands out like a sore thumb. If you want to lay waste to critters, then Thermal is the ticket. However, Thermal is expensive!

If you're going to dedicate a rifle to shooting at night, and decide that you need thermal, then you save a bit of money with a fixed Thermal scope. The Clip-ons, which clip on and are used only when needed, use your existing optic for aiming. They just highlight the target. They are the most versatile, but the most expensive. I'm completely serious when I say that the decent ones start at 10 grand. Military grade is $14000 plus. The fixed Thermals more permanently mount on the rifle and range from $2500 on up, new. The decent new ones are around $4500-$7500.

Night Vision/amplified light takes ambient light, like star light, and amplifies it. It's much cheaper but not ideal for targeting. You can buy a used PVS-14 for $1000, or a new one for about $3000. All of the prices I'm quoting are what I experienced a few years ago when I bought my thermal scope and night vision goggle . Prices may have come down, or gone up since then. I don't know. Look at Kerif Night Vision on line. He's probably the cheapest around and is very knowledgeable and helpful. TVNC is a big distributor/retail store too.

The used market would be a great way to save money, but I wouldn't buy any thermal or NV without examining it first. There's too much that can be wrong. They're complicated and you'd want to be sure that all of the modes work and that it holds zero. Speaking of zeroing, I use a hand warmer and staple it to the target when zeroing my thermal. Let us know what you decide on. Good hunting.
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Old 01-30-2020, 10:36 AM
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Oh well. RTFQ. Now I see that you have a Sightmark Photon RT, which I'm guessing is a night vision scope and not a thermal based on the meaning of the word "photon." To your original post, now fully read. I'd get a 223. Super cheap ammo, can also shoot 556, especially in a bolt gun.

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