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Old 11-28-2019, 08:58 AM
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So, surprising news today that my wonderful beautiful amazing wife greenlighted ordering a Wilson early next year.

So now it's time to obsess over what I actually want.

My immediate thoughts is I want something I don't already have, and that's got all the basic 1911s covered, full size, commander, CCO, etc. My favored carry 1911s shoot well (both Dan Wesson's) and, frankly, I shoot them better than my father's CQB commander.

So, I'm left with two options that intregue me, the EDC X9 and the Carry Comp. Both would be slated for carry.

Coupe thoughts

EDC X9
Pros:
- "right size" for optimal concealment (on me)
- good capacity
- lightweight
Cons:
The one I handled honestly didn't feel all that much like Wilson quality and especially the trigger didn't feel like I had expected. I'm thinking I might like the new DW DWX Compact better.

Carry Comp
Pros:
- something new
- can be had in .45
- it's an actual 1911
- short grip will still conceal very, very well

Cons:
- heavy, listed specs are heavier than my VBob or 226
- big, a little concerned that the full size length will annoy me IWB as I've not carried a 5" in years


I'm leaning towards the Carry Comp in .45 at the moment as my leading issue with my VBob vs my 9mm Valkyrie is speed of follow up shots and this seems to be a good solution, but the weight makes me think I'll probably have to go back to the light CCO in summer.

Thoughts? (Other options I missed are also welcome)
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:31 AM
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Why not look at the Carry Comp Compact - it is a little shorter than the full size, probably weighs a little less, and the comp will provide more control on muzzle flip and shorter time between shots than its non-comped counterparts.

To be fair to the X9, several of us that like them had to spend some time getting used to the rounded trigger and the double-stack grip. The X9 is 1911-ish, but not a 1911 and cannot be looked at as a 1911-true gun. It does have its own qualities that make it an ideal carry gun if you take the time with it, such as increased capacity and lighter weight amongst others; but the trigger itself on mine and several others I've shot is nice and crisp and breaks cleanly.

Just some thoughts, for the price you paid for them...
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:37 AM
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Yep I meant the carry comp compact.
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:49 AM
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Yep I meant the carry comp compact.
For the Carry Comp Compact, as with most all steel 1911's, the right belt and holster makes all the difference in the world as far as comfort carrying all day long. I'm almost 69 years old, and my edc is a TSG Pro .45 all steel that I sometimes forget is there. The carry belt alternates between a Milt Sparks double thick belt and a Wilson double thick black elephant belt, with a Sparks Criterion (IWB) or Jason Winnie pancake (OWB) and both are comfortable. For training classes with the TSG Pro I use a Sparks 1AT-RT on either belt and no problems there since training classes don't need a lot of concealment. At some point I will need to go to a lighter weight gun like my younger brother did when he started to develop a problem in his lower back and he carries an X9 now for edc all day every day.

My point is, it all depends on your build and condition, but some things make it a lot easier and more comfortable than others, and most on the forum that carry have pretty much expressed the same thing about a good gun belt and holster being key to comfort and concealability for whatever you carry.
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:15 AM
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Congrats,

The X9 is a great gun, but if you already held one and it left you with any bit of a negative impression, don't get one. The grip surely feels different (still good) than a true 1911. The feel of the double stack grip will take some getting used to.

I'd suggest going with the Compact Carry Comp. That is one I have on my "Next List". The barrel is only 4.5 inches including the Comp (Not 5 inches as you mentioned)

If you are concerned about the weight of the Compact Carry Comp, you can get it with an aluminum lightweight frame. That will drop about 8 ounces off the gun. I'm a fan of lightweight frames if you are going to be carrying all the time. The reduced weight is considerably noticeable. You will not wear out an aluminum frame, so don't even let that be a negative thought.

Another Comp to consider is the X-Tac Elite Carry Comp. It is also compact and can be ordered with an aluminum frame. The X-Tac Elite Carry Comp comes with some upgraded features as well.

I have never heard an owner give a single negative comment about Wilson's Comped pistols.

Check out this thread. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=1004214
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Old 11-28-2019, 12:28 PM
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X9L took some time to get use to but its a keeper. I am sure the X9 will do the same. Good hunting or decision making......
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Old 11-28-2019, 01:00 PM
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The weight isn't a big problem, I've got a VBob on my hip now and carried a Kimber Warrior for a few years, the longer holster might annoy me IWB only because it's been a few years since I've carried anything longer than a commander.

The aluminum frame is a very interesting point and almost a guarantee if I decide to go 9mm (good call) I just feel that going lightweight for the .45 kinda offsets the advantage gained with the comp, as I generally don't like aluminum framed .45s.

Thanks for th input so far all, keep it coming
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Old 11-28-2019, 01:26 PM
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A round butt non-magwell carry comp melts away almost to an unbelievable extent, it's true all year round gun and no one has ever suspected I have it in very light clothing.

Recoil of the carry comp with 230g HST +P is an enormous press into the hand but very minimal muzzle rise if the user is experienced and a much much faster recovery than any non comped gun. It's FASTER on the clock than my full-size CQB-E all steel 9mm across all self defense drills (FAST, bill, devil, el prez, Mozambique, first shot, panic, single handed, retention) and unflinchingly reliable with any ammo I've tried in it off any mag.

For carry use there is no gun I've ever tested that hides this well that even comes within 30% of a carry comp performance wise. Larger guns can close the gap but are not even remotely in the same concealment class.

I'm going to resume my review series shortly and the second gun I have written up is my personal carry comp using my new standard of "speed/performance" that's a video and shot timer so all guns get a more detailed explanation of their performance vs me just telling you where they fall/how they do.

The alum frame is totally fine in a 9mm carry comp (the 9mm version is literally lower recoil than .22 ruger pistols) but in a .45 I personally feel it loses that bleeding edge crazy level speed that the steel gives you when using serious .45 loads
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Old 11-28-2019, 02:52 PM
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Well, hurry up and make a decision before the wifey unit changes her mind!

Good luck on your decision...and donít forget...nobody can own one Wilson, they multiply on their own...
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Old 11-28-2019, 09:07 PM
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I'm going to resume my review series shortly and the second gun I have written up is my personal carry comp using my new standard of "speed/performance" that's a video and shot timer so all guns get a more detailed explanation of their performance vs me just telling you where they fall/how they do.
Love to read that
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Old 11-28-2019, 10:10 PM
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Well, hurry up and make a decision before the wifey unit changes her mind!

Good luck on your decision...and don’t forget...nobody can own one Wilson, they multiply on their own...
I'm feeling like I'm leaning pretty heavily to the carry comp compact in .45 with a round butt and the orange tritium front sight as options (need em for my still young but colorblind eyes)

I'm sure it won't be my first Wilson, as if I really like it I'll need a spare. Also I've been slowly working on reducing the size of my collection and increasing quality, and I'm sure that will continue as the years progress.

Especially when my kids get to school age and I can start making a second salary again (with child care costs it made the most financial sense for me to be Mr Mom for the next 6 years or so, harder work than any laborer job I've ever done).
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:39 PM
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What is this thing under the comp on the promo pictures? Is it a plug on the guide rod or something? I notice it is not on the "in stock" guns in the store.

Whatever it is, it's ugly.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:42 PM
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What is this thing under the comp on the promo pictures? Is it a plug on the guide rod or something? I notice it is not on the "in stock" guns in the store.

Whatever it is, it's ugly.
That's the old non-flatwire FLGR system, it's no longer used to my knowledge.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:48 PM
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What is this thing under the comp on the promo pictures? Is it a plug on the guide rod or something? I notice it is not on the "in stock" guns in the store.

Whatever it is, it's ugly.
That's the old non-flatwire FLGR system, it's no longer used to my knowledge.
Good! Thanks

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Old 12-09-2019, 09:43 PM
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https://youtu.be/wD_lJQVXolc


I've been wanting to look further into the EDC X9 guns.

I have no qualms carrying a 9mm.

The video above is a guy clowning some.....but, dangitman, that sucker is running fast hits on target.

Fun stuff.


Congrats on your wife approving said venture.

A quality carry weapon that is also fun to shoot at the range and in training really has my interest.
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Old 12-10-2019, 09:23 AM
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Yeah, I still keep waffling between the two still, but I have time.

If I wasn't stuck on these two models I'd be looking at Buds, right now they seem to have a couple CQBs for $2500.

But I have Dan Wesson options like those that, frankly, shoot just as good in my hands and it won't be too many years until my father decides to hang up his CQB Commander and it'll make its way to me.

Either way I'm pretty certain I'm going to swap the stock fiber optic for the orange/green tritium front sight.

Been experimenting with some of my guns with FO and I don't like how narrow the "good" light range is for a bright sight picture on a carry gun.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:11 PM
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Yeah, I still keep waffling between the two still, but I have time.

If I wasn't stuck on these two models I'd be looking at Buds, right now they seem to have a couple CQBs for $2500.

But I have Dan Wesson options like those that, frankly, shoot just as good in my hands and it won't be too many years until my father decides to hang up his CQB Commander and it'll make its way to me.

Either way I'm pretty certain I'm going to swap the stock fiber optic for the orange/green tritium front sight.

Been experimenting with some of my guns with FO and I don't like how narrow the "good" light range is for a bright sight picture on a carry gun.


No doubt about it....the fiber optic fronts are dim in moderate lighting.

A flashlight helps....if you have one handy....and time to use it.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:54 PM
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:09 PM
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
If you can handle it properly, you need to be able to get a sub 7 fast, 1.5 failure, ace dot torture, and get highest par on all other drills. If you can't reach that get then Lowe caliber/recoil until it's consistently possible cold with carry ammo.

I always say use the biggest caliber/gun combo that meets at least those standards, I'm still stuck with a 938 since it's the only pocket class gun that can (barely) manage even though I would like a 365. Main carry is a .45+P
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:12 PM
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My 1911's sit languishing in my safe since I got my EDC X9. Being able to select the backstrap and trigger length to fit my large hand made all the difference! I went back and forth with a couple front sights, and settled on the "Ameriglo". I had asked for a trigger pull of 3.5 to 3.75lbs. It came in right at 3.5 and after break in, it is every bit as crisp as any of my other Wilson's.
Unfortunately, I am stuck in a restricted "State", and am limited to 10rd mags. If you are in one of the remaining Free States, you will have the added benefit of increased capacity.
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Old 12-20-2019, 11:18 AM
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
Eh, if I needed to "man up" I'd start at 10mm and move from there. Actually with the comp that might be interesting.

Been carrying my heavier .45 a bunch lately to see if spoiling myself to with light guns for a year has ruined my ability to handle 43+ oz carry gun. And it has not, my VBob has carried just fine so I'm still leaning very hard to the Carry Comp in .45.

Now I just keep going back and forth between the basic and X-Tac, the extra features are nice and the XTac looks better but I'm not sure I feel it's worth the extra $$

Either way it'll need a tritium front sight (orange ring works best for my eyes) and the basic will get the round butt and maybe the Magwell.

Nice thing is I was just digging through my holster box and found a handful of compact .45 Wilson mags that I had for my Kimber Ultra Carry. Thought I had sold them with the gun, glad I didn't!
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Old 12-20-2019, 03:36 PM
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
Eh, if I needed to "man up" I'd start at 10mm and move from there. Actually with the comp that might be interesting.

Been carrying my heavier .45 a bunch lately to see if spoiling myself to with light guns for a year has ruined my ability to handle 43+ oz carry gun. And it has not, my VBob has carried just fine so I'm still leaning very hard to the Carry Comp in .45.

Now I just keep going back and forth between the basic and X-Tac, the extra features are nice and the XTac looks better but I'm not sure I feel it's worth the extra $$

Either way it'll need a tritium front sight (orange ring works best for my eyes) and the basic will get the round butt and maybe the Magwell.

Nice thing is I was just digging through my holster box and found a handful of compact .45 Wilson mags that I had for my Kimber Ultra Carry. Thought I had sold them with the gun, glad I didn't!
You don't want 10mm for anything, top end .45 super exceeds it and you can run it easily in a comped gun with great effect and still have the ability to shoot cheaper .45 ammo. 10mm is a lot of expense for no gain over a .45 chambered gun
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
Eh, if I needed to "man up" I'd start at 10mm and move from there. Actually with the comp that might be interesting.

Been carrying my heavier .45 a bunch lately to see if spoiling myself to with light guns for a year has ruined my ability to handle 43+ oz carry gun. And it has not, my VBob has carried just fine so I'm still leaning very hard to the Carry Comp in .45.

Now I just keep going back and forth between the basic and X-Tac, the extra features are nice and the XTac looks better but I'm not sure I feel it's worth the extra $$

Either way it'll need a tritium front sight (orange ring works best for my eyes) and the basic will get the round butt and maybe the Magwell.

Nice thing is I was just digging through my holster box and found a handful of compact .45 Wilson mags that I had for my Kimber Ultra Carry. Thought I had sold them with the gun, glad I didn't!
You don't want 10mm for anything, top end .45 super exceeds it and you can run it easily in a comped gun with great effect and still have the ability to shoot cheaper .45 ammo. 10mm is a lot of expense for no gain over a .45 chambered gun
Yeah, I don't have experience with .45 super or Rowland, I do have experience with 10mm and loading for it, but that's a fair point.

And since you are familiar with it (and a proponent, IIRC) with one of these comped guns, how much more modification would hot Super take? Just springs, are those even needed with the comp?

I wouldn't mess with it with the compact but if I do like it a lot, a full size comp is probably in the future and that might be a nice consideration over my woods 10mm 1911.
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Thoughts? Man-up and get something in God's Caliber (.45ACP).
Eh, if I needed to "man up" I'd start at 10mm and move from there. Actually with the comp that might be interesting.

Been carrying my heavier .45 a bunch lately to see if spoiling myself to with light guns for a year has ruined my ability to handle 43+ oz carry gun. And it has not, my VBob has carried just fine so I'm still leaning very hard to the Carry Comp in .45.

Now I just keep going back and forth between the basic and X-Tac, the extra features are nice and the XTac looks better but I'm not sure I feel it's worth the extra $$

Either way it'll need a tritium front sight (orange ring works best for my eyes) and the basic will get the round butt and maybe the Magwell.

Nice thing is I was just digging through my holster box and found a handful of compact .45 Wilson mags that I had for my Kimber Ultra Carry. Thought I had sold them with the gun, glad I didn't!
You don't want 10mm for anything, top end .45 super exceeds it and you can run it easily in a comped gun with great effect and still have the ability to shoot cheaper .45 ammo. 10mm is a lot of expense for no gain over a .45 chambered gun
Yeah, I don't have experience with .45 super or Rowland, I do have experience with 10mm and loading for it, but that's a fair point.

And since you are familiar with it (and a proponent, IIRC) with one of these comped guns, how much more modification would hot Super take? Just springs, are those even needed with the comp?

I wouldn't mess with it with the compact but if I do like it a lot, a full size comp is probably in the future and that might be a nice consideration over my woods 10mm 1911.
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Thanks! I'll for sure keep that in mind
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