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#1 ·
I am only allowed to carry handguns and due numerous bandits in my area, i am wondering can a handgun serve as proper defense to people with rifles?

While you were at service, did you use your handgun against threats with high power rifle?

Can you win? Can you properly defend yourself? What is the best tactic to fight a better equipped threat.
 
#35 ·
I agree what I am speaking of would not look factory fresh. I would say it definitely would not "have to" be crude(depending of course on your definition.) Those I speak of are not primitive and would be able to make a quality product that would get the job done, in this specific case, for a whole lot less than a specialty shop(not talking the glass here.)

I do not have an answer for the glass but the armor to stop some rifle rounds from some primitive road side bandits would not have to be much. Target style steel plate would get the job done. Remember we are not talking of stopping the vehicles here. Just something to stand up to fire as they run them down in the road.:D

I mostly agree with you; as I stated in the last post I am assuming this man has property and hence some money and resources available to him. I may be wrong and in such a case my advice would be worthless. If he does though, it would not take a military budget nor said equipment to put a hurt on these so called bandits. Simply a proper investment of time, connections, energy and a limited supply of money.
 
#36 ·
Stopping kidnaps and ransoms by bandits.....

Bandits are like cockroaches.....you don't need to avoid them, you need to eradicate every one of them......

You don't want to wait for them to attack you.....they will have the element of surprise.....

You don't want to be stuck in a vehicle trying to exit.....they will have surrounded you......

You don't want to be forced to defend yourself with only two people in the vehicle with pistol caliber cartridges, even from an UZI!

The best approach, if possible, is to track them down and either kill them or bring them to justices.......

You know what the problem is.....you need to take offensive steps to eliminate the problem......not wait to be kidnapped and possibly killed trying to defend yourself....!:eek:
 
#38 ·
please move you and your family to America. we desperately need people like you who are so dedicated in running a business ,to feed your family, that you willingly risk your life to do so. i compare this to many Americans hardly lifting a finger and calling it work.
you inspire me to work harder at my own business. bless you and be safe.
 
#41 ·
You cannot "take the fight to them"

There IS NO "them" They don't display as to who they are or wear uniforms.

The only way to do a pre-emptive attack would be to kill every male between the ages of 16 and 40 in the province.

& that would just be a start. Same reason we cant just kill all the Taliban, all the ISIS members, or the Viet Cong.

Now you CAN kill all the members of a UNIFORMED legit military company. We did that in WW2 & it was done to us too.

But a bunch of students, cabbies, body shop workers & farmers that part-time as bandits in street clothing is not possible to suppress.

Yes, you can act on dubious & questionable Street Intel at the peril of killing innocents.

But at that point you may be killing a dozen innocent people in a useless attempt to save your own single pathetic hide.

So...... who's the Bad Guy now?
 
#42 ·
desmodromic, for home security, is it feasible to clear tree's and other foliage away from the house at least 200 meters. Give yourself a little cushion zone. And your only other option might be to write to every politician both in your county and the U.S. and complain often, same goes for media, find some reporters from the U.S. that might be willing to do a story on these bandits. Good luck sir.
 
#43 · (Edited)
I'm flabbergasted by some of the "advice " in this thread. If four of the OPs personal friends have been kidnapped, there is only one sane piece of advice; move.

There are countries in the world where you don't need an Uzi and 3 pipehittters on your daily commute. Move to one of them. If your business is worth more than your life, I'd re-evaluate your priorities. Pride comes before the fall.

You don't have to be a soldier or a cop to give common sense advice. If someone is living in a situation where they need to constantly defend themselves against 5-6 armed gunmen, I'd say they are doomed to failure if their plan is to ask advice on an internet gun forum...:scratch: you need to hire the Three Amigos to defend the village of Santa Poco. And that suggestion is as valuable as most of the others.;)
 
#44 ·
magazineman,very good point. To go on the offensive as I as I stated would be solely on the word of community as to who the bandits are. That intel is rife with error and abuse. The only option as I see it is, as stated, to travel in convoy with designated shooters. My post was formed with organized and well armed individuals in mind,something the OP does not have. I formulate from a sergeants mindset,not trained at the war college. I think unless he can organize the community to defend themselves,his best option is to plan an exit from an untenable situation. Live to fight another day
 
#45 ·
Bandits in the Phillipines.....

The only way to do a pre-emptive attack would be to kill every male between the ages of 16 and 40 in the province.
I believe there are other means....confidential informants and a Philippines native willing to infiltrate the bandit organization would be a start in the right direction...... Having good intelligence is key to finding the local bandits. Once the bandits are either captured or killed, it may send a message to others thinking about kidnapping people to extort ransom money.....

The current method of kidnapping people and gaining/meeting ransom demands only re-enforces the bandits behavior so they feel they can operate with impunity..... As I stated in a previous post, IMHO, it is best to move....but if moving is not an option, fight to eradicate the bandits.....the bandits will not stop as long as they are successful.....
 
#46 ·
Man, I wish we knew more about the OP situation and why he can't leave? I agree with the ones on here questioning why a free person allowed to move about (non-military) is willing to put themselves and their family at risk by staying in an area where being kidnapped on a daily basis is a real possibility!

MOVE!!!!
 
#47 ·
It seems as if the OP isn't looking for the best solution, but rather the easiest solution, or simply the one he wants to hear. I can't imagine, under the circumstances and limitations he has described, that I would be staying and waiting my turn.

Good luck, OP, and I hope you prevail when they come for you.
 
#49 ·
Even if you had a rifle too, there's little chance you will prevail against multiple attackers also armed with rifles that have you in the kill zone of a planned ambush.

Now if you had some sort of armored conveyance with a remote controlled belt feld you might stand a chance.

Otherwise, travel in a convoy with multiple armed escort vehicles.


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#50 ·
You have my sympathy my friend. I have several Filipino friends and have a fairly good idea of what you are talking about and the obstacles that you face in your environment.

As said many times, a handgun against rifles is almost always a losing proposition. It is better than a sharp stick, but nothing like a reasonable ticket to survival. The UZI will help, but honestly, if there is one of you and a number of them, the odds are still heavily in their favor.

I know that you probably are not in a position to buy armored cars, platoons of mercenarys and all of the other stuff that has been suggested. I think that the odds might tilt a little further in your favor if you, and maybe your driver, could arm themselves with 12 gauge shotguns with rifle sights and slugs. The guns usually can be had for not a lot of money. Armscor, a company local to you, puts out an M5 pump shotgun that is very budget priced here. By all reports, they are very usable shotguns. A couple of these shotguns should be very affordable for you, and with the right sights and slugs will put you on a pretty much even footing with your attackers at ranges out to a hundred yards. If you hit one, they will most likely stay down, too.
 
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