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Old 03-18-2020, 08:54 AM
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Mauser Bonanza

I scored some nice Mausers.
A guy was selling off a collection for a deceased friend's widow.

1. 1901 Carl Gustaf M96, All matching, w/bayonet
2. 1908 Brazilian M98, Matching bolt and bottom metal.
3. 1937 VZ-24 M98, Matching bolt
4. 1942 Husq. M38, All matching
5. 1947 Arg. M98 Carbine, All matching, w/bayonet

I didn't actually steal them, but it was close...
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Old 03-18-2020, 02:26 PM
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So tell us.

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I scored some nice Mausers.
A guy was selling off a collection for a deceased friend's widow.

1. 1901 Carl Gustaf M96, All matching, w/bayonet
2. 1908 Brazilian M98, Matching bolt and bottom metal.
3. 1937 VZ-24 M98, Matching bolt
4. 1942 Husq. M38, All matching
5. 1947 Arg. M98 Carbine, All matching, w/bayonet

I didn't actually steal them, but it was close...
Are you proud of yourself for ripping the lady off?
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Old 03-18-2020, 05:38 PM
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Are you proud of yourself for ripping the lady off?
Maybe he is. Be careful he may come over and kick your dog later

In all fairness there is a fine line between getting a good deal and stealing. If you walked into your LGS and they had a used xyz gun priced way below market value would you whip out the plastic or question the price?

More info is needed on purchase price before we light the flame throwers.

OP if you did take advantage of a little old lady then that is between you and God.
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Old 03-18-2020, 07:12 PM
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Maybe the alleged cheat is on "a guy," not the buyer.
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Old 03-18-2020, 07:24 PM
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Kind of comparing apples to Oranges here Scuba.

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In all fairness there is a fine line between getting a good deal and stealing. If you walked into your LGS and they had a used xyz gun priced way below market value would you whip out the plastic or question the price?

More info is needed on purchase price before we light the flame throwers.

OP if you did take advantage of a little old lady then that is between you and God.
The guy running a gun store is expected to know what guns are worth. Not much of a business man if he does not. As far as lighting the flamethrower. The OP did that with his first post.

"I didn't actually steal them, but it was close..."

That is a pretty telling statement if you ask me.
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Old 03-18-2020, 07:43 PM
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A few years ago I was at my favorite LGS. All the clerks knew me and one approached me and asked if I would be interested in a 6" Model 27. I assured him that I might depending on condition. He brought the gun out and it was like new. I asked him how much? Since the gun was not on the California Roster the GS could not take the gun in trade so the clerk was just acting as a middleman. The clerk said that the owner would be happy with $200. Now I apologize but I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. I paid the $200 gave the clerk a $25 thank you and I still own the 27. I'm sorry but I don't believe it is incumbent on me to advise a seller what market is on a gun I am attempting to purchase. I have a list of all my firearms with serial numbers and current market values for my wife. In the event that I precede her she will have a solid idea of what she should expect for my collection. Not the Op's responsibility to advise the seller what she should be selling the collection for. JMHO
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Old 03-18-2020, 08:36 PM
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You are essentially correct.

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Not the Op's responsibility to advise the seller what she should be selling the collection for. JMHO
But there is a difference between offering or not offering advice, Verses just taking advantage of somebody.

In this case somebody is clearly behaving in an unscrupulous fashion. "Selling for the widow of a friend." This implies a minimum of trust likely the widow trusting the actual seller (the friend). Or the actual seller being just a ding dong. Either way somebody is taking advantage of somebody else. Some people are comfortable with doing that, some not so much.
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Old 03-18-2020, 09:18 PM
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But there is a difference between offering or not offering advice, Verses just taking advantage of somebody.

In this case somebody is clearly behaving in an unscrupulous fashion. "Selling for the widow of a friend." This implies a minimum of trust likely the widow trusting the actual seller (the friend). Or the actual seller being just a ding dong. Either way somebody is taking advantage of somebody else. Some people are comfortable with doing that, some not so much.
Enough said
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Old 03-19-2020, 08:23 AM
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I scored some nice Mausers.
A guy was selling off a collection for a deceased friend's widow.

1. 1901 Carl Gustaf M96, All matching, w/bayonet
2. 1908 Brazilian M98, Matching bolt and bottom metal.
3. 1937 VZ-24 M98, Matching bolt
4. 1942 Husq. M38, All matching
5. 1947 Arg. M98 Carbine, All matching, w/bayonet

I didn't actually steal them, but it was close...
Please post some pics of the Mausers. I would love to see them!
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Old 03-19-2020, 06:04 PM
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Please post some pics of the Mausers. I would love to see them!
Why? So more a$$-hats can accuse me of ripping off an old lady?
Amazing how certain they are that something went south without knowing the details or the actual prices I paid.
I thought there would be some general interest...
Didn't expect to get accused of ripping someone off.
Should have checked here first and got the prices OK'd by the forum members?
Unbelievable.
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Old 03-19-2020, 07:03 PM
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Mitchell Mausers is the thief of the used Mauser world, if someone picked up some honest wartime curios and relics for a fair price there is no issue...you know, about half of what Mitchell sells for.

The problem I have is with pawn shops and LGS's that rip sellers (including widows) off by the thousands only paying 50% of the street value of any given gun and then charging 10% over fair market value for them.
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Old 03-19-2020, 09:45 PM
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Why? So more a$$-hats can accuse me of ripping off an old lady?
Amazing how certain they are that something went south without knowing the details or the actual prices I paid.
I thought there would be some general interest...
Didn't expect to get accused of ripping someone off.
Should have checked here first and got the prices OK'd by the forum members?
Unbelievable.
"I didn't actually steal them, but it was close..."

Your words, not sure why you're complaining.
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Old 03-19-2020, 09:52 PM
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Funny that you did not mention it.

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Why? So more a$$-hats can accuse me of ripping off an old lady?
Amazing how certain they are that something went south without knowing the details or the actual prices I paid.
I thought there would be some general interest...
Didn't expect to get accused of ripping someone off.
Should have checked here first and got the prices OK'd by the forum members?
Unbelievable.
That it was an "old lady" in your first post.

Too bad! Old people get ripped off all of the time.
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:32 AM
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Why? So more a$$-hats can accuse me of ripping off an old lady?
Amazing how certain they are that something went south without knowing the details or the actual prices I paid.
I thought there would be some general interest...
Didn't expect to get accused of ripping someone off.
Should have checked here first and got the prices OK'd by the forum members?
Unbelievable.
I AM interested!!...guess there won't be any pics from OP then...
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Old 03-20-2020, 08:42 AM
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Here I was excited to see P08s, Broomhandles, etc. and all I got was drama
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Old 03-20-2020, 09:59 PM
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I guess that you are right.

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Here I was excited to see P08s, Broomhandles, etc. and all I got was drama
At least as much as you might consider somebody ripping off an older widow to be dramatic. Unfortunately it happens all too often.
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Old 03-21-2020, 06:56 AM
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At least as much as you might consider somebody ripping off an older widow to be dramatic. Unfortunately it happens all too often.
Yeah, that sucks.
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Old 03-21-2020, 10:42 AM
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The OP probably paid what the LGS or pawn shop would have given the woman so the only rip off was that the middleman and government didn't get their pound of flesh in the deal. I have no heartburn over that at all...

Heck, they don't even all have matching numbers!
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Old 03-21-2020, 04:21 PM
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Your money, your business. I personally wouldn't recommend bragging about preying on an old lady's ignorance. I suppose her deceased husband is partly at fault for not telling her the value of the guns before he died.

Enjoy your rifles. This is a gun website, afterall. Whether certain transactions are ethical or not is entirely up to you.
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Old 03-21-2020, 07:25 PM
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I wouldn’t rip off an old lady for some Mausers. On the other hand, if they were G-series FALs? Hell yeah, I’d rip off the old lady in a heartbeat.
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Old 03-21-2020, 08:35 PM
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"Close to stealing" can have different meanings, depending on the speaker/writer.

Without knowing more, I wouldn't be too quick to pre-judge; but yet I also totally understand those who quickly formed a negative view of the circumstances.

Ethics are sometimes defined as doing the right thing even when no one else sees, knows, etc. Here, especially without more details, it might be difficult to fairly know whether a line has been crossed (even that line itself is obviously subjective).

But if the subject person thinks to himself, "Wow, I really got away with something there; what good fortune it was that they were so clueless", then this is venturing into territory that most students of ethics/philosophy or theology would consider dubious. As when Cain asked: "Am I my brother's keeper?". On the other hand, protocols in the NFL are typically accepting (and expecting) of play-acting if it allows a player/team to get away with a blown official's call. But that's the NFL, where that's the protocol; not an elderly widow. So, "it depends".

All in all, this is a lesson in word selection, at minimum. "Steal" in conjunction with "widow", with "bonanza" also tossed in, immediately creates a certain imagery in most people's minds. It's obvious, even more so in hindsight.

Good that a number of Forum members obviously believe there exists some ethical responsibility in a transaction where the other party has little knowledge of the firearms involved. That speaks well of Forum members, even if it's just a small sample.
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Old 03-21-2020, 09:58 PM
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Everybody is certainly entitled to their own opinion on this.

I have explained mine, and I stand by it. I am done here.

Linguistics notwithstanding, I can see brutality however it presents itself.

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Old 03-21-2020, 11:58 PM
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I have explained mine, and I stand by it. I am done here.

Linguistics notwithstanding, I can see brutality however it presents itself.
My intuition is that this seems very close -- too close -- to what occurred. It has that same feel to me.

But I'm aware of risks of going from intuition to judgement. One feels and senses something, but is it beyond reasonable doubt; could my intuition be wrong?

Other than allowing myself a window of caution, of possible misjudgment, I see it the same as I think you're seeing it.
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:01 AM
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Let it suffice to say.

That I brook no tolerance for predators. However they choose to manifest themselves. Additionally those that would seek to benefit themselves at the expense of elderly, and or other groups of people that might have marginal resources insofar as protecting themselves. I am inclined to view these animals with a special brand of contempt. Just sayin!
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Old 03-22-2020, 01:17 AM
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I scored some nice Mausers.
A guy was selling off a collection for a deceased friend's widow.

1. 1901 Carl Gustaf M96, All matching, w/bayonet
2. 1908 Brazilian M98, Matching bolt and bottom metal.
3. 1937 VZ-24 M98, Matching bolt
4. 1942 Husq. M38, All matching
5. 1947 Arg. M98 Carbine, All matching, w/bayonet

I didn't actually steal them, but it was close...

He bought them from someone selling them for the widow. Who knows what the widow knew or said about the guns?

My wife has a pretty good idea of what my gunís are worth; that coupled with at least 4 friends willing enough the come to Texas and help her sell them off and get good money for them.
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