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Old 10-14-2019, 02:27 PM
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Speaking about Winchester White Box...

I recently saw a thread on here about WWB, so I wanted to chime in regarding my recent range experience with my RIA 1911 .45 ACP (check it out in the 'Range Reports' forum).

In my haste to get organized, grab everything, and head out the door, believe it or not, I stupidly forgot my ammo bag! So, I showed up to the indoor range with everything BUT ammo! No big deal, right? All ranges have multiple calibers of ammo behind the counter. Well, for .45 ACP all they had was WWB. No biggie, I've shot it many times before and had no problems.

...HOWEVER...

Does anyone know if Winchester changed the recipe or powder or something? The common 230gr FMJ ball ammo that everyone's grandpa has used, suddenly is extremely filthy! My RIA shot the 50 round box, but you could tell that by the last mag, my RIA was NOT happy!

It took me forever to get all that {expletive} out of my beautiful RIA! Nasty black soot was flippin' everywhere!

Anyone have the same experience? I know it's bargain ammo, but, WOW! I won't be shooting it anytime soon, after this experience!
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:38 PM
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Meh... it's BRASS-cased. I can fix "dirt." Broken extractors... not so much.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:54 PM
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True... Dirty ammo is dirty ammo. Just takes a lot longer to clean the crud out of everything. All I know is that for some reason, WWB is now nasty!

The best 230gr ball ammo that I have used is Fiocchi. Incredibly clean ammo and a little pricey, it was almost close to Match Grade. Great stuff!
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:55 PM
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I've used wwb in my guns for so long I cant remember when I started doing so.... I don't recall ever having a problem with a gun that was ammo based with wwb in 9mm, .45acp, .32acp, .380acp, .38spl. .44mag, or .357mag.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:17 PM
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IMO WWB in 9mm or .45 ACP is mostly unremarkable range ammo which is not a bad thing.
When I shot my 10mm for the first time it was with WWB. My first thought was what is the big deal about 10mm? This is nothing special.
Then I loaded some good Hornady ammo. Yeah baby! Even Winchester Silvertip has some oomph.
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:17 PM
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What I can't believe is the people who spend thousands of dollars on a pistol, and then put cheapo ammo in it? WTH are you thinking?
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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@slayer61

I know what you mean, but in my case (as I wrote above), I had forgotten my range bag, and the only .45 ACP ammo the range had was WWB. I don't if it was old stuff or new stuff, but it was seriously dirty!
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Old 10-14-2019, 06:33 PM
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What I can't believe is the people who spend thousands of dollars on a pistol, and then put cheapo ammo in it? WTH are you thinking?
I'm thinking my gun is only 1/3 the cost of the ammo that has gone through it.......steel case allows way more practice.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:07 PM
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I use WWB to test new handguns. If a pistol can run WWB, it'll run anything.
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:35 PM
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I think every cheap ammo I've used is dirty, they must cut costs by cutting the powder with dirt. But in truth every time I tried WWB I found it to be less accurate than others in the cheap realm and it's not as cheap.
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:49 PM
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231 or HP38 is quite dirty at medium and lower charge levels...(even USPSA Major loads make my pistols quite dirty in 150-200 rounds...)

TItegroup is 10x cleaner...maybe more. (I'll bet I could shoot 1000 rounds with TG and still have a cleaner pistol)
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:32 AM
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The Winchester ammo of today is utter garbage compared to the quality of days gone by. You used to be able to count on this stuff to be top quality. Those that say it is perfectly fine just donít know any better, itís all they shoot in some cases. Grab one box of PMC Bronze (cheaper) and you will be amazed. White Box has been run through a ton of tests by folks on this forum with dismal results. Extreme velocity difference in one box of up to 200 FPS?? No thanks, you can take out your own trash!
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:34 AM
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In my experience, Remington is also very dirty.
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:49 PM
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Shooting by nature is a dirty hobby. To a paraphrase a famous saying; "one man's dirty firearm is another man's clean firearm".

Now for reloaders if you change your recipe for 38 Special or 45 ACP from Bullseye to BE-86 you will note it is cleaner.
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:00 PM
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maybe some are confusing the ammo liking as if it were to be used in bullseye completions or something. for punching paper and steel plates I find wwb more than accurate enough and the dirtiness never bothered me because I clean my guns after shooting them no matter what ammo I use. for the price its good stuff for the intended uses [that I've used it for]. if there was another brand that cost as little or was the same I'd buy it without second thought, after all its for shooting fun not trophy seeking.
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Old 10-15-2019, 05:45 PM
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I use WWB to test new handguns. If a pistol can run WWB, it'll run anything.
This^^^^^^^^^
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Old 10-15-2019, 06:50 PM
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Factory ammo is awful today. ALL of it. You can reload much better ammo for much less and it won't burn like charcoal and leave lots of unburned crud in your gun.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:47 PM
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Not all factory ammo. There is some amazing, top quality, stuff out there in .45 ACP but you will pay a pretty penny for it.
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Old 10-15-2019, 10:58 PM
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230 gr JHP in the white box are my CCW. I haven't noticed any problems with them, unlike the WWB Value Pack FMJs.
But then the JHPs are nearly $40/box. Accurate, and they 'sroom just fine.
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:34 AM
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maybe some are confusing the ammo liking as if it were to be used in bullseye completions or something. for punching paper and steel plates I find wwb more than accurate enough and the dirtiness never bothered me because I clean my guns after shooting them no matter what ammo I use. for the price its good stuff for the intended uses [that I've used it for]. if there was another brand that cost as little or was the same I'd buy it without second thought, after all its for shooting fun not trophy seeking.
I guess thatís kinda the argument. Steel plates, paint cans and 5Ē paper targets are fine if thatís what you are after. You want another brand thatís far superior and comparable in price? Try PMC, no, I donít work for them. WWB is fine for the occasional shooter that just wants to kick up some dirt and make noise, thatís what itís made for. Ever shoot really crappy 22 ammo? If you do a little shopping around, you will quickly find some for around the same price that is much better. There are far better alternatives in that price point.
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:42 AM
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230 gr JHP in the white box are my CCW. I haven't noticed any problems with them, unlike the WWB Value Pack FMJs.
But then the JHPs are nearly $40/box. Accurate, and they 'sroom just fine.
Ughhh, what in the world?
Please go to SG Ammo and buy a box of 50 Federal HST 230 grn HP.
Ten times the quality and $30.95 a box. This is not even a close comparison. Winchester PDX1 is even cheaper than that by far.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:46 PM
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Ughhh, what in the world?
Please go to SG Ammo and buy a box of 50 Federal HST 230 grn HP.
Ten times the quality and $30.95 a box. This is not even a close comparison. Winchester PDX1 is even cheaper than that by far.
Can't buy on line any more. It's a CA thing now.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:37 AM
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JHC, I keep forgetting about those of you behind enemy lines. Well, at least we know you will get your Red Cross package. Sorry buddy.....
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:54 AM
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Can't buy on line any more. It's a CA thing now.

That's not entirely true. We can buy on line & have it shipped to an licensed ammo dealer for transfer to us peons..... for a fee of course.
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Old 10-18-2019, 07:26 AM
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Sure, ďa feeĒ. Thatíll get you to the $40 a box for WWB HP nonsense. Iím sure the crime rate has plummeted in CA since the new laws went into effect....
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